Top 2007 NFL Draft Picks

[laycrosse]

Who do you thinkwill be the most succesful rookie draft pick in the 2007 nfl football season.

[jk20jk20]

dude this season isnt even over yet

[laycrosse]

dude this season isnt even over yet
The best "INCOMING" draft pick for the NEXT season, 2007, Nation Football League

[northshorelax3]

how can you forget joe thomas. he will be ready once he enters the NFL

[Falconsmikevick]

Calvin Johnson

[ahslax18]

oakland better pick russell

[LebaneseLaxer]

dude you have way too much fun with the polls

[GLAX16]

Poll is terrible, you left out 6-7 people who will be picked in the Top 10.

[ramslac05]

calvin johnson is the best player but he wont be one of the firstpicks since oakland will take russell and the lions will take....

actually he'll be one of the first picks

[jk20jk20]

laycrosse your ridiculous first off jamarcus russell might not even play much and if he does he will make plenty of mistakes hes not vince young russell never runs so he is a straight up passer while young ran for tds which made him valuable...a guy like teddy ginn or marshawn lynch will have huge impacts...ginn could return a kick and a punt, catch 6 td passes and run for one, catch 50 passes and lynch could run for 1000 yards and 10 tds they will have a instant impact like how devin hester and joe addai did

[egrlax10]

drew stanton from michigan state is the 3rd best quarterback in the draft. it would be a huge surprise if he went in the top 10, but i would guess he'll get picked in the first round.

[ghs/wylax]

I wouldn't be suprised if the Bears tried to acquire a top draft pick in order to get Brady Quinn. I know it seems stupid to rebuild after making the Super Bowl, but after that performance Rex should get the boot. Considering how well the Bears did all year with such a dismal QB, I think Brady Quinn could develop very fast if he was to be made the starter. No matter what, I think Rex Grossmann will be elsewhere next season.

[Eclipse]

I wouldn't be suprised if the Bears tried to acquire a top draft pick in order to get Brady Quinn. I know it seems stupid to rebuild after making the Super Bowl, but after that performance Rex should get the boot. Considering how well the Bears did all year with such a dismal QB, I think Brady Quinn could develop very fast if he was to be made the starter. No matter what, I think Rex Grossmann will be elsewhere next season.

There is no way they can trade up that high for that draft pick.

[ghs/wylax]

There is no way they can trade up that high for that draft pick.
They could use future draft picks. In this case it is a risk worth taking. The Bears would be the best team the league if they had a reliable QB. If Rex Grossman hadn't played they probably would have won. Rex is still young, but he has had more than enough time to develop as a better QB. If the Bears came in as almost the same team next year with a new QB, I'd expect them to make the Super Bowl again. Teams often trade away many draft picks for a player that's not worth it (Eli Manning/ Phil Rivers trade), but in this case it is worth it.

[osulax]

i really think adrian peterson is the best prospect. i not sure where he'll be picked up because he seems somewhat vaulnerable to injuries because he runs straight up which leaves him wide open to big hits. the way he got the injury this year won't look good either it didn't even look like he fell that hard. but when he's healthy he's unbelievable. if he can just stay healthy i think he has a good chance to become one of the best running backs ever.

anyway i think russell will be the first pick because i think the raiders said they were already going to take him. calivn johnson will be a really good player to i think and it will be interesting to see where troy smith goes. brady quinn should be pretty good i think once he has a good line in front of him and time to thorw. he has all the tool to make a great qb, and whoever said drew stanton would go in the first round is crazy. what has he shown in his college career other than he can blow a big lead?

[mylax33142]

chris leak.........

[Meade Lacrosse]

You absolutely ignored the defensive line. In fact, you only have one defensive player, and he might not even go in teh first. Alan Branch, Jamaal Anderson, Gaines Adams (who I think will be a bust) Patrick Willis, Paul Poszluzny, Reggie Nelson, Leon Hall, Laron Landry, Darelle Rivis, etc. etc.

[Lax n piemonade]

I think that the teams that are looking at Adrian Peterson are willing to overlook the fact that he has been injuryu prone due to his amazing skillz

[osulax]

chris leak.........

good one. :dummy:

[scarsdalelax08]

number one
CALVIN JOHNSON

no doubt overall best athlete out of the entire 07 graduating class

[killman3680]

Adrian Peterson is amazing. Teams are always looking for a good qb or hb. a tossup between him and Russel.

