Illegal???

[etowahlax21]

I have asked a couple players on my team weather this is illegal or not and nobody can give me a good answer... Can anyone explain wheater this is illegal or not??? If it is, how do I fix it??? :thinking:

[Brandon303]

It is not illegal. If it trapped on the front of the head then it would be illegal. It only traps now because of the mesh. No worries, it happens with every factory pinched stick.

[Wubbie]

It's illegal... Though I've never seen it called on anyone but the face-off man...

Simply unpinch it a little, or string the sidewalls on the outside towards the bottom.

[itsthatkid]

I'm not the most knowledgable person on the forums, but i'm pretty sure thats not illegal. I'm saying that because its not illegal to be able to do that, but if the ball gets noticably stuck in there during a game, you WILL be called for it, but its just an alernate possesion call.

[laxman 9990]

yes, only because the sidewall at the bottom is holding the ball in. Im assuming that you faceoff, but redo the lower sidewall or get the mesh wet towards the bottom and pound it outward

[centenniallax81]

im almost 100% positive that that is legal, i know that it used to be illegal but they changed the rule when all of the sticks started to be super pinched right from the factory. and to my knowledge if the ball gets stuck in the back of the head you have three seconds to remove it or you lose posession of the ball.

hope that this helped.

[benjamming18]

Thats a good question I was wondering that myself. PM LaxRef, or post this in the Rules forum.

[ekajsk8er]

It is legal, but if you take faceoffs and the ball gets stuck in the head like that the ball will be turned over. If your a regular field player, you've got nothing to worry about.

[thedamnedfan]

However, if your called on a stick check and the measurements on that area of the stick is less than the legal measurement, then I would worry about it, but it seems that yours is all sidewall and mesh holding the ball in.

[Jephman]

I'm pretty sure it is legal.

P.S. Is that Jimalax Royal blue and Michigan yellow shooters? That is my EXACT shooter setup.

[MDlaxin69]

its legal, but as people have said, if your facing off and you trap it in there, and the ref catches you, then they get the ball (i think)

[faceofflax15]

Its legal for normal Players, however if you're taken them faceoffs, you're not in luck.

Its withholding penalty, the ball gets the other team, only if you take faceoffs.

[kylezkdlf]

It is illegal. Found it in a very old thread.

About the scoop- Its definately Illegal. Heres a quote from LaxRef-



NOTE: There is no rule that states an official is to test if the ball gets stuck in the BACK side of the head of the crosse. However, if this occurs in the game, it is an immediate whistle and the ball is awarded to the opponent. This is most commonly seen after face offs. This does NOT mean the crosse is illegal in any manner.



He is the mod for the Rules and Officiating forum, and he definately knows what he is talking about. If you need any more proof PM me. I can get the exact rule from the rulebook, but i was too lazy so i just linked you to LaxRef's post.

[etowahlax21]

O.K. All of these answer my question! Thanks!

[RedStormLaxer41]

in case you're a face off guy, i'd suggest shoving a baseball in there the same way youve got the lax ball in there. it tends to stretch it just enough so that it doesn't happen in a game (best use for a baseball)

[CSlax06]

in case you're a face off guy, i'd suggest shoving a baseball in there the same way youve got the lax ball in there. it tends to stretch it just enough so that it doesn't happen in a game (best use for a baseball)

Darn he beat me to it.

But when does a ball get stuck in the very bottom in the back of of the head?

[etowahlax21]

I do faceoff when my mid line is on so I will try the baseball trick.

[chattlax2]

a faceoff player for towson told me that you get like one downthrust(for lack of a better word) to get the ball to come out- if it doesn't come out it's illegal, i might have misinterpreted what he said, but i'm pretty sure thats right

[faceofflax15]

Darn he beat me to it.

But when does a ball get stuck in the very bottom in the back of of the head?
A lot more than you'd think :hot:

[laxr24]

Its only illegal for a face off man if he gets the ball stuck there while clamping and cannot get the ball out within under a few steps. example- the plunger, clamp and throw it up in the air, which is legal, but if he does that and the ball remains stuck, the ball is turned over. (happened to me in indoor last week)

[t_tarte_24]

it is illegal but if u want fix that problem put a baseball at the throat of the head and it wil stretch it out so the head isnt illegal

[CHSlax]

it is illegal but unless you take faceoffs it will never be called but still if you want to fix it keep a field hockey back in the throat of your stick when your not using it.

