Where should the ball be spotted on an out of bounds pass?

[LaxRef]

Just trying to get a feeling for what people think the rule should be, since there's no current rule that tells us.

The poll refers to this situation:

A1, standing at the corner of the attack area in his defensve end, throws the ball ddownfield. It breaks the plane of the sideline at midfield and touches the ground at a point out of bounds, right where the opposite restraining line would be if extended out of bounds. Where should the ball be put back into play?

[BlueJaysLaxFan]

I did not scan the thread on this, but I voted other because if the ball broke the plane OOB at midfield on the bench side during a pass, I would spot the restart 5 yards away from the benches on the side of the midfield line where the ball broke the plane. If it broke the plane OOB on the other sideline, I would spot the ball where the ball broke the plane at midfield. The only time I look at where the ball hits the ground OOB is on a shot.

[LaxRef]

I did not scan the thread on this, but I voted other because if the ball broke the plane OOB at midfield on the bench side during a pass, I would spot the restart 5 yards away from the benches on the side of the midfield line where the ball broke the plane. If it broke the plane OOB on the other sideline, I would spot the ball where the ball broke the plane at midfield. The only time I look at where the ball hits the ground OOB is on a shot.

Yeah, I was afraid someone was going to go there. Essentially, you're on the side of the "where it breaks the plane." That's the issue we're getting at here.

[Bobsch]

I put other, because I agree with BlueJaysLaxFan. Midfield, in any case.

[3rdPersonPlural]

I note that shots are restarted at the point where they crossed the line and ignore the point of landing. I just extend that reasoning to errant passes.

[C.Montgomery]

Any hidden meaning to the choice I agree with being italicized?

[laxfan25]

If we include the two "others" as agreeing with the concept of where it breaks the plane - we're getting pretty unanimous agreement!

[LaxRef]

Any hidden meaning to the choice I agree with being italicized?

Once you vote in a poll, you see your own answer italicized.

[Rule 8]

At the midfield line. It is where the ball went out, not where it lands.

You should have been taught this in the H.S class.

Once again, where do you ref?

[Longpole5435]

At the midfield line. It is where the ball went out, not where it lands.

You should have been taught this in the H.S class.

Once again, where do you ref?
Show me where in the rulebook it says that. :thinking:

[Rule 8]

2006 Rule Book

Rule 4-6

Art 2 & 3

[3rdPersonPlural]

2006 Rule Book

Rule 4-6

Art 2 & 3


Welcome to the Lacrosse Forums, where the details of rule arcana are debated.

4-6-3 -a explains that the ball shall be 'awarded at the point where it was declared out of bounds'.

Is it declared out of bounds at the point where it crossed the plane of the sidelines, or nearest the point where it lands, or wherever the official chooses to 'declare' it out of bounds?

Or something else?

Try this one on for size. Sideline scrum, and the ball is airborne beyond the sideline.

Player dives, and without touching the ground swats the ball back onto the field, but the swat actually sails the ball 20 yards down the sideline and it lands out of bound.

Where do you 'declare' the ball to be out of bounds?

Read the rule and defend your answer according to rule. Welcome to High School... :guns:





And I officiate games on the Central Coast of California. Thanks for asking.

[Snake~eyes]

I have to say where it crosses the plane.

[Zach]

Going with the spot where the ball crossed the sideline.

[DanHS]

I am not suggesting that the following is more fair than other scenarios but I think the most straightforward would be to make the spot the last place the ball was inbounds before passing over the sideline or endline.

If the problematic part of the play occurs out of bounds then the spot is the last place it was inbounds. In LaxRef's example for the poll the ball would be at midfield because it was inbounds at that point before passing over the sideline.

[LaxRef]

The problem, as people are discovering, is the difference between what makes sense and what the rules say! If you follow the logical implications of the rules, you hit a logical dead end.

I've written something up for the rulebook which I think will clear this up; I'll try to remember to post when I get back from the convention.

[3rdPersonPlural]

I say we should agree to universally 'declare' the ball to be out of bounds at the point most convenient to the official making the call.

Whatever happened to our clever new member, Rule 8?

[C.Montgomery]

I say we should agree to universally 'declare' the ball to be out of bounds at the point most convenient to the official making the call.
Do you mean at the point that will require the least running on our part? Is that sort of like on a shot OOB, tie goes to the offense because that means we don't have to run down the field?

[3rdPersonPlural]

Do you mean at the point that will require the least running on our part? Is that sort of like on a shot OOB, tie goes to the offense because that means we don't have to run down the field?

Unless you're an exercise fanatic like LaxRef, in which case the rule as written enables him to 'declare' the ball out of bounds at the far end of the field.

Restarts for shots are pretty well limited to the point where the ball crossed the end or side line, so our 'declaration' is limited in that case.

Around here volleyball officials get paid more than lax officials, so I am lobbying for us to be expected to work from a barcalounger on a small tower placed where the midfield line meets the sideline. This will obviously increase our importance to the safety of the players, and this value added will be reflected in our compensation packages.

Under these circumstances, I would opt to declare all possible restarts to happen at my feet. :DOH:

[C.Montgomery]

...so I am lobbying for us to be expected to work from a barcalounger on a small tower placed where the midfield line meets the sideline.

You've got to think bigger and better. We should work from a climate-controlled box, elevated and isolated, and the only people with access will be officials and our wait staff—any calls will be made via the PA system. Although not a bacalounger, I have seen Old Geezer sitting in a chair on the field, and I was amazed that the chair didn't crumble under his weight.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Now you're thinkin, Monty!:thumbsup:

[Rule 8]

To my friend in California,

According to LaxRef, the ball touches the ground at a point out of bounds, therefore the ball is now dead ( an out of bounds ball).

In your scenario, I would place it at the spot the ball left the field once it became an out of bounds ball.

Great question. It should be on a test.

[3rdPersonPlural]

In your scenario, I would place it at the spot the ball left the field once it became an out of bounds ball.


I'm starting a new thread on this question