Minnesota '07 Season Thread, Con't.

[CougarLax07]

Does anybody know anything about the game?

I know plenty about it

[LAXMomx3]

GAMES TODAY, THURS. MAY 17

BSM v. Edina @ BSM 5:30
Blake v. AHA @ BSM 7:30
EP v. Armstrong @ Armstrong 5:00
MTKA v. Wayzata @ Armstrong 7:30

The Edina/BSM match up is the first real test for BSM this season. It should be a great game, but with the goal totals that BSM has been racking up this season, their offense seems pretty deadly and their defense would seem to be a brick wall. Is Edina up to the task?

Blake had a solid win over AHA 13-2 near the mid-point of the season. However, including their win over Shattuck, AHA has been on a 4-game winning streak upsetting both Minnetonka and Breck along the way.

Eden Prairie and Armstrong have not met on the field this year, but I don't think the home field advantage will give Armstrong much more than a good cheering section tonight.

MTKA and Wayzata's match-up earlier this year for a MTKA two-goal win has opened the door for the most revenged game of the season (so far). Huge rivals even in the best of circumstances, the question remains whether MTKA's youth can step up as big as they'll need to in order to get to the section finals. Their records are tied (more or less), but let's not forget that Eden Prairie's sole loss, albeit early in the season, came at the hands of Wayzata.

[anklebreakerMN]

intresting results....

its obvious the state champ will come from section 5 or 6....

Osseo should win handly....PL - Eastview should be intresting as it will come down to the coaching staffs making in-game adjustments - edge Eastview...

BSM v. Edina - should be intresting, but edina cant score...so I see this very one sided early...with it turning into a battle late....

Blake v. HA - if the angels turn it into a ball game great...but not likely...

is anyone else half as excited at the opportunity to watch Blake v. BSM on friday if they both win out....

[mnlax4life]

intresting results....

its obvious the state champ will come from section 5 or 6...

is anyone else half as excited at the opportunity to watch Blake v. BSM on friday if they both win out....

Blake will dominate Benilde not because they are that much better but the fact that BSM hasnt faced a team even close to that of Blake. And as far as the champion, PL played with EP and lost by 3 i think, but anything could happen.

[anklebreakerMN]

this being the same blake team that DOMINATED edina 6-5.....sorry bud, I dont really trust your opinion on evalutating talent, or teams...keep in mind, the doesnt play anyone arguement doesnt apply anymore...and yes everyone knows Dooley and Seivold are good...but someone might want to double check the score of the Lax Loons v. Elite team in chicago last summer with the LOONS winning, wasnt that team primarly BSM players.....

Also didnt Patrick Johnson (SP?) from BSM hold Dooley to 0 points in that game???

Get your facts right....and also know more than your opinion

also.... Blake 13 MNPLS 6

BSM 18 MNPLS 2

these two teams are much closer than you think....

[LAXMomx3]

Ankle.. I can't figure out what you edited of the above post... what does:
"keep in mind, the doesnt play anyone arguement doesnt apply anymore" mean?

And too.. this is a forum MOSTLY about opinion. And I don't think comparing last season's elite and loon teams to the end of the regular season this year is exactly apples to apples. Are suggesting Winter league counts too? However, I totally agree that if there is a BSM/Blake match up (one game at a time), the game will be a lot more competitive than some may suggest (especially with how senior laden BSM is).

[anklebreakerMN]

I agree....but I was looking at the only comparrision for like opponents...I also looked at that, and it was 11 -1 at half...but keep in mind vs. bsm I believe it was 12-0 at half...my opinion is soley that these teams are a lot closer, and right now I give the edge to BSM - where as earlier on I gave the edge to blake...I finally got to watch them (bsm) on tuesday...they crushed Kennedy early, and cruised to another shutout...10 goals in the first 14 minutes of the game...

as far as the "the arguement" I was refering to the season schedule...none of that matters anymore - being battle tested doesnt apply in a one and done format....it who plays harder out of the gate, and closes it out....

The senior laden Red Knights will probaly surprise a lot of teams...keep in mind, this squad has been with their coaching staff for 4 years now, all as varsity starters, that makes a huge difference this time of the year. I was lucky enough to be on traveling teams with a couple of these guys this summer, I was shocked to see about 11 guys on different teams - loons, elite, etc. - being battle tested vs. MN HS, or Colorado HS lax....id rather play the CO teams any day of the week - ...remember they have been criticized for not playing a tough schedule, however, this is EXACTLY the same team that lost to TG last years playoffs (minus two middies) - to me people arent giving this team the credit they deserve...and comparing apples to apples this summer does make a difference, you dont think there is a mental edge somewhere in the back of a DPOLE's mind that says, I can cover this guy, ive done it before, no diffrent now...if not, Id re-evaluate your own teams coaching staff...

