LAX SCENE LEGENDS 2007

[whistleblower]

Since we will now have http://www.laxscene.com/ in 2007 we will be able to keep up with the top 10 points scorers across the country....

Lets hear some early predictions of who you think will be in the top 5 from each state...SA, WA and VIC.

Can anyone predict a young player that will make a impression in 2007??

[NJcrosse]

Since we will now have http://www.laxscene.com/ in 2007 we will be able to keep up with the top 10 points scorers across the country....

Lets hear some early predictions of who you think will be in the top 5 from each state...SA, WA and VIC.

Can anyone predict a young player that will make a impression in 2007??

Vic:
Sooty
Paul Mavrick
Gibbo
Paul Cook
Gordon Purdie
Young Player: Ted Burton

[whistleblower]

Young Player: Ted Burton - Very good....bravo... a bit of comedy, good to see.

[aussielax]

Vic: Both Stiglitch's, Danno P, Reggie.
SA: Anson Carter, James Inge
WA: Erm no idea? Nathan Roost, Dave Whiteman? are those guys even playing?

[lax.com.au]

sounds like a plan boys.... Who are the big scorers from the west?

I'm still working on getting 2006 stats from WA.

[wolves_lax 11]

sounds like a plan boys.... Who are the big scorers from the west?

I'm still working on getting 2006 stats from WA.


WA boys would possibly be Rainey, Delfs, Whiteman if he is playing, Allen, sure there are plenty more that could be named but i have missed.

i am sure the other WA boys on here would be able to name many more.

i think as far as younger guys go there will be plenty of guys pushing for a spot in the Under 19's Aussie squad that hopefully will impress.

[whistleblower]

Top 5 from Vic - considering the listed play in 2007



Goals
1. Nathan Stig
2. Dan Stig
3. J. Ardossi
4. R. Stark
5. D. Pus

Assists
1. W. Kendall
2. M. Garnsworthy
3. B. Waite
4. D. Stig
5. M. Hyde

[Devils-Advocate]

top 5 goalscorers in vic in 2007 will be d.stiglich
d.pusva
t.garnsworthy
m.garnsworthy
n.stiglich

[cannon]

Top 5 Vic Goalscorers in no particular order

N Stiglich
D Pusvacietis
M Price
A Whitbourne
R Stark

Assists

M Garnsworthy
W Kendall
J Hyde
D Stiglich
C Lander

Best Newcomer in state league:

a tie between Chris Plumb of Footscray and Rob Chamberlain of Malvern

[swankylaxer]

Best Newcomer in state league:

a tie between Chris Plumb of Footscray and Rob Chamberlain of Malvern

Not to say that Plumb or Chamberlain are not quality but I would have to say that Gene Kehoe From Surrey will be a youngin to look out for this year.

He has been the major stand out at the U19 Aus tryouts so far and I think with one year under his belt will stand up a bit more this year.

Would love to have Plumb or Chamberlain at Surrey....

[cannon]

yeah fair call swanky, but ive never seen kehoe play, i hear lots of good things both on here and elsewhere...is there a strong cohort of 17-20 year olds coming through at SP now swanky?

[swankylaxer]

Yeh Cannon, We've taken the U17's premiership the last 2 years and have some good fast players comming through to the midfield. And thnkfully some that don't mind being hit.

The plan this year is to change the culture of our S/L team and hopefully produce better and more consistant results.

[12345]

I'll have a crack at the top 5 scorers from WA (not in order):

Gareth Allen
Lewis Blackie
Alex Brown
Nathan Roost (playing for Phoenix this year)
Cam Walker

Young boys to make a splash in D1:

East Freo - Ryan Sparks (Not exactly young I know but hasn't played D1 previously)

Subiaco - Tim Chaney (This kid is one tough nugget - will give the U19s a shake)

Wembley - Ian Berry (Was the only first year D1 player to make an impact in 2006 for mine), Matt Diver (An absolute workhorse and has just about best stick skills and shot for his age going around), Stuart Bentley (Best young long stick by a long way)

Wanneroo - Blair Coggan (Best player for his age in Australia for mine), Kim Gillespie (This kid has got talent)

[aussielax]

Best Newcomer in state league:

a tie between Chris Plumb of Footscray and Rob Chamberlain of Malvern

What do you class as a "newcomer" because Rob Chamberlain has been playing SL for a few seasons now.