[toey2516]

drew stanton from michigan state is the 3rd best quarterback in the draft. it would be a huge surprise if he went in the top 10, but i would guess he'll get picked in the first round.

You are nuts. Its Quin, Russel, and that guy who won the Heismen (cuz no one knows who he is). Then the QB from Michigan. Stanton is prob close to the 8th or 9th best QB in the draft.

[toey2516]

Don't believe the Russel hype and more importantly don't believe all the rumors you hear. Don't you think teams around the league have seen what happened to culpepper (another big QB)? Teams want moblie quarter backs with good arm strength/accuracy. I will be shocked if the Raiders do not pick Brady Quinn or Troy Smith. However let me also add that the draft picture is going to be muddy until the combines start up.

edit: I could be wrong about Russel though. The Raiders seem determined to be the crapiest team in the history of the league. And Al Davis is becoming senile, but those are the only reasons I could see the Raiders getting Russel instead of Quinn or Smith.

[osulax]

You are nuts. Its Quin, Russel, and that guy who won the Heismen (cuz no one knows who he is). Then the QB from Michigan. Stanton is prob close to the 8th or 9th best QB in the draft.

chad henne, the michigan qb isn't coming out. he says he has some unfinished business in beating ohio st.same reason why mike harts coming back. good look with that fellas. :loser:

i agree that drew stanton isn't that good. i also agree that the hype around jemarcus russell is a little much. he hasn't even done that well in college. but daunte culpepper did have a really good first six years and maybe could be a comeback player. also he would've won the mvp one year but it was the year peyton threw 50+ td's. also culpepper and russell are both fairly mobile qb's with ridiculus arm strength and pretty good accuracy. i definetly think brady will have the best career out of all the qb's of this year. but troy smith isn't even being talked about going in the first round, i doubt he'll be first pick. he's been projected to go in the 3rd or 4th rounds. it's all because he's too short and he played terrible in the champioship and senior bowl games. i hope he has a really good career though and proves his critics wrong. look at dough flutie. he was like 5 9' and managed to have a decent career. good luck troy.

[benjamming18]

Jamarcus russell can throw it 50 yards from his knees, and 40 from his butt. Try that and tell me how it goes.

[SwRLaX10D]

who the F is Buster Davis?

[osulax]

middle linebacker for florida st. he's pretty good. i think he has a good chance to go late 1rst early 2nd.

[toey2516]

Jamarcus russell can throw it 50 yards from his knees, and 40 from his butt. Try that and tell me how it goes.

I'd be willing to bet McNabb could do it too. But there is a reason they call him McChoke too. No accuracy. For every bomb he throws there are about 3 to 4 balls at the feet of his recievers. Power isn't everything. Garcia took over and did very well because of his mobility and accuracy (Brady Quinn anyone?). I just don't believe the Russel hype is all.

[Valaxman17]

Don't believe the Russel hype and more importantly don't believe all the rumors you hear. Don't you think teams around the league have seen what happened to culpepper (another big QB)? Teams want moblie quarter backs with good arm strength/accuracy. I will be shocked if the Raiders do not pick Brady Quinn or Troy Smith. However let me also add that the draft picture is going to be muddy until the combines start up.

edit: I could be wrong about Russel though. The Raiders seem determined to be the crapiest team in the history of the league. And Al Davis is becoming senile, but those are the only reasons I could see the Raiders getting Russel instead of Quinn or Smith.
my bet is smith willl not go till at the earliest early second round at Ohio state he ran a very simple offense he has a lot of development to become a good pro. I believe the first pick will be russel then quinn to the lions maybe a defensive pllayer

[osulax]

he didn't run a more simpler offenser than any other of the qb's in this draft. so in that regard i think he'll be just as well off as the other qb's. also i don't think he'll even go in the second round because a lot of teams don't like his size. he's projected to go 3rd or 4th.

[captain crunch]

I'd be willing to bet McNabb could do it too. But there is a reason they call him McChoke too. No accuracy. For every bomb he throws there are about 3 to 4 balls at the feet of his recievers. Power isn't everything. Garcia took over and did very well because of his mobility and accuracy (Brady Quinn anyone?). I just don't believe the Russel hype is all.