[macdaddylax4]

your sidewalls look realy lose tightining them might work

[Talent223]

yea, its not the head thats causeing the ball to get stuck. If look at it, there's plenty of space between the ball and sidewall on both sides. Its the mesh and stringing thats the problem. Try restringing your stick with a different sidewall style and make them as tight as possible. That should solve the problem.

[elavation2728]

its illegal. but i wouldnt worry. unless you face off and the ball gets stuck then you aint got nothing to worry about. refs do not check this in a game.

[LaxRef]

There seem to be some reading comprehension problems here. Read this again:

There is no rule that states an official is to test if the ball gets stuck in the BACK side of the head of the crosse. However, if this occurs in the game, it is an immediate whistle and the ball is awarded to the opponent. This is most commonly seen after face offs. This does NOT mean the crosse is illegal in any manner.

If the ball sticks in the front or back of the crosse, possession is awarded to the opponents, period. Not just on faceoffs, but any time in the game. Think of it as a technical foul for withholding the ball from play.

If the ball sticks in the back of the crosse, that does not make the stick illegal in the sense of carrying an illegal crosse penalty, although often sticks that allow the ball to become stuck are illegal in other ways.

I have never made this call except on a faceoff, because that's when people are most likely to clamp the ball with that part of the head, but any official who knows what he or she is doing will make this call anywhere on the field of play if necessary.

[laxn]

Its legal for normal Players, however if you're taken them faceoffs, you're not in luck.

Its withholding penalty, the ball gets the other team, only if you take faceoffs.
Thats only if u dont get rid of the ball, if u get it stuck than pop it out, its legal or if u get it stuck than throw it up its legal

[laxfan25]

You are no longer allowed any time period (a second, a couple of steps, etc) to dislodge a ball stuck in hte back of the stick. If the ref sees it, it is an immediate whistle and the ball is turned over. Also, the ref may take note and call you later for a stick check to see if the same thing happens in the front - in which case you have a much more serious issue, and you and your stick will spend the game in separate locations. It does appear that your stringing is what is retaining the ball in the back, so you very well may pass the front check.

[inblack]

in case you're a face off guy, i'd suggest shoving a baseball in there ... (best use for a baseball)

Isn't this just the truth.
:agree:

[LaxRef]

Thats only if u dont get rid of the ball, if u get it stuck than pop it out, its legal or if u get it stuck than throw it up its legal

You are wrong. Period.

Unless you can back up your ridiculous assertion with a quote from the rule book, I'd suggest you stop posting about this before you make a bigger fool out of yourself. On the rules forum, we take a very dim view of people who spread disinformation. :chair:

[spenny]

You are wrong. Period.

Unless you can back up your ridiculous assertion with a quote from the rule book, I'd suggest you stop posting about this before you make a bigger fool out of yourself. On the rules forum, we take a very dim view of people who spread disinformation. :chair:

we should talk to snake~eyes about adding a warning for "spreading completly wrong interpretations of the rule book and generally not knowing anything about the rules of the game?"

:dummy:

[CJLAX]

Its NOT illegal, it is LEGAL, if the ball gets stuck in the back of the head on the face off 2 times in a row, then it will be asked to be removed from the game, it is not treated as an illegal stick. There is NO stick check that allows for the BACK of the stick to be checked.

[LaxRef]

Its NOT illegal, it is LEGAL,

True.

if the ball gets stuck in the back of the head on the face off 2 times in a row, then it will be asked to be removed from the game

False, false, false. :chair: :nono: :guns: :dummy: :monkey: There is no such rule anywhere in either the NCAA or NFHS rulebook. Snake~eyes, please hurry up with that new warning.

it is not treated as an illegal stick

True.

There is NO stick check that allows for the BACK of the stick to be checked.

True.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Its NOT illegal, it is LEGAL, if the ball gets stuck in the back of the head on the face off 2 times in a row, then it will be asked to be removed from the game, it is not treated as an illegal stick.

But you forget that if a stick begins to grip a ball from the back you can attach it to an e-mail and send it to de beers and get a small box of diamonds for it.

They have too many and need to trickle them out onto the market, you know. I got an e-mail that said so.

The other thing you can do is give the stick to the referee and if it sits in the trunk of his car for a week it automatically becomes legal.

I recommend that you go the de beers route, though. You can sell the diamonds and buy a car with a trunk and make your stick legal yourself! Then you end up with a new car AND a legal stick! :idea:

You just gotta know how to work the system. Don't listen to that stuffy ol' LaxRef.......