[cannon]

aussie, i dunno mate...maybe its a sign of age, i consider rob a kid still :)

point taken

[Corduroy]

S.Wanker,

Surrey are going to need more than young Kehoe to fire. The kid can play but the wider team need there head examined before 07 takes off. Since the mid 90's they really have underperformed at the top level, and have probably only gotten past the semi finals because of the quality of their yanks. They are aging and I can't see much changing for them.

If the runours are true, Kehoe might be running around the attack line by himself.??Yes or No. Right now their biggest gap is on the midfield. Cam Mac is aging and I havn't seen anyone being blooded to replace him.

Good luck either way mate, but I can't see much in store for the white and red.

Is Murphy coaching?

[cannon]

what are the rumours roy?

andy whit taking leave?

[Corduroy]

Heard that both A Whitbourne and Wazza may not be playing (both for different reasons). The source was drunk at the time though!

Maybe swanky could confirm or otherwise.

[swankylaxer]

Yes Murph is coaching and I am assisting, which I know some people in our S/L team wont like. But that is because there is finally someone (Murph) telling them that they can't just do what they like and they have to stay within the parameters of the team game plan. And when they did this last year they had some very good results.

Wazza is indisposed until April and could not be a part of the preseason anyway and unless he changed his attitude towards Murph I don't think he would have been part of the team. I haven't spoken to Andy Whit yet but I know he still has a bee in his bonnet over an incident at Malvern last year. I will hopefully talk to him next week and I'll let you know for sure. Another problem we might have is Ben Waite, who was also in good form last year before breaking his thumb and missing the finals. We don't know what his plans are either.

Your right Roy they haven't performed for a long time and part of the problem is the culture of the team. Our plan is to change this culture and get everyone to listen to the Coach and implement the game plan.

Young players we are looking to get more out of are Gene and Darcy Kier and players to be brought up into S/L are Mike Todor, Luke Andrew Arthur, Josh Oniel and Phil Skiller. Phil will be the future replacement for Cam Mac and has some very big shoes to Phil and alot of improvement to do.

Nick Leguen has told me he intends on playing State again this year and has his enthusiasm for the game back. So he will be a big plus to our midfield.

Tell us Roy (if you are who I think you are); are the rumours about you not playing this year true?

[Corduroy]

Rumours, Rumours, Rumours!!

Definately playing mate, but getting married in April and OS for 3 weeks, so i'll miss the start of the season. No matter though I'll be back fresh and ready to go.

If what you say is true Swanky, then that is a good thing for you blokes, but I think most of the issue is between the ears and the lack of ability to win the big games. We know it and we have used it to our advantage over the years.

Thanks for the detailed plan of what's in store. Will be sure to relay to our boys. I can just see them shaking in their cleats.

Peace
Roy.

[swankylaxer]

Yeh I agree Roy there is a major mental block first when it comes to winning against Willi and Eltham and second in finals.

We believe that some of it can be solved easily and that's what we will aim for this year. If it turns out to be a year of restructure then we will live with it. But something has to change and we feel better to do it now than to waite until our successful U17's full into the same habbits.

Congrats and Good luck for the wedding.

[whistleblower]

It will not hurt SP to have a rebuilding year....Eltham played 40 players in S/L in 2003 and finished 3rd our worst finish in 6 years. However it created the stepping stone to winning the flag the following year and removing that mental block!

[cannon]

bingo whistleblower.

[swankylaxer]

It will not hurt SP to have a rebuilding year....Eltham played 40 players in S/L in 2003 and finished 3rd our worst finish in 6 years. However it created the stepping stone to winning the flag the following year and removing that mental block!

Couldn't agree more

[cannon]

Swanky,

News from A Whit?