How much would you be willing to bet?? I agree power is only one part of being a great quarterback but this guy can make evry pass you could think of not to mention he has the strongest arm of any QB in the world including all NFL QB's. You can not pass on raw talent like that but Johnson is also a physical freak... it is between those two no doubt.

[jk20jk20]

the hype surrounding russell is too much ok he tore up a soft nd secondary and that was the one game most people saw him play...there is absolutely no way drew stanton will be a first rounder he is a 3rd rounder at best...there is also no way the bears will trade up for quinn when grossman will start next year and if anyone remembers peyton manning once threw 20 some ints grossman will improve...the bears will pick a qb like stanton, brennan, palko, taylor, kolb to name a few in the third or fourth round

[Mikehenry8742]

oakland better pick russell

yeah they better, we need a quarterback with a strong arm

[Butters14]

Stanton may not be drafted one of the top 3 in the draft, but I really think he'll end up being one of the top two quarterbacks from this draft. Brady Quinn/Jamarcus Russel, whichever of those gets drafter by the Raiders will fall off the face of the earth. Al Davis will see to that. Troy Smith is so overrated, the Big 10 was so soft this year, and they still didnt play the best defense in the conference (Wisconsin). The only good pass defense he played torched him. Michigan's pass defense was ranked 7th in the Big 10 alone. Troy Smith sucks.

[jk20jk20]

wow haha michigan was easily the best defense in the conference they were second in the nation but they did get torn up by usc but wisconsin would have also...troy smith will start in the nfl your just a jealous wisconsin fan

[Meade Lacrosse]

yeah they better, we need a quarterback with a strong arm

Not only do most quarterbacks have strong arms anyways, but a strong arm isn't everything. Patrick Ramsey, Michael Vick, and Kyle Boller all have nice arms. Look where it got them. I don't care if a Quarterback can throw it 454 yards doing a handstand, if he can't throw to his recievers when they are open for a first down, it doesn't matter. The Raiders need someone to help them out right away. Too bad Robert gallery didn't pan out, otherwise him and Joe Thomas could make a hell of a line. Imagine that. Calvin Johnson is another good choice, since he's supposed to be the ideal reciever. But thats what people said about Braylon Edwards and Mike Williams. The last time a "great" wide receiver went early in the first round was Andre Johnson. I'm not saying that CJ will be a bust, but history is against him.

I don't think people realize enough how talented the defense is going to be in the first round. Gaines Adams is an athletic pass rusher, Alan Branch will do anything a Good DT will have to do. Jamaal Anderson is raw, but he shows all the signs that Julius Peppers did coming out of college. Patrick Willish and Paul Poszluzny look to be great LBs someday (not to mention Poz comes from Linebacker U). There are plenty of good corners in this draft, but the best DBs are Laron Landry and Reggie Nelson. Landry is a 4 year starter who can be the leader a defense needs. Nelson is just amazing.

But yea, I really really want to see Jamaal Anderson wearing Burgandy and Gold next year.

[Butters14]

wow haha michigan was easily the best defense in the conference they were second in the nation but they did get torn up by usc but wisconsin would have also...troy smith will start in the nfl your just a jealous wisconsin fan

If you'll bother reading, I was referring to pass defense. In which Michigan was absolutely terrible. 7th in a weak conference? Please. Wisconsin had the 2nd best passing defense in the nation behind Virginia Tech, and the 6th best total defense in the nation. Weird, I see Michigan at #10 on that list? Hmm, guess that means will have to use logic to see who was higher. Oh yeah, Drew Stanton also led Michigan State to the best Total Offense in the Big 10, with far far less offensive weapons. You're just another ignorant Big 10 fan who thinks that Ohio State and Michigan are god's gift to earth. Last time I checked Wisconsin didn't get absolutely trounced by their opponent in the bowl game...

