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kojak89

04-16-2007, 10:09 PM

My top ten:
1. Rockhurst (have shown no reason why this should change)
2. CBC (good showing against rockhurst/lafayette, only bad loss to desmet, attackmen were nasty in the crease against lafayette)
3. Lafayette (if it weren't for the CBC anomoly they would be #2, really solid all-around same middies play all game so fatigue can be in play late in the games...jehling is a great player)
4. Kirkwood*my team* (dispite my obvious bias' because i play for them, i believe that we are a very solid team this year and are in contention with all of these other teams. our only losses are to lafayette and MICDS...both of which were winnable...we had the shots in the MICDS game but none would go in. These were also our first two games after our 3 week break, so it has taken a while for our offense to get in rythym. defense is avg. 5 pts against per game + we have one of the best goalies in state with dan lauber...20 saves vs. west.)
5. Parkway West (again solid, faceoff man is unbeatable...this means they ALWAYS have the ball...with a lot of fast breaks)
6. MICDS (We played them back to back and i think west was a much better team...but like always their team is balanced with a few great middies.)
7. SLUH (based on record...we play them tomorrow)
8. South (havent seen them so i have no comments)
9. Central (havent seen them so i have no comments)
10. Desmet (will be good...lot of injuries...always solid)

spenny

04-17-2007, 12:01 PM

The last one was closed by the moderators because all people did was trash each other. As much as some people think its fun, its against the rules and if we keep doing it they will close this one as well. So lets keep it clean.

Eclipse is correct. fighting and flaming will not be tolerated. if you dont have anything good to say about Missouri lax dont bother posting here, from here on out, i will be handing out disobeying moderator warnings to go along with whatever other warning you earn.

and guys... remember how the second guy in ALWAYS gets the flag... just ignore it and use the report button.

hurst022

04-17-2007, 01:04 PM

hey out stats person cant seem to access the stats thing for stl prep do yall know what is up with it or anything?

cmriocsdsse09

04-17-2007, 02:21 PM

rockhurst- unbeatable in missouri, pretty well rounded; faceoff, scorers
CBC- great middies, good attack, deffinately one of the best
MICDS- very young team, stuggled early season, starting to click
lafyette- well rounded team all around, gerry is sick, goalie isnt bad either
kirkwood- very good team, adapts well to many offences and defenses

fenderstrat3578

04-17-2007, 02:29 PM

4. Kirkwood*my team* (dispite my obvious bias' because i play for them, i believe that we are a very solid team this year and are in contention with all of these other teams. our only losses are to lafayette and MICDS...both of which were winnable...we had the shots in the MICDS game but none would go in. These were also our first two games after our 3 week break, so it has taken a while for our offense to get in rythym. defense is avg. 5 pts against per game + we have one of the best goalies in state with dan lauber...20 saves vs. west.)

Considering MICDS was in the exact same situation, without having a game for a few weeks, and the fact that they BEAT you, it doesn't make sense for you to rank above them. I was at the game, and the fact is that while both teams had lots of shots that didn't go in, most of K'wood's shots weren't on, and some weren't even close to net. Micds's shots were affected more by the rain as well. Both teams struggled with the weather, but MICDS won the game, and proved why they deserve that spot above you.

kojak89

04-17-2007, 03:25 PM

i said i have bias...in my opinion we looked like a more complete team...i understand ur opinion and your point is valid

BIGDGOALIE

04-17-2007, 07:21 PM

Rockhurst-there just good
CBC-Great team as a whole, honestly beatable
Laffayette-Very Athletic, I was sceptical about Jerry but he scored 5 goals on me so ive changed
West-Very impressed with their teamwork and team play
K-wood-Lauber's (spelling) good dont know how they will do against athletic teams ...biast only after seeing them play us

This is the ranking from the games that ive seen played against us.
All i know is that the season is long and Rockhurst will have more competition than last year to get to state regardless on who it is.

If there are any Rockhurst guys on here, safe drive down and well see you all on Thursday.

And Good Luck to all the teams playing this week.

Eclipse

04-17-2007, 07:36 PM

Who does everyone think is the best player in the state this year?

ballin88

04-17-2007, 07:48 PM

hands down paul reintjes

cmriocsdsse09

04-17-2007, 08:02 PM

gerry jehling or drew koeneman

pshlax18

04-17-2007, 08:47 PM

whos is paul reintjes? never heard of him so im guessing thats sarcasm?? I think drew koeneman is a great player but i have yet to see him play this year. The thing the gerry jehling and erich smith have over him is their speed and quickness with the stick.

pshlax18

04-17-2007, 08:49 PM

fenderstrat3578

04-17-2007, 09:00 PM

Paul reintjes is a DISGUSTING long pole middie for Rock. I highly doubt that that was sarcasm.
Drew, Erich, and Gerry are all sick

Eclipse

04-17-2007, 09:23 PM

Ive heard the Looby brothers are pretty solid players to, one going to Navy the other to Trinity but I havent seen either play this year.

Laxmaster2022

04-17-2007, 11:16 PM

so is anyone else sick of revo pro heads? sometimes mine is legal, sometimes its not. i keep a hockey puck in it or a baseball to try to keep it stretched out but it doesnt always work. any suggestions that dont include baking it because i really like my string job and im not someone to mess with that.
your pretty much unless you want to risk baking the head at a lower temperature for longer, but it will probably still screw with the wax on the mesh. I would say get an evo/revo/razer 2.0. That line of heads isnt as pinched as the pros, I have an evo 2.0 and it is sick, the throat could still get a little narrow if you do alot of faceoffs, but thats just a guess.

ballin88

04-18-2007, 12:44 AM

sarcasm? reintjes is the only kid in missouri playing true d-1 next year (hobart), far and away the best pole in the state and on a different level than jehling and koenaman

pshlax18

04-18-2007, 07:50 AM

sarcasm? reintjes is the only kid in missouri playing true d-1 next year (hobart), far and away the best pole in the state and on a different level than jehling and koenaman
thats why i put question marks after sarcasm. Because i've never heard of him before and in the past, people have put up random names that they thought would be AA just as a joke.

cmriocsdsse09

04-18-2007, 09:54 AM

sarcasm? reintjes is the only kid in missouri playing true d-1 next year (hobart), far and away the best pole in the state and on a different level than jehling and koenaman

hes not on a different level then either of those two...jehling and koeneman could probably also play d-1 if they realy wanted to...d-1 is a big commitment that a lot of ppl don want

lax A lot 67

04-18-2007, 12:28 PM

best players

rock has four extremely good players this year. hanipel owning faceoffs, reinjtes shut down both smith and koeneman when they played according to stil prep, colin looby good shot (and playing d1 at navy too, people seem to forget), and kevin looby, feeds AND scores leader in the state
Lafayette has Jerry, who is good, and we'll see just how good this weekend when he goes to play rock
MICDS has Koeneman...eh i dunno, against rock he did nothing, and you cant dissapear against good teams. regardless, MICDS hasnt played too many games and its only midway. regarless, he is still good
CBC-, I dont know what people see in smith, he puts up points, but against who? accoridng to the stlprep.com statswebsite, he had 0 against desmet and 0 against rock, so if you put points up on lower level teams, that doesnt qualify you as a good player
now im not talking smack do ont get pissy about this, im jsut using stlprep and what other people have said to prove a point

so what are the predictions for tomorrows rock at demset?

hurst022

04-18-2007, 01:38 PM

rock by 10+

POCK3Ts

04-18-2007, 03:03 PM

i agree with hurst on this one i think it will be rock by a large amount

pshlax18

04-18-2007, 03:34 PM

im thinking rock 15-2

stloulax

04-18-2007, 06:34 PM

cbc-11
p south-3
thats gotta sting a little...
predictions for west vs cbc tomorow?

pshwarriorlax17

04-18-2007, 07:14 PM

Anyone who was at the CBC South game would see that game differently. It was 1-1 at the end of the first half, but we have about half as many people as CBC. It was a lot better game than the score shows.

Not to take anything away from CBC though... sorry about that. They're a solid team, all around.

PshLax12

04-18-2007, 07:53 PM

Nah Nah Nah. No excuses we got beat. And ya it stung.

hurst022

04-18-2007, 08:44 PM

hickman beat rockbridge 15-6, it was pretty bad though, we didnt play to well untill the 4th quarter but we still smashed them, anyways any big games comng up soon worth noting?

cdslax

04-18-2007, 10:09 PM

best players

MICDS has Koeneman...eh i dunno, against rock he did nothing, and you cant dissapear against good teams. regardless, MICDS hasnt played too many games and its only midway. regarless, he is still good
CBC-, I dont know what people see in smith, he puts up points, but against who? accoridng to the stlprep.com statswebsite, he had 0 against desmet and 0 against rock, so if you put points up on lower level teams, that doesnt qualify you as a good player

Both of these players were played on by the best d-pole midi in the state and only him. All teams look at these players and know to put their best players on them. Drew and Smith not showing upbig in a big game is partly because these defenses see them as their main target to stop from scoring.

cmriocsdsse09

04-18-2007, 10:16 PM

any thoughts on micds sluh game tomorrow?

Laxmaster2022

04-19-2007, 09:27 AM

sarcasm? reintjes is the only kid in missouri playing true d-1 next year (hobart), far and away the best pole in the state and on a different level than jehling and koenaman

What about your buddy Looby whos going to Navy? Or Chris Kaiser going to Manhattan? Those aren't D1?

STLGURU

04-19-2007, 01:10 PM

if you want to know who the best players in the state are, ask that coach from MICDS who took all the top Juniors last year to the big tournament in New Jersey.