[swankylaxer]

Swanky,

News from A Whit?

I haven't been able to catch up with Andy yet, but I spoke to Murph and Andy has been in contact with him and it looks like he will play. I will attempt to get in touch with him still.

I did meet up with Nick Leguen and he is definately a changed man and will be a great assett to Surrey's S/L this year.

[absent lax]

i ran into nick le guen yesterday and he was looking in some far better shape than he was when i saw him during the middle of last season.
talked briefly about lacrosse in 07 and he seemed keen enough to get out there.
i think surrey park just need to retain depth. the rate of 2nd string players to leave the club is pretty high. not sure how much you will see the likes of james robertson, scott mackinven & ben boniface running around in '07.
i believe the most important thing is a happier club culture to retain all players, not just the top team.
many state league players at surry park didn't welcome many juniors into the team except with the exclusions of ham, teese and kehoe.

[swankylaxer]

i think surrey park just need to retain depth. the rate of 2nd string players to leave the club is pretty high. not sure how much you will see the likes of james robertson, scott mackinven & ben boniface running around in '07.
many state league players at surry park didn't welcome many juniors into the team except with the exclusions of ham, teese and kehoe.
.

James is living in Bendigo so we can't do much about that, Ben is still in under 18's and both of them are goalies with no where to go. Neither of them will replace Tillo in a hurry and lets face it Ben does not have the ability to play S/L. Scott Mack is a different prospect he should be playing S/L but last year had comittments with the Army Res. So unless you know something I don't I would expect Scott to play S/L this year.

It's never going to help if we drop our Div 1 team after 1 bad year at that level either. The jump from Div 2 to S/L is to large which makes it very hard to adapt if you're only going up for a week or 2.

As for S/L players not welcoming the juniors, that is a part of the culture that I have already said that we plan to fix. There were players that didn't exactly welcome Gene last year either. The players that are doing this are the ones that will loose there spot in S/L to the juniors because they are not committed enough and/or don't have enough talent to keep there spots.

These are things that we will be looking to fix this year.

[Lax-ette]

Howdy Folks,

It's been a while - Scouting OS for the past few months with work. Looks like there is lots of the typical pre-season anticipation and predictions. Interested to read Swanky's view on the world. I thought I read he was coaching Surrey Park. Probably the only coach on the forum? Is that you Hammer? Who's likely to miss out from your S/L team. Injuries? Retirements? Etc? Do tell. Good to see your encouraging the youth, but don't discount some of your stalwarts.

[swankylaxer]

Howdy Folks,

It's been a while - Scouting OS for the past few months with work. Looks like there is lots of the typical pre-season anticipation and predictions. Interested to read Swanky's view on the world. I thought I read he was coaching Surrey Park. Probably the only coach on the forum? Is that you Hammer? Who's likely to miss out from your S/L team. Injuries? Retirements? Etc? Do tell. Good to see your encouraging the youth, but don't discount some of your stalwarts.

No I'm not Hammer and I'm Assisting Tim Murph with help from G.Fox as well.

Certainly not disounting any of the more experienced players but some of them are comming to a stage where they will have to prove themselves as the juniors start to get a run.

Wazza is not available for the preseason and does not get along with Murph at all so he is not likely to be part of the team at the start of the season. I havent spoken to Ben Waite myself, but have been told that he is thinking of not playing after breaking his thumb last year.

I have also been told that D.Whit will not be playing this year not sure why. The rest of last years squad is returning as far as I know.

There are a few of last years U17's that we want to rotate through the team and get them ready for 2008 after they finnish with U18's and year 12.

I guess we will find out which rumors are true in a couple of weeks when preseason starts.

[Devils-Advocate]

are all your old fella's playin this year at surrey, the likes of mclaughlin spreadborough and moore? or is there good youngsters coming through to replace them?

[swankylaxer]

are all your old fella's playin this year at surrey, the likes of mclaughlin spreadborough and moore? or is there good youngsters coming through to replace them?