[osulax]

jk20, peyton manning threw 20 ints in his 1rst year what this rex's fifth year. peyton also didn't have near the d that rex grossman does to take some of the pressure off him, meaning rex didn't always have to make the big play because he could count on a defense to make some stops (except of course in the superbowl). but he tried to anyways because he thinks he's brett favre and can make every throw when infact he can't. i hope for the bears d sake that the bears do try to trade up for to get a decent qb to help out their d a little. i have and idea how about trading rex,griese, and orton because their all worthless and we'll never be good. the only way rex grossman will ever be decent is if he gets out of the mindset that he's some football god and just make smart plays and don't force it all the time. hey isn't that how ben rothlisberger helped the steelers win the superbowl. great d like the bears, awsome running game like the bears, and both had inexperienced qb's, but the difference between ben and rex is that ben knew what he was capable of doing with his arm and stuck with it. by this time in his career i doubt rex will ever change that mind set. so there's no hope for the bears with rex.

butters14,me thinks i hear some angst against the bucks. what are you basing off that drew stanton will be a good qb in the nfl? you talk about troy going against soft defenses, drew stanton went up against the same defenses and did much worse. granted he didn't have a loaded receiving core like smith put they weren't terrible, a great qb can find a way to get the ball to average recievers. stanton went up against that same pass d of notre dame that russell did and did ok,not great, but blew a huge lead. great qb's know how to close when they're ahead especially leads like stanton had. about troy smith being terrible, ok. like i said before stanton played the same teams as smith. one huge difference troy lit up everyone. oh yeah a he didn't do to bad against a little team called texas either, with the best db in college last year aaron ross. he also won the heisman incase you didn't hear. and he did go up against the best d in the big ten everyday in practice. michigan st. didn't have the best offense in the big 10, in every offensive category they were behind ohio st.(yds,ypg, etc.) i don't know where you're getting your stats but they're wrong. you can't say stanton will be better than russell or quinn, i can't say for sure he'll be terrible,but i brought a little stronger evidence to the table.

on to the topic about quarterbacks that have strong arms, the qb's mentioned don't have nearly the arm strength of jamarcus russell and they weren't as hyped up as he was coming out of the draft, except mike vick. i didn't expect ramsey or boller to be anything special and i can't say i knew anyone that did or had reason to think so. nfl scouts look at arm strength first. that's why ken dorsey didn't go high in the draft and he had one of the best college careers of all time. if the qb be can't get the ball the reciever it dosn't matter if he's accurate or not. don't judge to quickly about recievers braylon edwards and mike williams. they just got into the league, give them some time, braylon came off a broken leg and mike williams really hasn't played that much. and it dosn't help they're on awful teams with awful qb's.and there have been alot of good recievers drafted in the first round in the past five or six years(larry fitzgerald,roy williams,reggie wayne, santana moss,donte stallworth) and there are a few others. i think johnson will be a solid player.

didn't mean to attack everyone. i just have strong opinions.

[Meade Lacrosse]

wow haha michigan was easily the best defense in the conference they were second in the nation but they did get torn up by usc but wisconsin would have also...troy smith will start in the nfl your just a jealous wisconsin fan

He'll start in the nfl? Maybe start the game with a cool bench to warm up.... I personally think he's garbage. He's the Ken Dorsey of 2007. Some team will experiment with him, but unless i was in dire need of a QB, i wouldn't pick this guy up until the 6th.

[shortboy4real]

Robert Mechium (sp) from TN will be the best WR

[Butters14]

i can't say for sure he'll be terrible,but i brought a little stronger evidence to the table.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/stats/2006/divia/conference/big10/

Read it and weap. Nice "stronger evidence". I believe that shows Michigan State averaging nearly 100 yards more per game. Also last time I checked pro potential is a little more important than you're giving it credit. I'll trust the experts such as Mel Kiper, who I don't know if you know this, but is the most respected college talent expert, who has Stanton as the #3 quarterback coming out for this year, and Troy Smith at a lonely #8. I have nothing against Ohio State, AJ Hawk has been one of my favorite players since I saw him play against Texas in '05. I just like to not be ignorant, and look at teams other than my own...

[lax21goalie2008]

Robert Mechium (sp) from TN will be the best WR

WHAT?! Meachem will not be the best wide reciever! Calvin Johnson will be the best.

By the way, NFL Draft expert analyst Mel Kiper, Jr. has Calvin Johnson going first.

[shortboy4real]

WHAT?! Meachem will not be the best wide reciever! Calvin Johnson will be the best.