No need to argue then.

pshlax18

04-19-2007, 07:55 PM

What about your buddy Looby whos going to Navy? Or Chris Kaiser going to Manhattan? Those aren't D1?
would you consider kaiser going to manhattan and joining the team as really playing D1? or just being on a D1 team? Because no offense to Chris, but he needs to up his game before he plays at that caliber. I cannot say the same about Looby because from what I've seen him play(and this is just last year) hes a great player

laxdefense5

04-19-2007, 08:48 PM

rockhurst-11
de smet-8

what happened in micds sluh and west cbc

laxme

04-19-2007, 08:54 PM

Scores from Laxpower from tonight.

MO Eureka 5, Hazelwood Central 3
MO Lindbergh 16, Webster Groves 6
MO Parkway Central 8, Parkway South 5
MO Parkway North 9, Rockwood Summit 8
MO Rockhurst Jesuit 11, DeSmet Jesuit 8

I don't care how depleted DeSmet is this year. Sennett could take a JV team & go .500 in MO. But travelling 4 hours on a weekday and playing a good team and winning is a tough challenge.

As bad as a start DeSmet got off to this year, Parkway S. isn't building up a very big point lead, Des only trails by a couple of points and they still have to play each other.

the ice box

04-19-2007, 09:14 PM

is p west gonna be good next year?

Chaminademid

04-19-2007, 09:16 PM

It's not about points this year, it's about Conference record so as long as DeSmet beats South they are the top team from the conference (assuming they would beat Webster as well), also Rockhurst made the 4 hour trip not DeSmet, just clarifying cause the way you worded it sounded like the other way around to me.

I saw the first half of the Rock V DeSmet game, Rockhurst was solid but they didn't look like the unstoppable force I thought they would be. However they are still the team to beat in Missouri.

cmriocsdsse09

04-19-2007, 09:33 PM

micds won 9-8 in overtime...

CoachFauss

04-19-2007, 09:52 PM

It's not about points this year, it's about Conference record

That determines 11 of the 12 teams that make it but the 12th is based on points and the seeding is based on points only. The wild card team won't necessarily be the #12 seed and winning your conference won't mean you get a top 6 seed.

I'd say points are a VERY big deal.

Chaminademid

04-19-2007, 10:34 PM

That determines 11 of the 12 teams that make it but the 12th is based on points and the seeding is based on points only. The wild card team won't necessarily be the #12 seed and winning your conference won't mean you get a top 6 seed.

I'd say points are a VERY big deal.

You don't need a ton of points to QUALIFY though which was my point.

out of curiosity, say parkway south finishes with a 3-1 conference record and 20 points, and DeSmet finishes with a 4-0 conference record and 18 points, is Psouth still seeded ahead of them

CoachFauss

04-20-2007, 07:30 AM

out of curiosity, say parkway south finishes with a 3-1 conference record and 20 points, and DeSmet finishes with a 4-0 conference record and 18 points, is Psouth still seeded ahead of them

Yes. Playoff seeding is based on your entire season.

roadlax

04-20-2007, 09:07 AM

POCK3Ts

04-20-2007, 10:32 AM

how was the score 13-11 if it ended in overtime. thats not possible

gjjjjt

04-20-2007, 09:37 PM

Before the season started, I calculated the points each team could potential get based on the points system this year. I have updated those numbers with the results below. This is as of April 20.

With the schedule just passing the halfway mark, I decided to do an update on the playoff status of the league based on the points system. As you know, there are some guaranteed points for playing playoff teams versus non-playoff teams so some teams will have more points guaranteed at the end of the season than they currently show in their running points totals. Below are my calculations and where the teams fare.

Some teams are already out of the playoff hunt. Some are just hanging on. Other conferences it comes down to 3 teams remaining to battle it out for the top 2 or 1 and an automatic bid.
In the Kansas conference where only the conference winner gets an automatic bid, it will be either St Thomas Aquinas, Blue Valley West or SM South. All other teams have been mathematically eliminated from the conference title. SM South has to win its remaining games and hope for an Aquinas win over BV West to create a 3 way tie for the top spot and the goal differential tie breaker.
In the MO West conference, it's down to 3 teams vying for the top two: Lafayette, Lindbergh or SLUH. The remaining teams have been eliminated from the conference top two as well as the wildcard. It's possible for a three way tie, but Lindbergh must beat SLUH and SLUH must win its other remaining conference games to create a 3-way tie. Note that with 18 guaranteed points, Lafayette is guaranteed a spot in the playoffs even if they don't finish 1 or 2 in conference. This is because the current teams with a maximum points of 17 (PW West and Hickman if they win their remaining games) are in the current # 12 slot. If Lafayette finishes 3rd in conference, they will be in the wildcard pool and therefore eliminate everyone below 18 points. So for those teams currently between 9 and 17 max, the hope is Lafayette finishes 1 or 2 in conference. Congratulations to Lafayette as the first team to qualify for the playoffs. They have earned it at 8 - 1 in league play so far this season.
The MO East is up for grabs with MICDS the current front-runner.
In the MO Central, CBC is the current favorite. It will take at least 3 wins in conference to finish top 2, so Ft Zumwalt is out. West and North each have 2 losses so one more for either and they are out.
The MO North is still up for grabs with not enough conference results to determine the front runners.
MO-West-MO has Rockhurst as the team to beat. Note that Rockhurst could win its remaining games and be undefeated in the regular league season and potentially not be the top seed in the tournament should MICDS (currently 4 - 1 in league) or PW South (currently 4 - 3) win its remaining games.

Wildcard Cutoff
Determined from the minimum points a team can have if they lose their remaining games. Also, determined from the conference that has the three highest team minimum points. Currently that conference is the StL East with Parkway Central and Ladue with 11 minimum and MICDS with 9 minimum. Since only two of the three teams can finish 1 or 2 in conference as the automatic qualifiers to the playoffs, the third team will be in the wildcard pool. Currently, the team holding the cutoff for the wildcard pool is MICDS with 9. Any team with less than 9 minimum, even if they win their remaining games, is eliminated from the wildcard pool.

Already Out (can't finish 1 or 2 in conference and not enough points for the wildcard; + current league record):
Eureka (3 - 5)
Ft Zumwalt (3 - 5)
Hazelwood (0 - 7)
Shawnee Mission East (0 - 9)
Wentzville (3 - 5)

Out of the Wildcard:
Rockbridge (0 - 5)
Rockwood (0 - 6)
Shawnee Mission South (1 - 4)
Webster Groves (1 - 6)

Minimum Points Leaders (points guaranteed even if teams lose their remaining games):
Lafayette 18
PW South 16
Kirkwood 16
Rockhurst 17
CBC 14
DeSmet 12
Ladue 11
PW Central 11
MICDS 9
SLUH 8
Clayton 7
Pembroke 6
Lindbergh 5
BV West 5
Vianney 4
PW West 4
Fox 3
ST Aquinas 2
PW North 2
SM East 1
Hickman 1
Chaminade 0
Ft. Zumwalt 0
Wentzville -1
Olathe -1
SM South -2
Springfield -3
Rockbridge -3
Eureka -5
Rockwood -6
Webster Grove -6
Hazelwood -7

Maximum Points Leaders (most points a team can earn if they win their remaining games):
PW South 27
MICDS 27
Lafayette 25
Rockhurst 23
Ladue 23
CBC 23
Kirkwood 23
DeSmet 21
PW Central 20
SLUH 19
Vianney 19
PW West 17
Hickman 17
BV West 16
ST Aquinas 16
Pembroke 15
Olathe 14
Fox 14
Chaminade 12
Clayton 11
Lindbergh 10
PW North 9
Springfield 9
Wentzville 8
SM South 8
Ft. Zumwalt 8
Rockbridge 8
Rockwood 7
Eureka 6
SM East 5
Webster Grove 4
Hazelwood 2

laxdefense5

04-21-2007, 01:50 AM

overheard after the game from some rockhurst parents that Coach Fauss had said to a rockhurst parent that rockhust did not look like same team he saw at jamboree. there good but defense is vulnerable cuz of lack of slide...goalie can't clear under pressure and if you can stop loobys everyone else is standing around waiting for them to shoot. lafayette 13 rockherst 11 in o.t.

lafeyette doesnt have a chance..laffeyettes only player is gerry..against de smet he scored 5 of the 7 goals and had an assist...seeing as how renties from rock has shut down every teams best midfielder thus far in the season i expect he will do the same to lafeyettes. without gerry lafeyettes offense is nothing, he creates every thing for their offense. who do you plan on stopping the loobys with?

i could be completely wrong but i guess we'll find out tomorow

rock123

04-21-2007, 03:19 PM

so much for that 13-11 overtime win with lafayette over rockhurst. rock put them away 13-4 and two of lafayette's goals came in the last minute. so uh... who was suppose to beat rockhurst this year?

RockLaxx21

04-21-2007, 03:22 PM

13-11 OT close estimation, even though thats impossible anyway

im tired of these estimations acting like they know our team, none of your guys' estimations are ever close stop playing Vegas booky

Eclipse

04-21-2007, 04:20 PM

Everyone on here gives Rockhurst mad props...why do you guys have to come talk on here like you have a chip on your shoulder or something to prove?

Your the returning state champions..and everyone knows, respects, and says you guys are the best in the state. Relax.

the ice box

04-21-2007, 04:58 PM

when does cbc and kirkwood play?

hurst022

04-21-2007, 05:06 PM

hickman 6 vianny 2

gjjjjt

04-21-2007, 08:22 PM

MOre teams dropped out of the potential wildcard pool. Here are the teams out of the playoffs altogether and those out of the wildcard as of April 21:

Out of Playoffs:
Eureka
Hazelwood
Wentzville
Shawnee Mission East
Ft Zumwalt

Out of Wildcard:
Lindbergh
Chaminade
Rockwood
Webster Groves
Shawnee Mission South
Clayton
PW North
Springfield
Rockbridge

POCK3Ts

04-21-2007, 08:56 PM

ladue 12 blue valley west 4

pshlax18

04-22-2007, 04:20 PM

so much for that 13-11 overtime win with lafayette over rockhurst. rock put them away 13-4 and two of lafayette's goals came in the last minute. so uh... who was suppose to beat rockhurst this year?
If we get an STL team together to play at the end of the year, my money is on the STL team

gjjjjt

04-22-2007, 05:37 PM

What happened to Ladue vs Rockhurst?

