Mike Miron

[shoebag2000]

Is anybody sick of this guy? I don't really know how good he is in Canada, but in the NLL, he pisses me off a LOT. When he was on the Sting, he blew I don't know how many games, and in the season opener, he totally blew it for Rochester. I hate his style play (I like to call it chug n' shrug), how he just stands and shrugs, and pretty much anybody can beat him one on one. Don't get me wrong, when he is having a good day, its a good day, but otherwise, its infuriating. He is just way to inconsistent.

Thoughts?

[RockStar]

I've scored on him. You folks can decide for yourself what that means about his talent. :agree:

Anyway, he is what he is.

He's not an NLL starter anymore.

He's not on the the same level as say a Dietrich, or a Cosmo,

He's a backup, and he's certainly not the worst one of those in the NLL!

[shoebag2000]

Haha, aren't u a goalie?

Yeah, I guess he isn't the worst backup, I just get so mad sometimes because it seems like he lets the easy shots in without trying.

[RockStar]

Haha, aren't u a goalie?....

No, I mostly play (poorly and lazily) as a runner :grin:

The handful of times I've played goal have been great comic relief for all involved.

[laxcanada]

he was ok i think it was 2 years ago when the sting got to the finals against toronto but after that he started getting bad

[BClax17]

It was a great move to get him out of the desert. Arizona has Attwood and Atherton to look forward to in the future so Blasdell just has to keep it up until one of these guys gets going.

[RockfordAttack9]

I agree with Miron being very inconsistent in goal, but come on, did anyone see the game Saturday night? After the third quarter, Rochester's D (not including Miron) looked very slugglish. Sure Miron let in some outside shots that could've been easy saves, but the Defensemen have to help out too.

[redbirds07]

well pat o'toole let in 5 goals in about 6 minutes. . and miron let 15 by him in almost a whole game. . and since he backed up in the game saturday, id say he didnt do too bad. . and he was left out to dry for pretty much the whole fourth quarter. . a 5 minute high sticking penalty in the nll swings momentum the other way completely and colorado got 2 off that. . which burried roch's chances of getting anything going. . a little off topic there but i dont think he blew the game for them he just wasnt getting the right bounces.

[perfektspace]

The Rochester/Colorado opener had some of the worst goaltending I have seen in a long time. Only Levis looked like a pro. They said o'toole had the flu so I will give him a pass but Nash and especially Miron were horrible.

I saw Miron play in Rochester last year and he let in some real softies. In particular a five hole goal off a weak shot that basically ended a great comeback bid for Arizona. If he isn't wedged between a 4x4 he isn't worth much. Sadly, as someone else said, he is still one of the better back ups.

[RockStar]

.............Sadly, as someone else said, he is still one of the better back ups.

That's the state of goaltending.

-Miron is one of your better backups

-Derek Collins has a job again

-Erik Miller almost had a job again.

And lots of people still think this league could expand to 16 teams, or 20.
:whyme:

[#15Roadies]

"chug n' shrug" aka angle goaltending. It is effective when it is working, just like Miron, but it takes a good D to force the shooters into the proper lanes for the goaltender to pick up. If angle goaltending is frustrating to you, then study it a little bit to see why it works.

If we want to rag on Miron for the softie outside shots, he is way better than Watson on the outside shots any given day. I have seen shots go by Watson that even RockStar could stop. :runaway: However outside shots are an angle goalies bread and butter so they got to stop them.

Oh well, is Tiny simply back-up material? I dunno about that quite yet...

[RockStar]

.........I have seen shots go by Watson that even RockStar could stop. :runaway:.........

Apparently, you've never seen me play goal.

I couldn't stop a beach ball thrown by a three year old girl :agree:

[dougm]

the era of reflex goaltending is passe and really only nick patterson plays an eliuk style. i've gone from watching dallas eliuk to matt roik and their styles could not differ more. i'm not overly thrilled having roik but to be fair a reflex goalie that gets burned looks alot better than an angle goalie that gets burned - "hey at least he was trying" v "the dumbass didn't even bother trying move"

[shoebag2000]

"chug n' shrug" aka angle goaltending. It is effective when it is working, just like Miron, but it takes a good D to force the shooters into the proper lanes for the goaltender to pick up. If angle goaltending is frustrating to you, then study it a little bit to see why it works.

If we want to rag on Miron for the softie outside shots, he is way better than Watson on the outside shots any given day. I have seen shots go by Watson that even RockStar could stop. :runaway: However outside shots are an angle goalies bread and butter so they got to stop them.

Oh well, is Tiny simply back-up material? I dunno about that quite yet...

I wasn't implying he is bad from outside shots, he is fine on those. It is inside that he sucks. By chug n' shrug, I was implying that he was just a fat guy who sits there and shrugs at the ball. It seems like his reaction speed is good, which makes him good from outside, its just his reaction time is slow, which makes him useless inside and one on one.

