Goalie Interference Question

[eme]

NCAA rules
Team A clearing the ball in its defensive end with defenseman A1 with ball in the alley.
He throws a pass to the Goalie A2 in the crease. While ball is in flight, B1 pokes A2's stick yet A2 still catches the ball. Official has signaled "Play-on" and then drops his arm as the clear continues up the field.
Official comes into table area and Coach A says, "That should have been a flag down for interfering with the goalie when we had possession outside the crease!!"

And you say...?

[CardinalPuff]

"sorry coach, ball is not 'in possession' while in flight. good try."

[eme]

I edited the first situation to make it harder

[goalie1215]

thats a penalty. it has happened to me. a defender was playing attack and he was over aggressive and checked my stick while i was in the crease trying to receive a pass.

[laxfan25]

Well IMM, if the goalie had his stick extended outside the crease cylinder, and the check was made on that portion outside the cylinder and when it was within five yards of the pass - I would question the play-on, let alone any penalty call.

4.18 c. Any portion of the crosse of the goalkeeper extended outside the
cylinder of the crease area, but not the goalkeeper’s body, is subject to
being checked under the same circumstances as the crosse of any other
player, except when the ball is in the crosse.

Since he didn't have possession - where's the foul?

[LaxRef]

NCAA rules
Team A clearing the ball in its defensive end with defenseman A1 with ball in the alley.
He throws a pass to the Goalie A2 in the crease. While ball is in flight, B1 pokes A2's stick yet A2 still catches the ball. Official has signaled "Play-on" and then drops his arm as the clear continues up the field.
Official comes into table area and Coach A says, "That should have been a flag down for interfering with the goalie when we had possession outside the crease!!"

And you say...?

"Coach, the ball was in team possession but not player possession. But I admire your study of the rules, and the rules could be clearer on this point."

[eme]

This is the wording I tried to change last year. Page 37 (g) "A ball in flight from one teammate to another is a ball in possession if the ball is caught by the teammate"

I tried to add the word "team" before the word "possession" above.

Tie this to page 52 ar 92: "Defensive team with possession outside the crease area. Offensive team steps into the crease OR INTERFERES WITH GOALIE WHO IS IN THE CREASE . Ruling: Flag down. Technical foul.

Attackman running thru the crease while the defense has the ball is what I think of for the first part of this AR. But I scratch my head trying to think of a situation of "interfering with the goalie who is in the crease" while defensive team has possession outside the crease. Poking his stick while receiving a pass is all I could come up with.

My point(s) in all this is two fold:
1. The two rules seems to contradict each other
2. I have a hard time thinking of a case of goalie interference in the above (if he ran into the goalie in the crease...he'd be in the crease which is covered by the first part of the AR.

[LaxRef]

2. I have a hard time thinking of a case of goalie interference in the above (if he ran into the goalie in the crease...he'd be in the crease which is covered by the first part of the AR.

Here's how I think of it:

B2 has possession in the alley. GK B1 is in his crease, and A1 checks his stick. A1 hass interfered with the goalie in his crease but has not committed a crease violation. Granted, this is garden-variety interference, not GK interference, as defined by the rules, but it meets the statutory requirements.

I have never seen this in a game. I have, of course, seen the crease violation with possession outside the crease, though.