POCK3Ts

04-22-2007, 06:21 PM

it was cancelled/postponed because they didnt have their field and they couldnt find a different one to play. we are trying to reschedule it but its gettin late in the season and we have pretty full schedule with all our conference games left. i will let you know when we hear if were playin it or not

laxmonster54

04-23-2007, 06:39 AM

Hickman 17
Shawnee Mission East 3

hurst022

04-23-2007, 01:29 PM

yo it was 18....i got that last goal with 9 seconds left lol
they didnt put it on the scoreboard cuz we were up by so much

pshlax18

04-23-2007, 01:56 PM

just to let you know, when you are up by any significant amount(especially 14) near the end of a game, you should hold the ball and not even think about shooting. Thats just poor sportsmanship.

Eclipse

04-23-2007, 03:01 PM

http://westsidelax.com/index.php?index

Big article on the Looby twins front page.

For everyone who doesnt check out Westside Lax..do it. Its an awesome site that covers all lax basically west of the mississippi. They always have good coverage of Missouri High School games, Missouri Recruiting, and all that good stuff.

gjjjjt

04-23-2007, 07:42 PM

Olathe is the latest casualty as they bow out of the playoff contenders list after a 10 - 9 loss to Webster Groves on April 22.

QPLax11

04-23-2007, 08:34 PM

we know not to do that. but hurst is the goalie, and for some rediculously odd reason, our coach decided to put him at attack for the 4th quarter...

gjjjjt

04-23-2007, 08:36 PM

Here's my prediction for the wildcard: PW West or Ladue.

West needs to beat Hickman as their main roadblock to gain enough points to be in the wildcard hunt by season end. Kirkwood and CBC look to be too strong to be passed for the top 2 as the favorites in the Central conference.

Ladue may have trouble finishing in the top 2 in their conference, with MICDS and PW Central looking strongest in the east conference. I think they will be at 15 points at season's close. That may be enough for the wildcard or at least a tie.

Lafayette is the class of the west, with Lindbergh holding on and hoping for a win over SLUH. If SLUH beats Lindbergh, it will be LAfayette and SLUH and no one else eligible for the wildcard.

IN the North conference, it looks like DeSmet and Parkway South with Chaminade hoping to somehow upset South later this season. If not, no one else has enough pointsfor the wildcard.

It's Blue Valley West or Aquinas in the Kansas Conference. ONly one goes while the other stays home. SM South has a remote chance, but a lot needs to happen for them.

Rockhurst is the class of the Mo-West-Mo conference. After that, Hickman is probably the favorite with Pembroke Hill very close. It's probably HIckman's to lose for the #2 spot. One stumble in conference vs Pembroke, Springfield or Rockbridge and they could be looking in from the outside.

vhslax18

04-23-2007, 08:58 PM

vianney JV 9-0..... beat kirkwood today 5-4 OT

fenderstrat3578

04-23-2007, 09:42 PM

SLUH over Lindbergh, doubt it will be close

kojak89

04-23-2007, 10:08 PM

kirkwood- 8-2 over vianney....varsity

gjjjjt

04-24-2007, 06:43 AM

Rockwood is officially out of playoff contention with their loss to PW South April 23.

Laxx1989

04-24-2007, 09:07 AM

Can people please post where the top seniors at their HS are going next year to play? Or if anyone knows other top players and where they are going. I'd like to see.

Laxx1989

04-24-2007, 09:10 AM

Can people please list the seniors from their HSs and tell where they are all going to play next year? I would be interested to see

pshlax18

04-24-2007, 09:48 AM

Can people please list the seniors from their HSs and tell where they are all going to play next year? I would be interested to see
Nathan Baker-Lindenwood
Mickey Wendling-Lindenwood
Luke Stevenson-Possibly Lindenwood

There are other great players on our team such as Kyle Gould and Ryan Self who have chosen to not play in college

STLGURU

04-24-2007, 10:39 AM

Players I know have secured a spot on their college teams:
Drew Koeneman - Washington & Lee (D3)
Kevin Looby - Trinity (D3)
Paul Reintjes - Hobart (D1)
Mark Prey - Fontbonne (D3)
Reilly Hannapel - Ursinus (D3)

Guys I'm not so sure will play (either by choice or will not make their college teams):
Colin Looby - Navy
All the Manhattan and Mercyhurst commitments
The one VMI kid listed on LaxPower

sta lacrosse

04-24-2007, 03:44 PM

Alright i know this thread was typically meant for varsity talk but well watever. Anyways im awae that as of late and before hand rockhurst has been the team to beat, atleast in varsity. But overall their frosh/jv teams arent to special. My friends play for my local high school and well lets say their a little below average. Well a couple of games ago they played a game against rock and i was there to see it. That rock team isnt very special. They only won by 2 and they had about a trillion guys on the sidelines and the only kid that was mildly good was a big attackmen who just trampled to the crease and shot. I dont know if this is just because there were so many guys on the sidelines that the better players didnt get very much playing time or their young and not all of them kno what their doing. But still for my friends "alright" team to put up a fight besides playing pretty badly. to me it seems like the rock is going downhill. (this just based on my experience in watching these games).

By the way im not biased for my friends high school because im not going there and my dad went to rockhurst

12&20sDad

04-24-2007, 04:28 PM

Guys I'm not so sure will play (either by choice or will not make their college teams):
Colin Looby - Navy
All the Manhattan and Mercyhurst commitments
The one VMI kid listed on LaxPower

Not sure where you are coming from with this one, Mr. Guru. First for the situation I know. Colin has chosen to play at Navy. Just as importantly, they chose him. As for you suggesting he will not make the team, ask Head Coach Richie Meade. He made the initial contact. Ask new Assistant Coach Ryan Moran. He arranged our contacts. Ask Assistant Head Coach John Tillman. He took us through the admissions process. Why did they take the time? Because they believe Colin can contribute to their team. They saw him at three different camps last summer, including one at the Academy where Colin played for All American goalie Matt Russell in the All Star game, and had an outstanding game. They saw him and liked what they saw. I trust their judgement. I don't know what you base your conclusion on, but it can't be from having watched him play.

With regard to the other players you refer to, I don't know about their situations. But in the interest of the new, positive tone of this thread (thanks, Jaron, for your continued efforts to keep it positive, and best of luck on the rest of the season), as these boys are about to end one chapter and begin another, wouldn't it be better to simply wish them good luck, rather than writing off their college athletic careers before they even graduate from high school???

fenderstrat3578

04-24-2007, 06:29 PM

MICDS over DeSmet, 11-5. 10-1 at half

pshlax18

04-24-2007, 06:30 PM

well i can see where STLGURU is coming from. There are some players that i cannot believe are going to some schools to play because they are obviously not skilled enough to do so. It makes us as players feel like we got the short end of the rope when we see a player that is at an equal or lesser play than us going to play at a better school

Laxgoalie54

04-24-2007, 08:28 PM

Well the seasons only got a couple of weeks left and two or three teams are starting to emerge out of the packs of teams from STL, MICDS, Desmet, and CBC are all starting to seperate themselves from the rest of Stl but however parkway south, west and k-wood could upset any team in the playoffs if they make it. however MICDS is starting to look like the team to beat since they pretty much controlled the game against DESMET and the score was 10-1 at half when I left, I think MICDS would actually put up a decent fight against Hurst b/c desmet came with in 3 or 2 goals of hurst and besides MICDS' team is very young they have 2 sophmores that start and a freshman middie that gets alot of pt this very young team led by a handful of Senior starters that have had three year experience on varsity. The team is starting to build great chemistry and is playing mistake free as of late if they can take this momentum into the rockhurst game, there might just be an upset.

lax A lot 67

04-24-2007, 09:09 PM

well, thats a kind of valid point, except rockhurst already beat MICDS 11-2 at the start of the season. Also, MICDS may be maturing as a team, but so has rockhurst, more games playing together for any team will build up team chemistry. i think its a little early to say that it will be an upset, because rockhurst is still far out in front. and really, a nine point loss to a team that should of won by more except they played like crap in the second half is going to be a huge challenge to MICDS.
also, pshlax18 are you saying that either looby or those guys from desmet arent good enough to play on those teams, because somehow those coaches noticed them and recruited them. i agree with you that chris kaiser needs to step up his game considerably; in the rockhurst versus desmet game, he didnt really do anything. However, i dont really thing its a good thing to say that they cant make it, they are obviously good enough to get noticed so they should be commended for that.

pshlax18

04-24-2007, 09:56 PM

im not saying anything about the looby twins-theyre both great players. I also am not saying anything about erich smith, another great player. my interest lies with players that i dont believe should be playing D1 lax for great programs(at least not yet). a player that ive pointed out in the past is chris kaiser because i have a firm belief that he is not ready for that type of play. ive played with him before, and ive seen him play this year. i talked to his dad last fall/winter about chris's plans and how he chose manhattan-it was not the school looking at him and asking him to play, rather him looking at the school and asking the coach to be on the team(which deserves respect because that shows desire and initiative), but i dont consider him a D1 recruit. thats my opinion and its nothing personal to chris-i used to play soccer with him-i just have my beliefs

cmriocsdsse09

04-24-2007, 10:23 PM

well, thats a kind of valid point, except rockhurst already beat MICDS 11-2 at the start of the season. Also, MICDS may be maturing as a team, but so has rockhurst, more games playing together for any team will build up team chemistry.