Yeh all three are playing. No talk of retirement from any of them yet.

Other than G.Moore our defence is pretty young and talented with Ham Teese and Mckinven and Tillo in goals, so when Greg goes we should be O.K. at that end.

To replace Cam will be dificult. He has the task of teaching one of our U17's everything he knows about face off's before he retires.(whenever that is)

Spready has a few good middies comming up behind him who will hopefully help to relieve some of the workload on spready over the next few years.

[chaza]

cam has a good 5 years left in him yet and his got the goods for beyond that he's moving as good as ever and smarter to

[whistleblower]

Here are the final TOP 5 for VLA - check predicitons from before season!

Goals

N Stiglich
D Stiglich
Lander
Townley
Stark / S Menze

Assists

Dan Stiglich
Kendall
Hyde
N Stiglich
Waite

POINTS

N Stig
D Stig
Townley
Hyde
Kendall

[Pointless]

Not to say that Plumb or Chamberlain are not quality but I would have to say that Gene Kehoe From Surrey will be a youngin to look out for this year.

He has been the major stand out at the U19 Aus tryouts so far and I think with one year under his belt will stand up a bit more this year.

Would love to have Plumb or Chamberlain at Surrey....
Look going to have to disagree....

Chris plumb has to be one of the most over-rated players going around.... I dont rate Chris plumb one bit and think many other people should think the same, all this talk of him becoming the next best thing is rubbish and is just making him to big for his boots.

Their are many better up coming players that are much better then him, Including Ben Teasdale and Gene Kehoe, who deserve much more credit in the lacrosse community then then what they get.

Pointless

[hysterics]

Look going to have to disagree....

Chris plumb has to be one of the most over-rated players going around.... I dont rate Chris plumb one bit and think many other people should think the same, all this talk of him becoming the next best thing is rubbish and is just making him to big for his boots.

Their are many better up coming players that are much better then him, Including Ben Teasdale and Gene Kehoe, who deserve much more credit in the lacrosse community then then what they get.

Pointless

i agree with Pointless, Chris plumb is not as great as everyone says he is, for up and coming stars, surrey and eltham are the places to be looking, even malvern.

[lippylax]

There is a gun from SA, his name is Nigel Morton he is in the U/19 Aussie Squad.
He scored 42 Goals in 13 games in League.
He also made the Lacrosse SA All Star Team 2007

[laxdude136]

Look going to have to disagree....

Chris plumb has to be one of the most over-rated players going around.... I dont rate Chris plumb one bit and think many other people should think the same, all this talk of him becoming the next best thing is rubbish and is just making him to big for his boots.

Their are many better up coming players that are much better then him, Including Ben Teasdale and Gene Kehoe, who deserve much more credit in the lacrosse community then then what they get.

Pointless

i think kehoe gets his fair share of, much deserved mind you, credit

[Pointless]

i think kehoe gets his fair share of, much deserved mind you, credit

Yes, i will have to agree. But he is a much better player then some others and deserves what is said about him.

I think williamstowns will lack in the up comming skill next year to seniors as their under 18s struggled this year.

Pointless

[cannon]

Yes, i will have to agree. But he is a much better player then some others and deserves what is said about him.

I think williamstowns will lack in the up comming skill next year to seniors as their under 18s struggled this year.

Pointless

True, the Willy under 18's weren't crash hot last season but Kade Robinson, David Oliverio, Jourdy Smith, Andrew Errington, Myles Stack will all be better players for having played state league this season. And i think most of the team goes around again next year.

Wait till the current under 16's come through though! Pikey has those kids in line.

[diggity]

it doesnt matter which players are at willy, because of their attitude and pride they never give up and somehow find a way to win. Evident in the their SL win over MCC. Great club williamstown.

[lukeoz]

great juniors don't necessarily become great seniors, and conversely some ordinary juniors have gone on to become great players ... there is a huge jump from junior to senior play and clubs could take a lot out of developing their older juniors, no matter how good they were in the underage ranks

i don't think that looking at how good an u18 side is any gauge on how their state league team will perform next year ... apart from an exceptional few, most players are well into their 20s before they become dominant players

[whistleblower]

Good point

The other problem is just because they are playing at u/18 level doesn't mean that they will continue to play seniors either.

