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TBALAX
04-20-2007, 12:10 AM
Situation NFHS: Team A is attacking. Goalie B1 moves out of his crease to check A1 and than chase a loose ball. Goalie B1 either has his crosse checked from him or poke checks a player and drops his goalie stick during the check. Stick is not broken or bent. Goalie's position is to the right side of goal about 5 yards from crease. Goalie takes a step toward his crosse with no one around him than turns back and assumes a position in the goal leaving his crosse behind. Team A had gained possesion of the ball before the goalie lost possesion of his stick and failed to pick it up is now moving toward the goal with a clear scoring opportunity.
What is the correct call?
stripes182
04-20-2007, 01:04 AM
This was a tough question to answer when I'm pressed to cite my sources, but I'm glad my gut instinct is backed up in the book. If the goalie's stick becomes broken while he and the goalie are out of the crease, there is to be no whistle. If the goalie attempts to participate in the play at that point it would become Illegal Procedure. If the goalie returned to his crease and got into position to block a shot I would immediately blow the whistle and throw a flag. I would assess a technical foul on the goalie because when he became ready to block the shot he was participating in the play. My whistle would be immediate because the goalie is in the crease without required equipment and there is a safety issue (read liability in NFHS situations) with him facing shots while not properly equipped.
In this situation, the offensive team is denied a scoring chance, but the time-serving foul makes up for it. I realize that a thirty-second man-up may not make up for the impact of this situation in a close game, but that seems to be the way the rules are written. Speaking of which, I used rule 6-5 Situation J. Would anyone else handle this differently?
Shorelax
04-20-2007, 06:36 AM
Flag down, blow the whistle immediately. I would tell the coach A, "I killed the play for saftey reasons."
IP - playing without a stick.
Goalie serves 30 sec. NFHS - new goalie gets a minute to warm up.
WHEELAX2
04-20-2007, 07:08 AM
either way, i would accept an illegal procedure, or even a penalty to prevent a goal as a coach...
tjslax
04-20-2007, 08:45 AM
4-27 last year indicated we should call an officials timeout immediatly if a goalies equip. becomes broken or dislodged.
This year 4-27-5 only mentions stopping play if the equip. is broken. eme, laxref anythoughts?
Out of habit, i think I would still stop play right away. What are the odds anyone read this years rule book anyway?
P.S. Intentional breaking or losing equip. is a "full bird"
In either NCAA or NFHS if the goalie loses his stick (not broken) and then continues to play, it's IP. Kill the play immediately since we don't want him
playing in the goal without a stick nor, if he is out of the crease, do we want a d-man stepping in the goal to deflect shots.
In NCAA if his stick or any other equipment breaks, we kill immediately...before he has a chance to play (thus you avoid throwing a flag for IP, etc.)
IN NFHS it's a little less explicit...but kill immediately, too.
tjslax
04-20-2007, 11:06 AM
How about goalie looses equip and then just stands there-not participating in play so no IP (with the other team in posession)? Didn't we decide last year to stop play to limit the chance of someone without goalie protection on stepping in front of a shot?
Yes, kill it immediately.
brikk9
04-20-2007, 12:51 PM
Cant a goalie use his hands to deflect shots as long as he doesnt grab and hold the ball or pick it up?
MElaxRef
04-20-2007, 01:18 PM
A goalie can use his hands to deflect shots or even to bat the ball into his crosse, but the key point in this thread is that the goalie must have a crosse in order to participate in the play in any manner. Playing without a crosse = IP.
stripes182
04-20-2007, 01:56 PM
eme, is my initial reaction of throwing the flag and killing the play immediately correct if the goalie does re-enter the crease attempting to make a save? Since the OP stated the goalie lost his crosse (assuming it was not broken) outside the crease, goalie privilege does not apply in this case, correct?
I would not worry about "goalie privilege" or where he is located, etc. Kill it and throw the flag if he is playing without his crosse. Opposing coach will holler about FDSW, etc...but our reply is "Safety First."