Ya but rockhurst played with each other last year...they didnt graduate a lot of people. They've known how to play with each other the past couple years. MICDS has like 5 sophmores and 2 freshman who had never experience varsity time and played with the juniors and seniors

Laxmaster2022

04-24-2007, 11:22 PM

Kaiser is having a bad year more or less, but I have no doubt he will rise to the challenge of collegiate level lacrosse like everybody else who is playing up next year. Chris's size, speed, and stamina are huge advantages. You need to be a big person to play D1, I know a sick player who couldn't keep playing at Notre Dame soley because he was about 5 foot 6 or so (all american in STL). As far as his lacrosse abilities go, he is having trouble with consistency (as well as a majority of the Desmet roster). Another argument is that he is definetly being marked by all of the teams top defensive players when on the field, which can make it hard to stand out. Needless to say, when you play bad you play bad. If you ask me he is very capable of competing on a D1 level, but like all of you mentioned he definetly needs to step up and be a finisher.

Laxgoalie54

04-24-2007, 11:44 PM

Kaiser is the most overrated player in MO, and Drew Koeneman deserves alot more respect than he recieves, he is the heart and sould of the MICDS team, (a winning team unlike Desmet) and he had offers from Notre Dame and other big time D-1 schools he just did not want the commitment I am guessing, and to prove how valuable he is to the MICDS Team it is an ironic stat but he has two overtime game winning goals in like 8 games, these types of overtime games gives the MICDS team more experience under pressure situations and they have a go to guy that regardless of anything will get the job done, the only reason he did not do so against rockhurst is because they would at times even triple team him and on the days that he gets just a bit of help from other seniors or two outstanding junior attacks in Spencer Minton and Brendan Lyss he makes sure that MICDS does not lose. Basically my point is that if the seniors show up and with the help of the young new players MICDS can be very dangerous. One thing that is not an opiniated difference between the Rockhurst vs MICDS game and now is the fact that MICDS switched a sophmore middie idk his name, but they switched him to starting attack like 3 or 4 games ago and he has scored 8 goals since, 3 against desmet......Nothing against Rockhurst they are the team to beat MICDS is just the closest underdog that might pull it off.

thedamnedfan

04-25-2007, 12:16 AM

I am moving to the Kansas City area and am curious what the area, wether it be KC or STL, has to offer for lacrosse during the summer.

I also have a younger brother that will be attending school in the Shawnee Mission East district. Is there any good players from there? I saw on laxpower that they have yet to win and lost to Rockhurst 1-27 I think. Is it their defense, goalie, coaches?

Eclipse

04-25-2007, 12:34 AM

Shawnee Mission has never been a strong program, and Rockhurst is just that good. Coming from Wisconsin your brother is going to have a large stepup ahead of him playing some of the competition he is going to see. Beleive me, as you know Tony...I did the exact same thing my Senior year.

Pottyboy55

04-25-2007, 10:06 AM

gjjjjt

04-25-2007, 10:29 AM

There are a lot of games left (a little less than 100), but here are my predictions for the playoffs and their seedings:

1. MICDS (they can get more points than Rockhurst even if they lose 1 or 2 more games)
2. Rockhurst
3. CBC
4. Kirkwood
5. Lafayette
6. DeSmet
7. PW South
8. SLUH
9. PW Central
10. Hickman
11. BV West
12. Ladue

just out of the picture
13. PW West
14. Lindbergh
15. Aquinas
16. Vianney

A few upsets and it could jumble the seedings, but those are the teams that should be there with maybe PW West jumping in ahead of Ladue. No other team really has a chance unless they can upset the top 2 in their conferences.

gjjjjt

04-25-2007, 10:43 AM

Anyone know what happened last night:

SLUH vs Lindbergh
Chaminade vs Webster
PW North vs Fox
Rockhurst vs Olathe

Laxgoalie54

04-25-2007, 10:49 AM

potty i think burkhart is the best goalie in MO he has stepped up his game to a new level and he is playing just as good as brunt if not better but idk if he's playing better than the previous micds goalie who ever that was....

pshlax18

04-25-2007, 10:57 AM

prey and gould are the best goalies in the state that i have seen so far

Laxgoalie54

04-25-2007, 12:07 PM

Well wait till u see burkhart play he has been playing at a level unlike any I have seen from any goalie so far, I have seen the Central goalie, Rockhurst, and Kirkwood and all of them were not nearly as good as how Burkhart has been playing as of late, he saves the ones you're supposed to and then on fastbreaks and mandown situations Burkhart makes the tough saves that he is not supposed to make, these saves along with Koenemans ot goals made sure MICDS did not lose to SLUH or KIRKWOOD

Laxx1989

04-25-2007, 02:12 PM

Where is Lauber going?

LaxBeast

04-25-2007, 04:15 PM

Just a quick note: Anyone who is a legitimate D1 player should be able to beat a lockoff, the best pole in the state (not all the time, I know how good Rockhurst's pole is...but they shouldn't get shut out), or double teams. Whether this is done through speed, strength, or intelligence, it is something that has to be developed. Those who are considered the best players in the state should be the ones that rise to the occasion against the best competition, and can dictate where the game is headed when they are on the field.

sta lacrosse

04-25-2007, 06:39 PM

gjjjjt the rockhurst vs. olathe gam was canceled in the first half. At the canceled mark the score was like 8 to 1 rockhurst.

Laxgoalie54

04-25-2007, 07:22 PM

n e one know who won between i think it was psh and kirkwood

yallaintgood

04-25-2007, 07:36 PM

hey I play goalie at the jv level and I was wondering who some of the best varcity goalies were. I have seen the micds goalie burkhart play and the kirkwood goalie too and they are well in netminding. who are the top picks for goalies? will any get All State honors, or what about all american?

haha its teddy potter not some jv goalie!!! last year he was that girl from nerinx or whereever. Teddy you got some identity issues?

but to answer that prey has a chance at making all-american, i dont care what anybody says, that guy is flatout the best goalie this state has seen!
gehling will probably get it even thought he had a weak preformance against rock,
rock has a couple choice for aa with thier four seniors, looby bros, rientous, and hannapel so it ll be fun to see if rock kinda starts falling apart late this season as those four try to pull for aa
smith will also e a big contender so who knows,
btw when is the meeting for that? before playoffs or during?

gjjjjt

04-25-2007, 08:18 PM

Kirkwood 15
PW South 6

kojak89

04-25-2007, 08:18 PM

kwood beat south 15 to 6....they played decent considering they were without gould...suspension or something....and lauber is looking at a D1 school and a D3, but i forgot the names of them, also lindenwood coach has been talking to him

Laxgoalie54

04-25-2007, 08:20 PM

well i mean his screen name thing gives it away obviously and um ya but preys good and all but burkhardt if he stays like how he has been playing he might just win all-state

Laxgoalie54

04-25-2007, 08:34 PM

Who are probably going to be the all-americans from stl, we already know the looby bros are prlly gonna deservingly win it

kwlacrosse11

04-25-2007, 10:49 PM

PTH

04-25-2007, 11:38 PM

sluh v lindbergh game was canceled on tue. but it was played today. sluh over lindbergh 12-1. that puts lindbergh out of playoff contention. so that division is locked down, sluh & lafayette are already in the playoffs, only thing left is who gets the higher seed.

Chaminademid

04-25-2007, 11:48 PM

I heard Gould quit South's team, is there any truth to this (Psouth guys especially some input would be nice) or is it just a rumor floating around?

Tuesday night's games might have been cancelled, i know ours was

gjjjjt

04-26-2007, 06:25 AM

When South played Springfield last Sunday, the South coach said they were having some issues at goalie. He may have played the backup, I'm not sure since I'm not familiar with the players on PW South.

gjjjjt

04-26-2007, 07:25 AM

The playoff picture is gettin clearer with SLUH clinching a spot last night.

If Kirkwood defeats Fox on Friday, Kirkwood and CBC clinch the top two spots in conference setting up their May 1 matchup for their conference champion. PW West has the wildcard in its hands if they can win their remaining games. Their key is the Hickman game. If they lose that one, they will need to win their remaining games, including defeating MICDS on May 10 for a chance.

Lindbergh, despite an 8 - 4 league record, is now out of the playoff picture with their loss to SLUH. THey can finish with an 11 - 4 league record and still not have enough points (9 max) to qualify for the wildcard.

Ladue (currently 3 - 5 in the league and a guaranteed 13 points) on the other hand could lose their remaining games, finish at 3 - 11, and may still make the playoffs as the wildcard. Probably it will take 15 points to be the wildcard team, so a Ladue 5 - 9 record would put them at least at 15.

For those interested in the Kansas teams, the May 3 matchup between Aquinas and BV West will probably decide that conference's lone representative in the playoffs. The loser will be out.

fenderstrat3578

04-26-2007, 09:21 AM

1. rockhurst
2. cbc
3. lafayette
4. kirkwood
5. micds
6. parkway west
7. desmet
8. parkway central
9. parkway South
10. sluh

ROCKHURST is showing that they are the best. CBC is good but they are mainly a transition team, if you slow them down they're beatable. LAFAYETTE strong all around except the goalie is some what weak compared to the rest. KIRKWOOD defense is very good and offense has the "weapons" MICDS koeneman seems to be the team PWEST couple standouts on offense and doesn't give up DESMET knows how to win, dealing with injuries PCENTRAL small team but quick PSOUTH small in numbers but has decent talent all around SLUH young but athletic

SLUH beat Central. Parkway West did lose to P Central, keep that in mind. I don't think that K'wood deserves the #4 spot...They are doing well, but they LOST to MICDS, also, if you are going to blame that on weather or anything, then DeSmet should be above them seeing as how DeSmet had NOBODY when the season began. Kirkwood has proved themselves as contenders, but is not quite a top 5 in my opinion. And should South really be on there? And why would they be above SLUH

pshlax18

04-26-2007, 10:17 AM

SLUH beat Central. Parkway West did lose to P Central, keep that in mind. I don't think that K'wood deserves the #4 spot...They are doing well, but they LOST to MICDS, also, if you are going to blame that on weather or anything, then DeSmet should be above them seeing as how DeSmet had NOBODY when the season began. Kirkwood has proved themselves as contenders, but is not quite a top 5 in my opinion. And should South really be on there? And why would they be above SLUH
The only way south would not make it into the playoffs is if we lose to chaminade, along with other factors. So yes, i do think south should really be on there

pshlax18

04-26-2007, 10:28 AM

and with regards to gould-problems have occured but are being solved at the moment. he will be back for playoffs for sure

cmriocsdsse09

04-26-2007, 07:29 PM

micds beat ladue 6-1 on saturday

the ice box

04-26-2007, 08:11 PM

cbc i think has one of the best goalies in the state from what i've seen him play

qplax48

04-26-2007, 08:41 PM

we (hickman) got killed when we played central but i wasnt really that impressed with them...they were good but if we had all our startes i think it would have been a close game. they basically played our jv team plus two varsity kids haha. i hear west is good this year though....i cant wait to play them...theyve beaten us the past two years in overtime so im pretty pumped to take it to them. who are their best players?

gjjjjt

04-26-2007, 09:30 PM

Laxpower is reporting Ladue over PW Central 4 - 3. That throws a bit of an upset into my predictions. Right now, Ladue and VIanney hold the upper hand for 2nd place in the STL East. PW Central is the new favorite for the wildcard. PW West is in the running, but now must win virtually all its remaining games to possibly finish ahead of Central for the wildcard.

vhslax18

04-26-2007, 09:54 PM

anyone know how micds jv and varisty r doin?