[CCLAX07]

i think BSM gets enough credit their ranked at number one cant get much more respect then that.

Blake should have more respect because they are defending champs and had a hard schedule.

and lets not bring the elite vs. loons into this because i believe the elite won that tournament and the loons got last.

[anklebreakerMN]

head to head mr. childs....head to head...

[anklebreakerMN]

i think BSM gets enough credit their ranked at number one cant get much more respect then that.

Blake should have more respect because they are defending champs and had a hard schedule.

and lets not bring the elite vs. loons into this because i believe the elite won that tournament and the loons got last.

I was refering to the boards, and the junk on here about blake destroying everyone...etc....

[LAXMomx3]

At the beginning of this thread -- actually the first Minnesota Season thread -- the concensus seemed to be that Blake, who had lost 12 seniors to graduation, were going to, in a word, suck. Yes, some pointed out they still had a great deal of value in a few of their players, but for the most part people had them near the bottom of their ranks and were vocal in giving the impression they weren't going to do all that well. In the first article (and only one) of the year, Seivold himself admitted it was a rebuilding year and has shown it by giving as many players field experience as possible in any given game, all while carrying a 30-player roster up until sections. As to whether they destroy teams or not.. which I don't think I'd use that word.. I don't necessarily agree with that. But I don't think anyone would now suggest they arent a very viable team and a contender to make it to state. And, as it's been pointed out, they have earned that by playing (and winning against) the top teams in the state.

This takes nothing away from BSM's #1 ranking and undefeated season. But face it, their success isn't nearly as impressive (or surprising) considering what they started out with. They brought back almost their entire starting lineup. They were good last year. They're even better this year. (yawn).

As for coaching, while BSM has had a consistent coaching staff for the past four years. Few could argue that Blake hasn't had consistent coaching in Joe Seivold for the past three. Adding Johnny Seivold, a division I lax player for UNC, seems to have just improved the mix.

Bottom line: The entire conversation is a bit premature. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what happens tonight before we start REALLY talking about tomorrow or even next week. Eden Prairie is just letting this discussion fester with the hopes that they can come in and just sweep the whole thing. Don't forget, new coach or not, their coach isn't exactly a noob to the game of Lax.

And truthfully..in the grand scheme, head to head means nothing (except in ranks and seeds). Ask Eastview. Ask AHA. While they may have lost during the regular season, so far they've obviously found the win when it counted more.

[BSM24]

BSM 13 Edina 5

It was 6-5 at half

[LightLaxMid15]

Good luck to Prior Lake in their game tomorrow against Eastview. Your coach, Brant Chalupsky, predicted a win 8-7 against Eagan, and Eastview beat Eagan 13-2.

[senorlax17]

CCLAX he was kidding. If you really knew the kid he's talking about you'd know what kind of joke it was.

As for BSM beating Edina, that does show that they aren't a pushover team. Beating Edina is a good thing, but still, to completely gain my (and I think a lot of other people's) respect, they'll have to beat Blake. If they do that, I will predict them winning the state championship.

[E612Lax]

BSM vs. Blake will b a good game if BSM doesnt rip Blakes average D apart

[anklebreakerMN]

At the beginning of this thread -- actually the first Minnesota Season thread -- the concensus seemed to be that Blake, who had lost 12 seniors to graduation, were going to, in a word, suck. Yes, some pointed out they still had a great deal of value in a few of their players, but for the most part people had them near the bottom of their ranks and were vocal in giving the impression they weren't going to do all that well. In the first article (and only one) of the year, Seivold himself admitted it was a rebuilding year and has shown it by giving as many players field experience as possible in any given game, all while carrying a 30-player roster up until sections. As to whether they destroy teams or not.. which I don't think I'd use that word.. I don't necessarily agree with that. But I don't think anyone would now suggest they arent a very viable team and a contender to make it to state. And, as it's been pointed out, they have earned that by playing (and winning against) the top teams in the state.

This takes nothing away from BSM's #1 ranking and undefeated season. But face it, their success isn't nearly as impressive (or surprising) considering what they started out with. They brought back almost their entire starting lineup. They were good last year. They're even better this year. (yawn).

As for coaching, while BSM has had a consistent coaching staff for the past four years. Few could argue that Blake hasn't had consistent coaching in Joe Seivold for the past three. Adding Johnny Seivold, a division I lax player for UNC, seems to have just improved the mix.

Bottom line: The entire conversation is a bit premature. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what happens tonight before we start REALLY talking about tomorrow or even next week. Eden Prairie is just letting this discussion fester with the hopes that they can come in and just sweep the whole thing. Don't forget, new coach or not, their coach isn't exactly a noob to the game of Lax.