By the way, NFL Draft expert analyst Mel Kiper, Jr. has Calvin Johnson going first.


yea well i think he wont do as great as he did in the NCAA then in the pros. I mean Johnson is really talented but Meachem has a better chance to be on a better team. Not saying that just because your on a better team YOU become better, just that he`ll be around better players that could help him and be with a better QB. We all know that the top 4 teams in the draft failed to win 5 or more games last year was because of thier QB. Now I`m not saying that Meachem is better than Johnson, o goodness no, But that he`ll (Meachem) will have better chances for making great plays and getting better stats and helping his team.

[SwRLaX10D]

you'd think Adrian Peterson would be on that poll, but since he wasnt I voted Quinn.
I still think Peterson, coming off the injury, is still the best RB in the 2007 graduating class

[malax31]

you want a sleeper? His name is Patrick Willis. LB's don't get enough credit, and this man is a wrecking machine. He isin't the next ray ray, but he is going to have an outstanding NFL carrer

[JayGatz]

Initial thoughts...
1.Brady Quinn reminds me of Rex Grossman coming out of college. Don't ask me why.
2. The Bears need a black quarterback.
3. Jamarcus Russell is the #1 pick, hands down. 85 yards standing, 60-65 on his knees. He is 6'6", 260 lbs, and runs a 40 time in the high 4.6's.
4. Jamarcus Russell has the STRONGEST ARM in any level of football.
5. Quinn needs to be polished for the NFL, while Russell needs to be refined for the NFL. But Russell has a tremendous upside, while Quinn is just moderate.
6. Think NBA, players with incredible upside (essentially project players) get chosen before moderate upside players who have already proven and shown to an extent what they are capable of offering (Great college players).
7. Did I not mention the Raiders will pick RUSSELL.
8. Adrian Peterson is top 10/15. He is injury prone, and that scares teams off almost as much as a receiver with a slow 40-time (Dwayne Jarrett)
9. 2nd pick is a toss. The lions most certainly need a QB of the future (they can get in Quinn), but Joe Thomas is the real deal at LT. You could even toss in the name of Calvin Johnson, but they won't pick a receiver at this point (for the sake of their franchise). Or maybe Gaines Adams, but I'm sure defense doesn't trouble them as much as offense (draft history in 1st round).
10. Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson could go at 3. I see Calvin Johnson going to the Bucs at 4.

More Later.

[lacrosseman192]

www.nfldraftcountdown.com

Scott Wright's Top 32 Prospects for the 2007 NFL Draft
Player Class Position School
1. Brady Quinn SR QB Notre Dame
A franchise signal caller who really has everything that you look for.
2. Calvin Johnson JR WR Georgia Tech
The best receiver prospect to come along in years and a physical freak.
3. Joe Thomas SR OT Wisconsin
Could have been a Top 10 - 15 overall pick last year if not for injury.
4. JaMarcus Russell JR QB L.S.U.
Total package physically and might have the strongest arm in football.
5. Alan Branch JR DT Michigan
Versatile and could play either tackle or end depending on the scheme.
6. Adrian Peterson JR RB Oklahoma
Terrific physical specimen and a rare player but durability is a concern.
7. Jamaal Anderson JR DE Arkansas
Doesn't get a lot of national attention but he is a premier pro prospect.
8. Amobi Okoye SR DT Louisville
Very talented and unique prospect who will be a 20-year-old rookie.
9. LaRon Landry SR S L.S.U.
Ballhawk who has been extremely productive throughout his career.
10. Gaines Adams SR DE Clemson
Sack artist who could rise if he picks up where he left off as a junior.
11. Leon Hall SR CB Michigan
Battle tested coverman who is not afraid to come up and be physical.
12. Reggie Nelson JR S Florida
A playmaker with a knack for being in the right place at the right time.
13. Adam Carriker SR DE Nebraska
Versatile player who could play end in a 4-3 or 3-4 and tackle in a 4-3.
14. Patrick Willis SR ILB Ole Miss
Productive and a big hitter who flies under the radar a bit in the SEC.
15. Levi Brown SR OT Penn St.
Former defensive tackle who moves well despite his mammoth size.
16. Paul Posluszny SR OLB Penn St.
One of the best ever from "Linebacker U" which is saying something.
17. Dwayne Jarrett JR WR USC
Forget the speed and Mike Williams comparisons, this guy is a player.
18. Lawrence Timmons JR OLB Florida St.
Very raw and inexperienced but a great athlete with major potential.
19. Marshawn Lynch JR RB California
Outstanding big play threat with an excellent blend of size and speed.
20. Ted Ginn, Jr. JR WR Ohio St.
Far from polished but has world-class speed and is simply a playmaker.
21. Darrelle Revis JR CB Pittsburgh
Fast, athletic, physical and aggressive corner as well as a return man.
22 Dwayne Bowe SR WR L.S.U.
A big and physical wideout who will remind some of Michael Clayton.
23. Michael Griffin SR S Texas
The next great Longhorn defensive back who's always around the ball.
24. Joe Staley SR OT Central Michigan
An outstanding athlete for the position who is very light on his feet.
25. Victor Abiamiri SR DE Notre Dame
Productive and a terrific physical specimen who really looks the part.
26. Marcus McCauley SR CB Fresno St.
Has everything you look for in a top corner including great size/speed.
27. Quentin Moses SR DE Georgia
Athletic and speedy edge pass rusher who could go very high in April.
28. Sidney Rice SO WR South Carolina
Has just about everything that you look for physically but is still raw.
29. Justin Blalock SR OG Texas
A road grader who could play either tackle or guard at the pro level.
30. Jarvis Moss JR DE Florida
Very athletic and a great pass rusher who would be a nice 3-4 OLB.
31. Jon Beason JR OLB Miami (FL)
Undersized but he plays bigger and may be the next Jonathan Vilma
32. Ryan Kalil SR C USC
Undersized but otherwise he has everything else that you look for.