POCK3Ts

04-26-2007, 10:18 PM

no laxpower is wrong it was pcentral over ladue 4-3 it was a really close game to the end both teams played well especially under the weather conditions

CoachFauss

04-26-2007, 10:18 PM

gjjjjt

04-27-2007, 06:04 AM

Well... Disregard the flip flop. It now / still looks like Ladue and PW West as the teams fighting it out for the wildcard in my books.

kojak89

04-27-2007, 07:31 PM

kirkwood beat fox today....so we have locked up a playoff spot

laxmonster54

04-28-2007, 08:23 AM

Hickman plays olathe today and parkway west tomarrow.

hows springfeild looking this year?

Laxmaster2022

04-28-2007, 10:30 AM

This morning around 8:30 the head coach for Desmet, Mike Sennett, had a heart attack before breakfast. They were playing travel games this weekend in Culver, Indiana. He was the best coach I've had in any sport, and his death is truly a loss. R.I.P. Mike Sennett.

No information on the services yet.

CBCLAX13

04-28-2007, 01:04 PM

I heard Coach Sennett passed away

Chaminademid

04-28-2007, 03:40 PM

best wishes to Coach Sennett, his family, and the entire DeSmet and lacrosse communities.

patslax29

04-28-2007, 05:43 PM

Our deepest sympathy to Coach Sennet's family and the entire DeSmet Lacrosse team.[B][U]
Parkway South

cmriocsdsse09

04-28-2007, 05:52 PM

rip coach sennet

hurst022

04-28-2007, 06:41 PM

i give my condolences to the family, players and friends of coach sennet. im truly sorry to hear about your loss. best of luck

lax35

04-28-2007, 09:12 PM

Coach Sennett will be missed. He was an instrumental part of the growth of lacrosse not only in Missouri, but also in the midwest as a whole. His endless commitment to not only HIS players but every player in the sport is a trait that is not a common occurence. Having both played and coached against Mike for a number of years my respect for not only the coach but also the man has grown year by year. In a non-sanctioned, all too often underappreciated and misunderstood High School sport like lacrosse, Mike has been such a strong voice in the acedemic and athletic lives of all who have come into contact with him. Mike was a coach, teacher, father figure, and friend. It may never be fully known how many lives he touched. Personally I know that every time I competed with one of his teams I had no choice but step up my game. Everyone associated with Desmet Lacrosse should know that the lacrosse community's thoughts and prayers are with both them and Mike's family. Thanks for everything Mike.

HawkletLax

04-29-2007, 11:20 AM

any freshmen in here?
do you know the seeds for the freshmen tournament this friday @ CBC
i know Rockhurst is #1 but i am jus wondering about everyone else.
thanks

CBCLAX13

04-29-2007, 11:34 AM

I am no freshman, but I don't think there are seeds, you are grouped with 4 teams, and the top two from each group advance

HawkletLax

04-29-2007, 04:23 PM

hey thanks man, i was jus wondering how it was set up

PshLax12

04-29-2007, 10:21 PM

RIP Coach Sennet

Any scores from the weekend?
Friday night: Laf 14 P South 10
Gerry Jehlings pretty nuts

hurst022

04-29-2007, 10:24 PM

hickman beat olate 14 to 8 and lost to parkway west 7-9

roadlax

04-30-2007, 08:19 AM

Prayers and concolences for the Sennett family, DeSmet family and Missouri lacrosse family.

Lax Coach

04-30-2007, 04:39 PM

I was saddened to hear of the death of Coach Mike Sennett and my prayers and sympathies are extended to Mike's family, the Desmet community and all his players and alums. Mike served as a cornerstone on which Missouri lacrosse was founded and built. Along with Ren Pettinelli, men like him set the standard for which to strive in the quality of teams and coaching they maintain year in and year out.
When we were starting the team at Rockhurst, Mike was a great inspiration and his intensity and love for the game was infectious. I truly respected him for such conviction and hard work despite the personal toll which I know this takes over time in stress and time away from one's family.
I know the Missouri Lacrosse community and all its wonderful benefactors will recognize and honor his memory as a great builder in the history of the sport in the Show Me State.

We at St. Paul's Jesuit High School in Winnipeg Canada will say mass on Mike's behalf on Thursday and our prayers are with all of you.

Alan Carruthers
Former Rockhurst Coach
Vice Principal @ St. Paul's Jesuit
Winnipeg, Manitoba

kwlacrosse11

04-30-2007, 06:54 PM

They'de be above SLUH because they still know how to win and have alot of talent. They did beat cbc. sluh was also an easier win for us than desmet was and other teams

cmriocsdsse09

04-30-2007, 09:33 PM

any news on games lately?

gjjjjt

05-01-2007, 07:57 AM

For anyone interested, tonight's May 1 games are probably the most interesting as all have playoff implications:

Lafayette vs SLUH: Winner is the conference champ. Loser is # 2. Both are already in the playoffs.

CBC vs Kirkwood: Winner is the conference champ. If Kirkwood loses, there is still a remote chance PW North can tie Kirkwood if North wins its remaining games, including a matchup with Kirkwood. That would give North 2nd place.

PW West vs Fox. Fox is already out. PW West needs to continue to win to stay in the wildcard pool.

Ft. Zumwalt vs PW North: Ft Zumwalt is out. PW North needs to win and hope for a Kirkwood loss to keep their hopes alive.

Vianney vs PW Central: Both teams are still alive for the # 2 position in conference. Winner takes charge of the # 2 position. MICDS has already clinched # 1.

Rockhurst vs Ladue (rescheduled game): More points for both teams.

fenderstrat3578

05-01-2007, 06:08 PM

anybody know if the CBC game will still be on tonight?

CoachFauss

05-01-2007, 08:08 PM

PTH

05-01-2007, 08:08 PM

i think that all the games were canceled tonight. i know the ladue v rockhurst & sluh v lafayette were both canceled. that really sucks for rockhurst, drive 5 hours, get all the way to the field, & turn around and go home without hardly stepping foot outside the bus. rough.

QPLax11

05-01-2007, 08:52 PM

god! parkway south got smashed by micds haha

and wouldnt it be like a 4 hour trip? lol ive never had to drive somewhere and not play. i feel bad for them.

hurst022

05-01-2007, 10:34 PM

the rockhurst game was played a little bit it was 4-1 when they called it but i hear it was like 2 min into the game

CoachFauss

05-01-2007, 11:03 PM

the rockhurst game was played a little bit it was 4-1 when they called it but i hear it was like 2 min into the game

You heard wrong. We had to take cover after the first quarter.

We tried to wait it out but at 6:00 we decided to call the game so that Rockhurst could head out of town and we were hoping that Lafayette could get their game in vs. SLUH.

Madman lax

05-02-2007, 10:26 AM

yeah I was at the game last night. CBC won 9-3. it was played at Lindenwood and delayed for awhile. CBC's goalie was pretty sick.

hurst022

05-02-2007, 11:08 AM

You heard wrong. We had to take cover after the first quarter.

We tried to wait it out but at 6:00 we decided to call the game so that Rockhurst could head out of town and we were hoping that Lafayette could get their game in vs. SLUH.

my apologies i heard from a second rate source so oh well. when is your game rescheduled? we were supposed to play them tonight but its changed to Sunday cuz of bad weather?

Pottyboy55

05-02-2007, 11:16 AM

Scott Bluhm, Paul Reintjes, Reilly Hannapel, Steve Repke, Dusty Kunce, and Both the Looby's Eat Corn For Breakfast

pshlax18

05-02-2007, 01:56 PM

god! parkway south got smashed by micds haha

and wouldnt it be like a 4 hour trip? lol ive never had to drive somewhere and not play. i feel bad for them.

No arguments there. We know what we did wrong. I guess we can at least say we beat you guys.

hurst022

05-02-2007, 03:06 PM

No arguments there. We know what we did wrong. I guess we can at least say we beat you guys.

ya that was a good game, hopefully we get to play yall again in the playoffs. We lost to PWW too, ma up couldnt take advantage of opportunities.

QPLax11

05-02-2007, 03:35 PM

hahaha. what does that have to do with anything?