[laxgoalieking]

I wasn't implying he is bad from outside shots, he is fine on those. It is inside that he sucks. By chug n' shrug, I was implying that he was just a fat guy who sits there and shrugs at the ball. It seems like his reaction speed is good, which makes him good from outside, its just his reaction time is slow, which makes him useless inside and one on one.
pat o'ttole doesnt have the fastest reaction for sure nor is he skinny, yet hes the best 1 on 1 goalie in the game. before last year grant crawley sucked inside and in the minto he was one of the better inside goalies. backing up o'toole is only going to imrpve his game.

and on a side note before rbk came into the nll he wore the smalles chest pad a 1000 nll.

the nll acctualy has some good back ups
thompson
king
vinc
bold
poulin
disher/patterson
attwood/atherton

[RockStar]

.........backing up o'toole is only going to imrpve his game..........
Uh, if he gets any minutes.

Miron's seems to have won Crawley's job backing up O'Toole.

[laxgoalieking]

Uh, if he gets any minutes.

Miron's seems to have won Crawley's job backing up O'Toole.
i was talking about mirons game improving.

[#15Roadies]

I dunno about reflex goaltending being passe...maybe a short term trend, but there is a kid up here that plays a reflex style and if he continues on, he's gonna fit in somewhere...

[titans 43]

is it jsut me or do angle goalies have no spot in the larger nets of the nll?
I'll give miron credit for beign pretty much the only pure angle goalie in the nll, and inside shots are tough for an angle goalie to stop, because think about it, the shooter is comign in fast and as an angle goalie you're pretty much at the top of the crease for the otuside shot, and anyone can run forward faster than a goalei can backwards giving the shooter a very high percentage pass, in the summer leagues I bet he is a great goalie tho without the rules that make the nll more offensive

[boxlaxman]

is it jsut me or do angle goalies have no spot in the larger nets of the nll?
I'll give miron credit for beign pretty much the only pure angle goalie in the nll, and inside shots are tough for an angle goalie to stop, because think about it, the shooter is comign in fast and as an angle goalie you're pretty much at the top of the crease for the otuside shot, and anyone can run forward faster than a goalei can backwards giving the shooter a very high percentage pass, in the summer leagues I bet he is a great goalie tho without the rules that make the nll more offensive

Yep..thats the case in a nutshell. For years, I have played on 4'6" nets here in DC. When I play in Baltimore in the fall, they use the 4'9" nets because many of the players are NLL guys. I took me awhile to get used to it and I finally had to go back and play on the line....

[perfektspace]

is it jsut me or do angle goalies have no spot in the larger nets of the nll?
I'll give miron credit for beign pretty much the only pure angle goalie in the nll, and inside shots are tough for an angle goalie to stop, because think about it, the shooter is comign in fast and as an angle goalie you're pretty much at the top of the crease for the otuside shot, and anyone can run forward faster than a goalei can backwards giving the shooter a very high percentage pass, in the summer leagues I bet he is a great goalie tho without the rules that make the nll more offensive

+1

All that extra net means easy pickin's for an accurate shooter in the NLL. Rochester's defense was sluggish toward the end of the game but they were limiting shots to the outside for the most part. Plus the extra movement involved with tending the larger nets force a guy the size of Miron to move more. He seem's to get really tired late in games making him even more susceptible to softies.

[Tiger_Lax_44]

I've scored on him. You folks can decide for yourself what that means about his talent. :agree:

Anyway, he is what he is.

He's not an NLL starter anymore.

He's not on the the same level as say a Dietrich, or a Cosmo,

He's a backup, and he's certainly not the worst one of those in the NLL!

LOL you have scored on him well i mean was it on a good day or bad for him i dont no much about him but i mean hes in the pros but he dosent start like you said but hey i mean if you score on a pro dude i guess youve got someting goin for ya!

[RockStar]

LOL you have scored on him well i mean was it on a good day or bad for him.......!
Both, maybe. :agree:

Miron's brother in law plays in a men's rec league near me. Last year and the year before, Miron played a few games in goal during our fall season.

One thing I can say is that he's damned tough to beat in the smaller 4x4 nets!

[ND14]

pat o'ttole doesnt have the fastest reaction for sure nor is he skinny, yet hes the best 1 on 1 goalie in the game. before last year grant crawley sucked inside and in the minto he was one of the better inside goalies. backing up o'toole is only going to imrpve his game.

and on a side note before rbk came into the nll he wore the smalles chest pad a 1000 nll.

the nll acctualy has some good back ups
thompson
king
vinc
bold
poulin
disher/patterson
attwood/atherton

Forgot Levis in there... and I'm not sure I would call either Disher or Patterson a backup, since they're both among the better goalies in the league.

[laxgoalieking]

Forgot Levis in there... and I'm not sure I would call either Disher or Patterson a backup, since they're both among the better goalies in the league.
ones gotta back up the other.

[OldPtboBoy]

Mike does not get the playing time anymore. Even in the summer here in Peterborough he was third backup to Derek Collins and Pat O'Toole. I agree with many above that he is one of the best angle goaltenders out there. But the runners are progressing at a much higher rate than backup goaltenders that don't see playing time. I don't think that there is a backup in the league that can consistently play to the level of a starter.

More than many goaltenders, Mike is "great" at what he's good at. Cutting down the angle and getting big.