[osulax]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/stats/2006/divia/conference/big10/

Read it and weap. Nice "stronger evidence". I believe that shows Michigan State averaging nearly 100 yards more per game. Also last time I checked pro potential is a little more important than you're giving it credit. I'll trust the experts such as Mel Kiper, who I don't know if you know this, but is the most respected college talent expert, who has Stanton as the #3 quarterback coming out for this year, and Troy Smith at a lonely #8. I have nothing against Ohio State, AJ Hawk has been one of my favorite players since I saw him play against Texas in '05. I just like to not be ignorant, and look at teams other than my own...

i'm i reading your link wrong? i know it says that michigan state averaged 476.8 yds a game but when i clicked on expanded total offense it sayed ohio st. had 384.5 yds/g and michigan state at 356.8 yds/g. also on espn.com it sayed ohio st. averaged 417.7 yds/g and michigan st. averaged 373.2 yds/g. i may be misreading it but i don't think so. also i think mel kiper is given way too much credit for being a college scout guru. if he was that good don't you think nfl teams would be all over him to be a scout for one of them? his guess for players panning out is as good as anyone with some football knowledge. i think pro potential is very important, but i think to be granted pro potential a player needs to show a little more in college than what stanton did. i didn't watch all of his games but i did watch a good amount( and it wasn't just when he played ohio st.) he didn't impress me enough to go how this guys going to be something in the pros. i'm sure he'll make a great long term backup for whatever team drafts him. i've been wrong before but with stanton i don't see anything special except good arm stength and ok accuracy which about every starting qb has.if he has a great qb coach in the pros then maybe he'll be good. but i just don't see it.

troy smith at lonely 8 on kipers draft board. whoa....that means he's definetly going to suck in the pros(10). like i said before kiper gets too much credit and people who believe everything he says is correct just can't form opinons for themselves. however, i'm not going to be bias and say troy's the next peyton manning. i think with the progression he's shown in college and his skills and ability to read defenses could make him an above average starter in about 5 years.everyone knows the only reason troy smith is not rated the #1 qb is because of his size and hopefullly he can prove people wrong like doug flutie did. you say you don't like to be ignorant well saying a heisman trophy winner sucks sounds pretty ignorant to me.