POCK3Ts

05-02-2007, 06:33 PM

my apologies i heard from a second rate source so oh well. when is your game rescheduled? we were supposed to play them tonight but its changed to Sunday cuz of bad weather?

were not reschedulin it went down in the books as a 4-1 final

yallaintgood

05-02-2007, 07:22 PM

i guess ladue must be the second best team in the state, i dont think anyone else will play rockhurst that closely lol...and this isnt a knock on ladue its just funny

POCK3Ts

05-02-2007, 08:39 PM

that sounds to me like a pretty big insult. but maybe that just how im taking it cuase u wouldnt have said its not a knock on ladue if u didnt mean it to be. those kinda comments are just unnecessary

yallaintgood

05-02-2007, 08:45 PM

that sounds to me like a pretty big insult. but maybe that just how im taking it cuase u wouldnt have said its not a knock on ladue if u didnt mean it to be. those kinda comments are just unnecessary
no sense of humor...i guess, unless of course you do think you are the second best team in the state...which you may be, never seen you play

POCK3Ts

05-02-2007, 08:58 PM

def not sayin were the second best team. i know that. i just dont think that comment was necessary and is just bashin on ladue

wolfie8914

05-02-2007, 09:06 PM

Yea I would say it's safe to say Ladue is the no. 2 team in state.

hurst022

05-02-2007, 10:51 PM

a hint of over zealous sarcasm there? haha oh well its all good. We play RH on Sunday so we will see how we fare. anyone wanna take bets on beating the 3 pt spread? j/k

Eclipse

05-02-2007, 11:02 PM

Yallaintgood...you going to Manhattan?

RockLaxx21

05-02-2007, 11:48 PM

Scott Bluhm, Paul Reintjes, Reilly Hannapel, Steve Repke, Dusty Kunce, and Both the Looby's Eat Corn For Breakfast

wow teddy, a little out of context?

stloulax

05-03-2007, 07:10 PM

desmet over webster 15-4

wglax18

05-03-2007, 08:48 PM

Desmet 15 to 4 over webster. Webster didn't play a bad game, their goalie is just terrible.

gjjjjt

05-03-2007, 09:20 PM

Laxpower is reporting St Thomas Aquinas over BV West 12 - 11. Aquinas needs to beat Shawnee Mission South to clinch the only spot from the Kansas conference. If SM South can somehow beat Aquinas and Olathe, that would set up a 3 way tie between Aquinas, BV West and SM South. SM South was supposed to play Olathe last night. Anyone know if that game was played?

CoachFauss

05-03-2007, 10:24 PM

Laxpower is reporting St Thomas Aquinas over BV West 12 - 11. Aquinas needs to beat Shawnee Mission East to clinch the only spot from the Kansas conference. If SM East can somehow beat Aquinas and Olathe, that would set up a 3 way tie between Aquinas, BV West and SM South. SM South was supposed to play Olathe last night. Anyone know if that game was played?

Has Aquinas only played 6 games this year (including today)?

cmriocsdsse09

05-03-2007, 11:25 PM

cbc lost to micds 6 to 8

gjjjjt

05-04-2007, 07:14 AM

Aquinas has 6 games not played as of May 4 morning. THey have Lindbergh MAy 4, Hickman MAy 5, PW West May 11, CBC May 6. THey were supposed to play SM South April 25 and PW SOuth April 29. MAybe those were rained out and rescheduled. Aquinas needs only to beat SM South or for South to lose to Olathe (also rescheduled?) to be their conference champs. Otherwise, the remaining games are just for points for seedings in the playoffs.

oldno24

05-04-2007, 01:11 PM

Desmet 15 to 4 over webster. Webster didn't play a bad game, their goalie is just terrible.

This coming from what appears to a Webster guy...ouch.

fenderstrat3578

05-04-2007, 04:04 PM

Good job DeSmet on getting the first game w/o Coach Sennet under their belt as a win. Good luck spartans

HawkletLax

05-05-2007, 10:36 PM

does anyone have results for the freshmen tournament at CBC
i know rockhurst,me, went undefeated but what bout the other teams?

Laxmaster2022

05-06-2007, 01:31 AM

desmet 12 - sluh 10

stlvskc

05-07-2007, 06:16 PM

hawkletlax, you can just be done on here

pshwarriorlax17

05-07-2007, 07:29 PM

So what does the playoff situation look like who's in and what seeds are they?

fenderstrat3578

05-07-2007, 08:47 PM

did CBC clinch their division? why have they not updated whos in or out on MOLAX.ORG

vhslax18

05-07-2007, 09:22 PM

Vianney won 7-1 against CCP

QPLax11

05-07-2007, 09:30 PM

who is CCP?

cmriocsdsse09

05-07-2007, 09:31 PM

chaminade?

CoachFauss

05-07-2007, 11:32 PM

did CBC clinch their division? why have they not updated whos in or out on MOLAX.ORG

From what I've come up with, here are the current standings based on points. The number in parentheses is the number of potential points a team can still get. Teams in bold have won their division (5 bonus points). Some teams have wrapped up at least 1st or 2nd in their division but the winner hasn't been determined yet so they don't have the points added.

If something looks wrong, please let me know...

Rockhurst 27 (1)
MICDS 25 (4)
CBC 25 (1)
Kirkwood 24 (1)
Parkway South 20 (1)
Lafayette 19 (4)
Desmet 17 (2)
Ladue 13 (2)
Parkway Central 13 (7)
SLUH 12 (6)
Pembroke Hill 11 (2)
Parkway West 11 (6)
Hickman 9 (5)
Clayton 8 (2)
Vianney 8 (6)
Lindbergh 8 (1)
Fox 6 (7)
Blue Valley West 5 (4)
Chaminade 4 (3)
Wentzville 4 (2)
Parkway North 4 (5)
Eureka 3 (4)
St. Thomas Aquinas 2 (8)
Ft. Zumwalt 2 (4)
Springfield 0 (3)
Rockbridge 0 (3)
Olathe -1 (5)
Shawnee Mission East -1 (1)
Rockwood Summit -2 (4)
Webster Groves -2 (3)
Shawnee Mission South -2 (6)
Hazelwood -4 (3)

Conference Leaders/Predictions

KC MO - Rockhurst wins the conference, 2nd place seems wide open still but I would anticipate the Hickman/Pembroke winner getting 2nd

STL North - Parkway South or Desmet wins with the loser of that game coming in 2nd

STL East - MICDS wins the conference, Vianney wins the conference if they beat Ladue and Parkway Central, Central wins if they beat Vianney

KC KS - Aquinas makes the playoffs if they beat Shawnee Mission South. If South wins, then it's a mess and I don't know all of the tiebreakers. No one else from this conference will make the playoffs. The winner of this conference will probably be the #12 seed even with the 5 bonus points.

STL West - Lafayette/SLUH winner will win the conference and the loser will finish 2nd.

STL Central - CBC has won the conference. Kirkwood will finish 2nd if they beat Parkway North. If North wins out in their conference, then it could be a tie with Parkway West and Kirkwood for 2nd. Not sure what the tiebreaker is with 3 teams

It looks like the wildcard will come down to Parkway West and Ladue. Parkway West controls their own destiny. If they win out, they're in with 17 points. The best Ladue can do is 15 points.

Anyone out there have any other thoughts on who's in and who's out?

Laxgoalie54

05-08-2007, 08:27 AM

http://prepsports3.stltoday.com/lacrosseboys/07/stats/lead397.shtm
this is why MICDS goalie Jack Burkhardt deserves all-state and all-american honors I know he has a great defense and what not but still he has gotten the most shots and the most saves, his save percentage is over 80% that is unreal and those stats were before his stellar performances against parkway south and CBC, the rams would have lost against CBC if he did not show up big. I don't know him personally but I wish our varsity team had him.

STLGURU

05-08-2007, 09:58 AM

burkhart does make a lot of great saves.
im pretty sure he was the reason MICDS beat CBC.
I saw a few fastbreaks where he just stoned a few CBC guys from 3 feet out and started transition the other way.

STLGURU

05-08-2007, 10:00 AM

CoachFauss,
Judging from your list, looks like MICDS would be the #1 seed if they beat Laf and Pwest.
Wouldn't that be weird/wrong?

CoachFauss

05-08-2007, 10:46 AM

CoachFauss,
Judging from your list, looks like MICDS would be the #1 seed if they beat Laf and Pwest.
Wouldn't that be weird/wrong?

MICDS would be the #1 seed if they win out. Because they played more playoff teams from last year, they had the opportunity to get more points. We made some changes to the point system again this year and I'm sure we'll have changes again next year as we continue to try and find the fairest way to determine the seeds.

oldno24

05-08-2007, 11:52 AM

Curious. Why not go with the Laxpower Rankings?

STLGURU

05-08-2007, 12:21 PM

because laxpower rankings are wrong.
micds has won every game in missouri this year except against Rockhurst, and according to laxpower they'd be the #4 or #5 seed.

CoachFauss

05-08-2007, 12:33 PM

Curious. Why not go with the Laxpower Rankings?

Laxpower also takes into account games played outside of Missouri which doesn't count in our rankings. It uses some kind of formula to determine the "best" team in the state but there's no input or voting from any of the coaches. It doesn't account for conference games by weighting them differently.

oldno24

05-08-2007, 01:38 PM

Good point Coach. Thanks...

Laxgoalie54

05-09-2007, 08:13 AM

well MICDS beat Lafayette 6-8 after being down 4-0 they came back and rallied burkhardt had like 7 point blank saves against lafayette. The refs in Missouri need to improve there was a helmet to helmet hit in the game and a player recieved a concussion and they did not call it. They also call the things not their such as when player dive they call loose ball push. Anyways besides their first quarter, it looks like MICDS is starting to be dangerous and Rockhurst should expect a much different opponent if they do meet up in the state championships. By the way that jerry kid can play he was really good against MICDS, but the balance of the MICDS team allowed them to win. Unlike the first rockhurst game all the other parts of the team are starting to be very effective and score rather than koeneman having to do it all.

lax A lot 67

05-09-2007, 08:27 AM

well alright thats cool, but lets be honest here; first, rockhurst was down 1-0 at most during their game against lafayette. also, they held the upper hand throughout that game, and never had to come back from being 4 down. micds beat lafayette by 2, rockhurst beat them by 9. also, jerry jehling was shut down for most of the game, exccept for the last two minutes in which he recorded his an assist when rock was two men down and a goal against rock's backups, including backup goalie. also, i know MICDS is coming together, but still, 11-2? cmon now...