And truthfully..in the grand scheme, head to head means nothing (except in ranks and seeds). Ask Eastview. Ask AHA. While they may have lost during the regular season, so far they've obviously found the win when it counted more.

Laxmom is correct here...I think most of the state thought they were going to be soft...if you check my posts....i disagreed.....so I was hoping your response was directed at my earlier post....but i was referring to the earlier posts in the "closed" thread....

Seivold is a great coach, I dont think that is up for debate, and Johnny does make them better, but so does Jim Riley as well....by no means was I talking about the staffs of either team (both are great in my opinion - as they teach different systems....BSM runs a system that has proven to work at all levels HS and College - and their assistant coaches arent necessarily slouches either...with one of them being the one of the head assistants at UMD/ with a non MN lax background), while Blake uses their playmakers and their lacrosse sense), I think you might have misread me slightly, I was just surprised that the arguement against BSM has been "they dont play anyone"...I guess they showed it doesnt matter who you played in the regular season, as its playoffs ladies and gents, WIN OR GO HOME. PERIOD.

All year long I have had them (Blake) as the No. 1 team, as I always say, you have to beat the man to be the man...they have great players that make smart decisions and can dominate the game in every aspect, with the exception of defense....I went and watched HA give them a run for their money tonite, until Blake pulled away with about 7 minutes to go in the fourth

Tomorrow should be a all out war....plain and simple, I hope the refs let them play, as these two teams are going to be going at each other for 48 minutes....I dont know who to call it for in this one, but I cant wait to go watch......

Other intresting match ups tomorrow

EP v Tonka - which tonka team shows up?
Osseo v Hill Murrary - only god could stop Osseo in this one
PL v Eastview - PL is tough, we'll have to see if the new Eastview staff can stop Mr. Childs and his Goose and Iceman....

Laxmom, thank god the season is almost over, and you can finally get some sleep....(yawn)....

[anklebreakerMN]

BSM 13 Edina 5

It was 6-5 at half


what happened in the first vs. the second half of the game BSM24 - do you play d or offense by the way?

[anklebreakerMN]

And too.. this is a forum MOSTLY about opinion. And I don't think comparing last season's elite and loon teams to the end of the regular season this year is exactly apples to apples. Are suggesting Winter league counts too? However, I totally agree that if there is a BSM/Blake match up (one game at a time), the game will be a lot more competitive than some may suggest (especially with how senior laden BSM is).


agree with you here laxmom, my arguement is simply, if you are going to throw something out there that is your opinion, you better make sure someone doesnt find the info to shred your arguement...as that tends to happen as we have both noticed all year on this board...its the calmer heads like you and myself that have to bring up the facts before everyone gets riled up....

[starslax3]

Blake 15
AHA 11

[LAXMomx3]

agree with you here laxmom, my arguement is simply, if you are going to throw something out there that is your opinion, you better make sure someone doesnt find the info to shred your arguement...as that tends to happen as we have both noticed all year on this board...its the calmer heads like you and myself that have to bring up the facts before everyone gets riled up....


Yes, perhaps. But you have to appreciate the passion! And it's not like I haven't found myself a little impassioned in opinion on here as well. Truth is, a lot of arguments have gotten better. Frankly, it's nice to see.

[LAXMomx3]

BSM 13 Edina 5

It was 6-5 at half
I have no idea what happened to the Edina team that played in the first half. And while I am just a fan and have no idea what actually went on on the field, I'd say Edina came back a little flat, and then just couldn't rally, going from not good to downright mediocre. Passes they made look easy in the first half were turnovers that turned into goals for BSM in the second. BSM disrupted 3 or 4 scoring opportunities by taking the penalty for a push from behind. The strategy worked because Edina just couldn't convert, even though they had opportunity. BSM's defense seemed huge in comparison and Edina's defense, quite frankly, seemed to quit in the fourth quarter. And that, to be honest, was my biggest disappointment.

Blake 15
AHA 11

AHA played a great game tonight. Complete opposite in terms of never ever quitting. AHA played until that last horn and got themselves close to getting back in it on more than one occasion. Number #3. Hats off to him. I felt the refs were a little on the generous side for the underdog, but at the same time, there were some wacked calls on both sides as par the course. Personally, I think Blake kind of under-estimated how far AHA had come this season and had they not had managed a crucial mindshift when they did, who knows.

And therein lies the lesson of why you never, ever quit. If nothing else, it earns a great deal of respect.

[mnlax4life]

So this is whos left:
BSM vs. Blake
Hill Murray vs. Osseo
EP vs. Minnetonka
Prior Lake vs. Eastview

Any predictions...