[jk20jk20]

yeah whoever said pat willis is a sleeper malax31 or something willis is a stud that guy could be the next lance briggs

[osulax]

He'll start in the nfl? Maybe start the game with a cool bench to warm up.... I personally think he's garbage. He's the Ken Dorsey of 2007. Some team will experiment with him, but unless i was in dire need of a QB, i wouldn't pick this guy up until the 6th.

what makes you think he's garbage? i guess your're basing your opinion off the NC. which isn't fair because if you're going to break down a players talent and ability you can't base it off one game. also he had zero protection in that game and in order to do well against a defense like florida a qb needs to have solid protection to do well, i don't care who they are. troy is a lot better than ken dorsey was coming out. ken dorsey could throw the ball about 50 yds, troy can throw it about 75. the reason teams passed on dorsey was because of lack of arm strength which is fair because inorder to be a good qb in the nfl you have to have great arm strength. the reason why teams will pass on troy is because of size which i guess is fair because a qb needs to have good vision to see the field and make his reads. but it's not like the linemen in the nfl are a lot taller than the linemen in college. alex boone was the LT for the bucks last year and was about 6 7'. i don't think they get any taller than that in the nfl. also it's not like troy is 5 feet. he's like 5 10'-5 11'. i'm not saying troy will be the great in the nfl but i think he'll have a decent career and i know he'll have a lot better career than ken dorsey. i think he'll go late 3rd-early 4th.

jay gatz, a couple of your statements intrigued me. why do the bears need a black qb? that's about the most random comment i've heard. race has nothing to do with how good a qb is or will be. not a racist fact here but the last time a black qb won the superbowl was i think in 1987 which was doug williams with the redskins. i wouldn't say russell is the clear cut #1 choice,but i do think he has shown great potential and could be great,but i belive he has a lot of room for improvement to be the great player he may or may not turn out to be . however, he hasn't shown extreme upside besides the notre dame game but their secondary sucks and i think he is the one who needs to polish his skills to be great in the nfl not quinn. he didn't do that well against florida either. brady quinn has proven himself in college and he's pretty well polished with his mechanics. i don't know how he hasn't shown upside. he did awful against lsu but that was probably the best d in the country and the nd line sucks and jeff whatever (not going to try and spell his name) and rema mcknight were overrated recievers who were average at best. given he had no help on offense and couldn't rely on a good d to back him up, all things considered i think he did a pretty good job. he also has great arm strength, not as good as russells but still pretty good, however, having said that i think he is more accurate than russell, so throwing ability maybe a toss up. adrian peterson will go higher than #10. teams in spots before need a runningback and he is the best available, injuries aside. i am curious as to why brady reminds you of rex grossman but i won't ask you why you believe so. can't wait to here more of your opinions later, scarcasm aside.

on the subject of calvin johnson and robert meechum. calvin johnson will have the better career not only because he's more talented but because even if he goes to a bad team any qb who starts in the nfl can't be terrible(except for rex grossman) and will find a way to get him the ball. if he dosn't the head coach and gm will make sure they get someone in there who can.

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you say you don't like to be ignorant well saying a heisman trophy winner sucks sounds pretty ignorant to me.
I think he'll suck because he's had a recurring attitude problem. High school and College issues. Most people it takes until the pros for those problems to really start coming out. Also, I don't just base my opinion off of Kiper's board. I've seen Stanton play, and quite honestly he just seems like he's the most comfortable in the pocket and seems to have the cleanest throwing motion. He was also able to maintain a 120+ average passer rating over three years, with FAR less talent than Troy Smith had. Also, my bad on the cnnsi.com, they clearly have a mistake in their stats, my fault for only looking at one site. Finally, about saying a Heisman winner sucks, as a Badger fan even I can say Ron Dayne...

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he has had a bad attitude in past years, but coach tressel has helped him change that, but i do agree that the nfl lifestyle can bring back the bad side in good players. i hope that dosn't happen to troy and i don't think it will because of the maturity he's shown in interviews he's done, a new found drive and determenation to be the best, and in the way he conducts himself on the field. and because of his drive and determenation i don't think he'll settle for mediocrity in the nfl.

agree to disagree on stanton i guess. we each have our own opinions and we clearly won't change each other's opinions on his performance or his mechanics, or how he'll turn out as a pro. Smith's worse passer rating in his career was a 134.5, and last year and this year it was 160+. yes he had a great recieving core but he still had to get them the ball and the td pass to ryan robiskie against penn st. is the play that i believe defined troy smith's season this year. i respect your opinion that you believe troy smith will suck in the nfl but i will not respect the fact that you think he was overrated as a college player. his great play and ability to lead each and every game spoke for it self no matter what defense he played against or what kind of recieving core he had. i believe that ron dayne was one of the best college runningbacks of all time and i'm not just saying that. coming out of college i really thought he had a chance to be great and thought he would be the next jerome bettis, but obviously i was wrong about that.