Pottyboy55

05-09-2007, 10:42 AM

burkhardt is Ridiculous. AA absolutely. good luck

Laxgoalie54

05-09-2007, 10:48 AM

lax alot 12-1, the score in the second half was 2-1 and jerry only scored like a goal and had an assist against MICDS he was just sick with his stick skills and also MICDS did not have a starting attack that they have now, a middie-convert who scores 2 or 3 goals just about every game, also Burkhardt is getting in the zone and when your a goalie and you play well your confidence is really high and you save even more the next game and his confidence is at an all time high, also saltman and jack moulton from MICDS are starting to score and taking the load of off Koeneman who in the first rock game had to do it all and everyone else was dropping balls and what not, the truth is MICDS can run with rockhurst and the whole intimidation factor is one of the reasons other teams can't people go into a game against rockhurst expecting to lose but if a team doesnt and plays their best if MICDS does it is very possible to have a close game that can go either way

yallaintgood

05-09-2007, 11:00 AM

STLGURU

05-09-2007, 01:25 PM

in my opinion here is the short AA list ... a list of candidates, not set in stone. (don't kill me b/c its MICDS Rockhurst heavy but it's the truth, these kids are on another level physically and skill wise and are the ONLY ones who have performed on a college-potential level)

Goalie Candidates:
Mark Prey-he has done some amazing things for 4 full years now
Jack Burkhardt- having a ridiculous season... one of the best ever in MO

Defense:
Paul Reintjes

Mid:
Jehling
Koeneman
C. Looby

Att:
K Looby

To be perfectly honest, nobody else deserves consideration for AA. remember there are only 5 AA's per year. you really have to be on another level.

any other names are just candidates for 1st Team all-state, not AA. I know some will argue with Stats, but stats don't mean anything in this state, since you can pick up 7 points against weaker opponents any day. Teams like MICDS have been known to never run up the score and put their reserves in early in a blowout, which has hurt some of their better players in the past in AA voting, but stats are second to ability and athleticism. You will see erich smith and ryan self on the high scorers list, but they will probably admit themselves that they are not as good as a Colin Looby or a drew koeneman.

it would be a shame if the AA list included anybody besides these players listed above.

STLGURU

05-09-2007, 01:28 PM

STLGURU

05-09-2007, 01:31 PM

in response to this MICDS rockhurst talk, i'd say even though MICDS has clearly gotten better (to be expected with so many sophomores starting) ROckhurst has the advantage in athleticism, size, and experience. Theyve got players who played major roles last yr and even if the skill level is not there, experience tends to carry a team like that through the playoffs.

yallaintgood

05-09-2007, 06:12 PM

wanted to clear up what i said.
i'm didnt mean that burkhardt is one of the best GOALIES every in MO.
he's clearly not. there have been some amazing goalies in the past.

i meant to say that he is having one of the best years in terms of save-numbers, quality of those saves, etc.

this could partially be because the quality of offensive play is real crappy this year. even rockhurst would admit their offense is not NEARLY as good as last year. They are really just a shell of what they had with Degen Sear and the Loobys last yr.

overall the level of talent in MIssouri is down this year. Can anyone put a finger on WHY this happened and why the dropoff has been so huge?

um...i hate to be that guy...and i m not doing this to flame or whatvever tlf calls it...but personally i dont think the loobies are that good.... If you look at the desmet game this year in particular, idk if this is just me again, but it seemed to me rockhursts offesne is not built around the loobies...they just make it look that way beacsaue they are selfish players.... they are good and all, but i wasn't the only one who say about two or three guys open each time one of them drove. i think of of them should probably get aa, they are good indivual players, but crappy team players in my opinion, you rock guys on here can chime in if you like maybe i m completly wrong here but just throwing it out there...

lax A lot 67

05-09-2007, 07:38 PM

yallaintgood, who are you and what gives you standing to make such a harsh judgement? thats pretty rough stuff and im relatively certain thats its incorrect and it's just a biased opinion.

hurst022

05-09-2007, 08:18 PM

um...i hate to be that guy...and i m not doing this to flame or whatvever tlf calls it...but personally i dont think the loobies are that good.... If you look at the desmet game this year in particular, idk if this is just me again, but it seemed to me rockhursts offesne is not built around the loobies...they just make it look that way beacsaue they are selfish players.... they are good and all, but i wasn't the only one who say about two or three guys open each time one of them drove. i think of of them should probably get aa, they are good indivual players, but crappy team players in my opinion, you rock guys on here can chime in if you like maybe i m completly wrong here but just throwing it out there...

selfish players? im sorry but you must be mistaken, they take shots when they have the chance but otherwise they seemed to make good choices when we played them. they are also not trash talkers which is respectable, unless you are at a higher point in your game then they are then you have no right to criticize nor should you even voice your opinion on the topic.

Thoughtful

05-09-2007, 09:12 PM

Why has the talent dropoff been so hugh?

4 Reasons:

1. Since there are far more teams then even 2 or 3 years ago, players are able to go to schools and play with their friends. They don't need to go to Desmet, CBC or MICDS. Unfortunately the quality of coaching and the funding level at every school is not equal. Sometimes players with great potential end up with teams that struggle to keep coaches and players on their teams so they stop playing or stop caring. As for finances, some kids don't have the resources to travel during the summer to attend camps.
2. Some schools have so many players. i.e Rockhurst, CBC, SLUH, Desmet that it is harder to give all of the better players enough playing time. No one wants to cut players who are getting involved in a new sport so playing time gets watered down.
3. Lacrosse is not a hot as it was a couple of years ago in Missouri. Too many kids see a gap between the really good teams and everyone else and figure why bother. Try to remember the last time that Rockhurst, Desmet and MICDS were not in the semi finals. It gets pretty discouraging for teams like Ladue, Kirkwood, Parkway Central who try to put quality teams on the field but don't have enough bodies to play with some of the better teams.
4.It takes more then just school practice to become a really great player and a good number of guys don't want to put in the effort.

ramlax0925

05-09-2007, 09:50 PM

great point ... so true

Laxmaster2022

05-09-2007, 10:39 PM

yallaintgood, who are you and what gives you standing to make such a harsh judgement? thats pretty rough stuff and im relatively certain thats its incorrect and it's just a biased opinion.

It's just that man... an opinion. Your'e entitled to yours and he is entitled to his. This is a public forum where strangers generally share their personal opinions. He was making an observation and then asked the Rockhurst players to pretty much tell him he's wrong... or agree with him. Let's make a big deal.

Desmet over P. South 15 - 4 I think.

STLGURU

05-10-2007, 01:30 PM

Regarding the Looby's.

I've heard that last year Kevin was a bit selfish, but he has shaken that perception this year, as he is looking to pass a lot more and racking up a lot of assists.
Colin has NEVER been characterized as selfish and still is not. I think the Rockhurst guys can chime in here if they want, and I believe they'll agree. (after all if they're playing with selfish players as yallaintgood accused them of being, then the teammates are the ones that should be MOST pissed off).

Anyhow, in one regard, yallaint good is right. Neither of the looby's would say they have the BEST stick skills in the state or the best shot or the craftiest talents. in fact, neither of them have a quick first step, or are super fast. But here's the catch, they are 6foot2 and 190 lbs. with 3 years of varsity experience, a state title, and good stick skills. that is enough to make you good in this state.

colin will probably not play at navy, and kevin will probably be a decent supporting role player for trinity, but you cannot say that they are bad, and selfish is not the term to use..... they are the best players on the team... what do you expect them to do... pass the ball off all the time and be completely passive???? they dont have the talent around them that they did last year... so in a way, matters have to be taken into their own hands.

either way, you have to say that both are viable AA candidates in this state.

PshLax12

05-10-2007, 03:17 PM

[/QUOTE]Goalie Candidates:
Mark Prey-he has done some amazing things for 4 full years now
Jack Burkhardt- having a ridiculous season... one of the best ever in MO

Defense:
Paul Reintjes

Mid:
Jehling
Koeneman
C. Looby

Att:
K Looby

To be perfectly honest, nobody else deserves consideration for AA. remember there are only 5 AA's per year. you really have to be on another level.

any other names are just candidates for 1st Team all-state, not AA. I know some will argue with Stats, but stats don't mean anything in this state, since you can pick up 7 points against weaker opponents any day. Teams like MICDS have been known to never run up the score and put their reserves in early in a blowout, which has hurt some of their better players in the past in AA voting, but stats are second to ability and athleticism. You will see erich smith and ryan self on the high scorers list, but they will probably admit themselves that they are not as good as a Colin Looby or a drew koeneman.

it would be a shame if the AA list included anybody besides these players listed above.[/QUOTE]

I dissagree on the self and smith point. I agree with your picks but i really beleive self ans smith are on the same level as drew and gerry and the looby's. Anyone who's played with them over the last couple years would agree ( especially on the new jersey team last year. I wasn't on it nor deserved to be but i heard you guys tore it up way to go) . I know they can't all get all american but they all deserve it. In the end it's not AA that matters but respect and they've all got mine.

QPLax11

05-10-2007, 03:36 PM

i agree with STLGURU.
i played kevin looby, and he was by far the best attackman ive played so far. and he wasnt selfish either. he passed it most of the time, and took it iso two or three times. we only played one half of a game, so that might be it. but i doubt it, he was well rounded and very unselfish.

HawkletLax

05-10-2007, 04:40 PM

im not on varsity but ive talked to people and they said they pass to eachother about 60% the times they pass. im not saying thats bad but i think if so players got more chances they could be just as great but probably not better. the loobys probably have the best positioning on goal when shooting in the state.

stlvskc

05-10-2007, 05:55 PM

hawkletlax, once again you should retire from posting on here

HawkletLax

05-10-2007, 08:03 PM

? i helped answer yallaintgood's question, whats wrong with that?