You need a constant bunch of talent to come through each year into your senior teams.

Eltham won the u/17 premiership 10 seasons straight with retaining maybe 50% of these players who now make up s/l and div 1 respectively.

1 great junior team won't turn into gold over night!

[endoftheline]

To help bridge the gap juniors should play as much senior games as possible. 18s should train for an hour then overlap with S/L for an hour and train with them or just spend all their time training with them. All 18s should play two games each saturday and any good 16s should be playing divi 2 or 3. This preparation allows juniors to become solid state league players within 2 years not 5.
On chris plumb, he is very good and has the ability to completely dominate a game (Surrey vs Footscray Prelim). That said he's not in his own league or anything, there are plenty of other young players just as good.

[aussielax]

All 18s should play two games each saturday

Ahh in a perfect world this would happen. Until then most of the guys can't be arsed playing two games.


and any good 16s should be playing divi 2 or 3. This preparation allows juniors to become solid state league players within 2 years not 5.


And who says you have to be good, I've played seniors and juniors for the past 4 seasons and I'm not.

[Minotaur]

To help bridge the gap juniors should play as much senior games as possible. 18s should train for an hour then overlap with S/L for an hour and train with them or just spend all their time training with them. All 18s should play two games each saturday and any good 16s should be playing divi 2 or 3. This preparation allows juniors to become solid state league players within 2 years not 5.
On chris plumb, he is very good and has the ability to completely dominate a game (Surrey vs Footscray Prelim). That said he's not in his own league or anything, there are plenty of other young players just as good.

Chris Plumb is a very good player, but I have yet to see him dominate a "complete" game, (granted I have not seen him play on a week by week basis). In both Surrey Under 18 games this past season, he went missing for the second and third quarters. I know, because as the coach of Surrey's 18's, I completely forgot he was playing in those quarters. In both games he played well in the first and last quarters, the other two he dissappeared. He is exciting to watch, and hopefully will learn and grow as a senior player. Just depends on how much time he chooses to put into this sport outside the regular training and game days. Best thing about lacrosse in Australia is that players continue to mature with each year, instead of burning out in their early 20's.

[skin11]

plumb reminnds me of luke moore at the same age. capable of winning junior games of his own back. he s meant to b the next big thing to come out of doggie land but it is hard for a young fella like him to live up to the hype when the expectations are set so high. lumpy ended up a good player but didnt develop as well as expected. One thought on why is that, he achieved so much so young( 3 or 4 flags numerous state teams and U/19 aus team) that it would be hard to keep motivated when he came into a struggling stateleague side . just a thought anyway..........

[laxdude136]

chris is a pretty down to earth guy and i dont think he really cares about the hype and i dont really think he knows there is that much hype about him to be honest, he just loves that game and will continue to and i think he will be an awesome player.

[backpackersLAX]

plumb is def one of the best up-n-commers goin round, and as for all this hype as lax dude said he is really oblivious to it all. really he wouldnt know, he loves the sport n puts in the hard yards outside of training times you can really see this at all the aussie u19 trainings, if the kid misses out he'll train harder n be a good look in for the 2010 seniors. kehoe is also another one who has had in my perspective the biggest impact as a junior commin up into S/L, exciting to watch n u neva kno wat he's gonna do. keep up the work guys... any other up-n-commin juniors to look out for other than these 2? any really good goalies/defenders?

[cannon]

Robbie Otter is going to be a great defender if he keeps improving and growing like he has in the last year and a bit. Loves throwing the shoulder like his old man.

[swankylaxer]

Otter is a Champion.

[backpackersLAX]

id have to say in defence/goalie some of the players i think, will comfort, jamie stevens, rob otter, munderz....

[Cutter]

Munders will be a great defender in the future - but like all the youngsters, needs to put on some size in the gym to play with the big boys! :-)