Goalie/Crease Ruling

[oldlaxgoalie]

I know that if the goalie is in the crease and has possession of the ball (whether possession is in or out of the crease) opponent cannot check the goalie's crosse (Rule 4-18(d)). My question is does clamping consitute possession? Scenario is this - goalie makes save but rebound puts ball outside crease and goalie clamps on ball and begins to rake back into crease all the while has his body in the crease. Can attack attempt to dislodge/check ball without being called for interefrence?

[Murray#72]

I had a reffing session with a god UK ref and he said that when its clamped unless, its in the crease you can still go for it. Ive gone for the ball a couple of times when the goalie clamps it when its outside of the crease and usually the defender thinks the goalie has got it in possession so I'm free to take it :roll:

Did you also know that you can go in the oppositions crease if its not in your half of the field? The goalie i stood next to didn't :D

Might be different ruling in the States but in the UK these are legal...as far as i know

[LaxRef]

I believe this is covered in the FAQ: clamped ball is not possession because you cannot cradle, pass, or shoot while the ball is clamped.

[laxfan25]

Did you also know that you can go in the oppositions crease if its not in your half of the field? The goalie i stood next to didn't :D

Might be different ruling in the States but in the UK these are legal...as far as i know
In the States you can never go into the other team's crease, no matter where the ball is located.

[CardinalPuff]

Did you also know that you can go in the oppositions crease if its not in your half of the field? The goalie i stood next to didn't :D

and if i was your coach i tell you to get your butt up to the midfield line....

[RottingMind13]

laxref can you confirm or eliminate this myth for me, You can go under the goalies stick and lift up/swipe the ball from under if he is in a clamp.

[stripes182]

If the ball and the goalie's stick are both outside the crease, they can be checked. A clamp does NOT denote possession. If the goalie is clamping the ball in the crease, you are entering the crease by making contact with something inside the cylinder.

[LaxRef]

If the ball and the goalie's stick are both outside the crease, they can be checked. A clamp does NOT denote possession. If the goalie is clamping the ball in the crease, you are entering the crease by making contact with something inside the cylinder.

Not exactly. Checking the goalie's crosse inside the cylinder is goalie interference, not a crease violation.

But a clamp is not possession; this is covered in the FAQ.

[wolfenburg]

What about placeing your stik without moving it in the crease while the goalie is raking the ball? Is this allowed, when the goalie makes contakt with the stick?

[Shorelax]

What about placeing your stik without moving it in the crease while the goalie is raking the ball? Is this allowed, when the goalie makes contakt with the stick?

If there is contact with the goalies stick inside the crease - I'm calling it. Things happen too quickly in the heat of battle.

[Shorelax]

In the States you can never go into the other team's crease, no matter where the ball is located.

Thats not enitrely true. You cannot step into the crease, but you can knock the ball away oy scoop the ball - as long as you do not touch the goalie or his stick.

[Woodenstick]

I believe that the attackman has a duty to get his stick out of the way of the goalie if the goalie is passing or scooping; a "passive" check of the goalie's stick in the crease is still illegal. Same thing when the goalie is making a clearing pass while in the crease. You can't hold up your stick in the way of the goalie's passing motion. On the other hand, if the attackman is scooping the ball and the goalie checks his stick, I don't think that is interference.

[LaxRef]

Thats not enitrely true. You cannot step into the crease, but you can knock the ball away oy scoop the ball - as long as you do not touch the goalie or his stick.

Reaching in with your stick is not "going in" the crease. The stick is never part of the body, but the body is sometimes part of the stick.

[PlayOn]

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[stripes182]

Not exactly. Checking the goalie's crosse inside the cylinder is goalie interference, not a crease violation.

But a clamp is not possession; this is covered in the FAQ.

Sorry, the road between my brain and my fingers is currently under construction. Looks like the detour was a bit off. I can make the call standing next to a crease, but apparently I can't explain it sitting at my desk. What a reassuring thought as I head into the playoffs, right CardinalPuff?

[CardinalPuff]

Sorry, the road between my brain and my fingers is currently under construction. Looks like the detour was a bit off. I can make the call standing next to a crease, but apparently I can't explain it sitting at my desk. What a reassuring thought as I head into the playoffs, right CardinalPuff?
as long as you can sell it i don't care if you call it pass interference and penalize 'em 15 yards.....

[Doritos]

i recently saw a you tube video and i must know its driving me crazy well i believe a attack men runs around the crease taking the ball around to x and out of no where he leaps across the crease note his not in the crease but going over it across and taps his stick back scoring is this legal???? @_@

[farside268]

i recently saw a you tube video and i must know its driving me crazy well i believe a attack men runs around the crease taking the ball around to x and out of no where he leaps across the crease note his not in the crease but going over it across and taps his stick back scoring is this legal???? @_@
As long as he doesn't touch the goalie, the goalie's stick, or any part of the ground inside the crease it's legal.

[LaxRef]

He also can't touch the goal or the net before the ball is in the goal.

[Doritos]

farside and laxref thanks this was puzzling me and now that i am more informed of the do and don't i plan to try it my self hahahaha thanks alot =P

[Woodenstick]

i recently saw a you tube video and i must know its driving me crazy well i believe a attack men runs around the crease taking the ball around to x and out of no where he leaps across the crease note his not in the crease but going over it across and taps his stick back scoring is this legal???? @_@

That was probably a video of Gary Gait doing his famous "Air Gait" move. The rules were later changed to outlaw "Air Gait," so if you jump, score and then land in the crease, no goal. Not only is he the best player of all time, but I believe he is the only player to have a rule (informally) named after him (the previously described "Air Gait Rule.") Now if you could jump over the crease, score, and not land in the crease, the goal would count.

[PlayOn]

Another goalie crease question.

A loose ball occurs outside the crease. The goalie, not in the crease gains possession. He runs in to the crease. Is this illegal/considered in and out?

I know that a non goalie defensive player can run through the crease with possession because he is not protected by the crease like the goalie would be. I also know you can pass back and forth to the goalie as long as he does not leave the crease with the ball once he's in.

[laxfan25]

Another goalie crease question.

A loose ball occurs outside the crease. The goalie, not in the crease gains possession. He runs in to the crease. Is this illegal/considered in and out?

I know that a non goalie defensive player can run through the crease with possession because he is not protected by the crease like the goalie would be. I also know you can pass back and forth to the goalie as long as he does not leave the crease with the ball once he's in.

You sound a little confused;
First, NO player with possession outside of the crease can enter the crease - this includes the goalie AND the defense. If the goalie keeps his back foot in the crease he can reach out and gain possession, since he has not left the crease (although you have to make sure he doesn't rock forward onto his front foot, lifting his back one off the ground - that would be re-entry also).

The D can run through the crease, just not carrying the ball. They can gain possession if they are inside the crease, and as you noted, they do not have the protections afforded the designated goalkeeper.

The goalie can play catch with the defense, getting a new 4 second count every time, as long as they meet the 20 second clear requirement (assuming HS level or ablove)

[PlayOn]

Thanks for the clarification there, at least I was right yesterday.

I guess I somehow got in to my head that since a defensive player (non goalie) is not protected by the crease he can run through with possession since no advantage could possibly be gained by this.

[LaxRef]

Thanks for the clarification there, at least I was right yesterday.

I guess I somehow got in to my head that since a defensive player (non goalie) is not protected by the crease he can run through with possession since no advantage could possibly be gained by this.

Being in the crease with possession is still an advantage for any defender since the riding-team player cannot go in the crease to get them.