CoachFauss

05-10-2007, 10:39 PM

Were there any games played in STL tonight? We waited a couple of hours but the lightning continued and we called it off. I haven't seen any scores at laxpower.

Pottyboy55

05-10-2007, 10:59 PM

let's go cardinals

hurst022

05-11-2007, 07:04 AM

if hickman and slu tie on points how will they decide the seeds? is it by overall record or by a coin flip or what

cmriocsdsse09

05-11-2007, 07:39 AM

micds played pwest at micds but they called it at half, second half is gonna be played on monday at micds. the score was 6-1 micds at half

WestCountyLax

05-11-2007, 08:43 AM

I heard the micds goalie only has one eye, is that true???

Pottyboy55

05-11-2007, 10:52 AM

maybe.... freshman though

gjjjjt

05-11-2007, 12:01 PM

Here’s the playoff picture as of May 11 morning:

MICDS needs to beat PW West and Webster Groves and they are the #1 seed with 30 points

Rockhurst has Springfield left on its schedule. Probable 28 points.

CBC is done. They have 26 points

Kirkwood is done with 25 points.

Depending on the Lafayette – SLUH game, Lafayette will be at 23 or 26 points.

Depending on the Lafayette – SLUH game, SLUH will be at 17 or 20 points.

DeSmet has Rockwood left to play. Probably 24 points.

PW South is done at 23 points

Winner of Hickman – Pembroke Hill is that conference’s # 2 team. Hickman wins over Pembroke Hill and Springfield puts them in the playoffs at 17 points. A Pembroke Hill win over Hickman puts them in the playoffs at 16 points.

Up for grabs is the # 2 position in STL East. If Vianney beats PW Central and Ladue beats Vianney, then there is a 3 way tie for 2nd. Tie breakers anyone?? PW Central win over Vianney gets them # 2 no matter what. Vianney wins over Ladue and PW Central gets them the # 2 and PW Central is then the wildcard with 15 points (wins head to head for wildcard over PW West if they get to 15 points). Ladue needs a win over Vianney and a PW Central win over Vianney to get them into the wildcard tie with PW West.
PW West needs to beat Aquinas and a loss to MICDS gets them to 15 points and a possible tie with Ladue or PW Central for the wildcard. Central wins the head to head for tiebreaker. Ladue and PW West need a tiebreaker not yet determined.

St Thomas Aquinas is the # 12 seed no matter what they do the rest of the season.

TURNUVA

05-11-2007, 12:14 PM

I heard MICDS has a tough time with Lafayette.. Could be a problem team for them down the road. I see Rockhurst and MICDS in the finals but CBC could give them trouble but it seems like their goalie is peaking at the right time. I am surprised they play a freshman so much? Heard he is the future of the team.

TURNUVA

05-11-2007, 12:30 PM

Burkhart is amazing he won the CBC game for MICDS he was amazing in goal according to my cuz who goes there.

TURNUVA

05-11-2007, 12:53 PM

he played in the freshman tourney at cbc but he does play varsity as back-up heard he will be the goalie next year and he does have a 1 eye but they won the tournament i heard. I think his brother was the varsity goalie when micds won state.

TURNUVA

05-11-2007, 01:46 PM

How is the freshman Theodoro doing this year? Ive nver seen him play but hoping to catch him at state. Heard they were giving him lost of minutes as a freshman @ micds.

stlvskc

05-11-2007, 05:04 PM

his brother that was the goalie when midcs won state taht you are talkin about turnuva, is pottyboy
potter im surprised you finally started to make an appearance on here, last year you were all over this forum

TURNUVA

05-11-2007, 11:49 PM

never seem him play but maybe i will catch him @ state this year. They still playing @ WU or where?

CoachFauss

05-12-2007, 12:50 AM

The seeds are pretty much set already. There were some changes made based on results. There are still some possible changes but this is what it's looking like right now:

1. Rockhurst (yes, I know they don't have as many points)
2. MICDS
3. CBC
4. Lafayette
5. Kirkwood
6. Desmet
7. Parkway South
8. Parkway Central (if they beat Vianney)/Vianney (if they beat Ladue and Parkway Central)
9. Pembroke Hill
10. SLUH
11. Ladue (if they beat Vianney)/Parkway West - if there is a tie, then they will play to see who makes the playoffs
12. St. Thomas Aquinas

It looks like Aquinas and Kirkwood were playing their first round playoff game on Saturday, May 12th at 1:00 at Green Tree Park.

Ladue and Vianney are scheduled to play on Saturday at 5:00 at Ladue Middle School.

CoachFauss

05-12-2007, 12:51 AM

never seem him play but maybe i will catch him @ state this year. They still playing @ WU or where?

I know the Championship game is at WashU. I believe the semifinals are being played there as well.

pshlax18

05-12-2007, 09:11 AM

so are the first round games played at the teams field who has the higher seed?

Pottyboy55

05-12-2007, 10:40 AM

I think all playoff games should be played on turf fields.... seeing as the state game and semi's are on turf. conditions of the field can dramatically change the outcomes of a game. especially shots on the ground....

CoachFauss

05-12-2007, 11:48 AM

so are the first round games played at the teams field who has the higher seed?

Yes. 1-4 get a bye in the first round.

5 plays 12
6 plays 11
7 plays 10
8 plays 9

1 plays 8/9 winner
2 plays 7/10 winner
3 plays 6/11 winner
4 plays 5/12 winner

TURNUVA

05-12-2007, 09:15 PM

I agree, they should all be on turf. Too bad they cant use the turf@ burroughs they have 2 fields of turf. Can't understand why they only have girls Lax there.

goalie1234

05-12-2007, 09:35 PM

we (aquinas) just lost 3-4 today against kirkwood but i expected more from the #5 team in the region/state. but who ever plays them next. have fun tryin to get by their goalie. he is sick. hes got a good d to back him up too.

HawkletLax

05-13-2007, 12:34 AM

so rockhurst is one even tho we dont have as many points?
is the seeding based off your record in the Missouri/kansas or overall?

fenderstrat3578

05-13-2007, 01:15 AM

when are they going to put the bracket up online...i know that some teams are still to be decided, but i wish they would put something up rather than last years stuff

gjjjjt

05-13-2007, 07:46 AM

I don't think Rockhurst can be the # 1 seed since points are being used for seedings. If exceptions are made for one team based on subjective criteria, then the entire system that was set up prior to the season is bogus. If Ladue and PW West tie for the wildcard with 15 points each, PW West got their points with 10 wins in games that count towards the playoffs. Ladue will have only 4. If it's wins that count, then Lindbergh has an arguement with 8 wins with one left to play vs Ft Zumwalt. Aquinas has only 5 wins, but they are in the playoffs because 4 of those wins were against conference teams. Hickman has 7 wins with one more games vs Springfield. They won't make the playoffs since they aren't # 1 or # 2 in their conference. Unless the league wants to change the rules for playoff qualification and/or seedings (which was a topic of conversation before and during the season) then it would be as one lawyer put it setting a precedent, which no one wants to do. Otherwise, every system will be subject to change in the future invitng unfairness.

Dashlock

05-13-2007, 11:01 AM

the point system kind of sucks... lindbergh finished thier season 11-4 and we're done, but teams that are like 2-9 still have a shot

fenderstrat3578

05-13-2007, 12:25 PM

name 1 team who is 2-9 who will make the playoffs

Strength of Schedule has a ton of bearing Dashlock, Lindbergh may have gone 11-4 in missouri, but if you look at the schedule they didn't have 1 win against tougher opponents. Ladue and DeSmet both have losing seasons as of now, but can make the playoffs because they are playing a much more difficult schedule. I don't really think its BS at all. To me, the system is fine.

ramlax0925

05-13-2007, 12:33 PM

ok tell the truth CBC how many varsirty players did u guys bring down to play in the JV tournament .. i didnt see some of those kids a week ago when we played u guys.

Dashlock

05-13-2007, 02:13 PM

my bad ladue is 4-9 and yea we had a pretty crappy schedule i just think its stupid that you can get playoff points by just playing certain teams. the reason our scedule was so bad is that a bunch of coaches planned thier shedules before the sheduling meeting so we got stuck w/ the leftovers. but yea if we can get points by losing to good teams i want to play them. i guess you are right tho

gjjjjt

05-13-2007, 02:20 PM

Strength of schedule is not a good indicator of a team's worthiness to make the playoffs if the team cannot win those games. Ladue will be 4 - 9 (if they win against Vianney) in games they chose to count. Two of those were against playoff teams from last year, neither of which will be in the playoffs this year. They are in the position to possibly qualify as a wildcard team because they scheduled playoff teams worth at least a point even if they lose. They had 9 points guaranteed, even if they lost all their games. Perhaps the only fair part of the playoff qualifying this year was the conference # 1 and # 2 qualifying. That doesn't make every team better than those who didn't finish #1 or 2, but it is a way to get all conferences involved. Unless every team starts out with an equal chance to get to the playoffs with points, it will always be skewed in favor of teams who take advantage of the system and/or ignore some teams. Lindbergh is 8 - 4, Hickman 8 - 5 in games that count towards the playoffs. Parkway West is 10 - 2 with a game to complete vs MICDS. If West is to make the playoffs, they will have to win a tiebreaker vs Ladue should they both finish with 15 points. DeSmet has won the games that count to get them into the playoffs, not by points, but by winning those necessary to get an automatic qualification as a conference # 1 team. Look at Aquinas. They have 4 wins and will be a conference winner (add 5 points), but will be by far the lowest points playoff team, even lower than the wildcard qualifier who will add no points. Most teams earned a place by beating their conference rivals. Entering the playoffs or even potentially entering with less wins than losses without finishing top 2 in conference (and when many other teams have better records) is a tragedy of the system.