[anklebreakerMN]

I have no idea what happened to the Edina team that played in the first half. And while I am just a fan and have no idea what actually went on on the field, I'd say Edina came back a little flat, and then just couldn't rally, going from not good to downright mediocre. Passes they made look easy in the first half were turnovers that turned into goals for BSM in the second. BSM disrupted 3 or 4 scoring opportunities by taking the penalty for a push from behind. The strategy worked because Edina just couldn't convert, even though they had opportunity. BSM's defense seemed huge in comparison and Edina's defense, quite frankly, seemed to quit in the fourth quarter. And that, to be honest, was my biggest disappointment.



i think BSM's big bodies just wore them down - espically at the midfield...you must have good athletic middies to run with those guys all day....not to mention they didnt play more than 5 minutes of 6 v 6 offense for the game in possesion....they scored all of their goals in the first half on man up with the exception of 1 on a fastbreak....Im not so sure that Edina gave up, as BSM quit taking penalties unless it would save a goal....Edina did do some nice things clearing the ball and bring the ball up field....but I think BSM's LSM turned it on, and basically took the ball away from anything that moved....

[LAXMomx3]

So this is whos left:
BSM vs. Blake
Hill Murray vs. Osseo
EP vs. Minnetonka
Prior Lake vs. Eastview

Any predictions...

BSM/Blake... Haven't a clue, but it's a fight to the finish. It's all about maintaining possession with these two teams. I just hope the refs are good(not power hungry) and no one ends up broken, literally. :-) Seriously though, this is a game where it will do neither side any good to not leave everything they've got on the field from that first face-off. If there is a loss of focus for even a minute, the game could be gone. Bottom line: It would be a HUGE mistake to underestimate either team.

Osseo

EP/MTKA - I'd love to see MTKA take EP, but I agree, it will depend on which MTKA team shows up and more importantly, for how long. EP has been known to kind of sit back in the second half letting teams back in, but with so much on the line, I am doubtful they will let that happen this late in the game. And MTKA is so young that they might struggle under the pressure. If MTKA wants this game, they cannot be intimidated. Not for a minute.

Eastview

[anklebreakerMN]

BSM/Blake... Haven't a clue, but it's a fight to the finish. It's all about maintaining possession with these two teams. I just hope the refs are good(not power hungry) and no one ends up broken, literally. :-) Seriously though, this is a game where it will do neither side any good to not leave everything they've got on the field from that first face-off. If there is a loss of focus for even a minute, the game could be gone. Bottom line: It would be a HUGE mistake to underestimate either team.

Osseo

EP/MTKA - I'd love to see MTKA take EP, but I agree, it will depend on which MTKA team shows up and more importantly, for how long. EP has been known to kind of sit back in the second half letting teams back in, but with so much on the line, I am doubtful they will let that happen this late in the game. And MTKA is so young that they might struggle under the pressure. If MTKA wants this game, they cannot be intimidated. Not for a minute.

Eastview


spoken like a pure lax genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Minnesota Laxer]

I saw the Minnetonka Game last night, going in I thought Wayzata had them easy. They were a pretty fun team to watch though, to put up 13 goals against Slattery is pretty amazing. I think they can pull off the win tonight.

[AHA lax5]

What time is the BSM vs. Blake game tonight? It is at Southwest correct?

[starslax3]

joe the game is at 6

[BSM24]

BSM 12 Blake 9

... ya that's all

[anklebreakerMN]

BSM 12 Blake 9

... ya that's all

no doubters now........

Congrats BSM......

Blake battled all game, but couldnt overcome the 5-1 lead the red knights jumped out to....

[mnlax9]

eastview 14 prior lake 2

[falconlax1]

Does anyone know what the score of the EPvs. Mtka game was cause I wasn't able to go tonight I had soccer

[slidearly27]

history repeated it self big time

Prior lake vs lakeville

eagan vs eastivew (will be a good game)

but i think eagan will beat eastview so i dont think they will make it to state

cory, i guess eagan wouldve been better for pl huh?
chek out these "facts" i said we wouldnt see you at state. buh by.

[LightLaxMid15]

who won the Osseo Hill Murry game?

[LightLaxMid15]

Final four:
BMS
Eden Prairie
Eastview
Osseo

[LAXMomx3]

cory, i guess eagan wouldve been better for pl huh?
chek out these "facts" i said we wouldnt see you at state. buh by.

Humility is a good thing. Try it.

[slidearly27]

just the facts ma'am

[LAXMomx3]

no doubters now........

Congrats BSM......

Blake battled all game, but couldnt overcome the 5-1 lead the red knights jumped out to....

Exactly. Too many loose groundballs and against BSM, that just killed them -- especially with their LSM who was tenacious. Their goalie was on and there were more Blake shots off the pipes than in the net. Disappointing I am sure, but Blake has nothing to hang their heads about. They never quit.

[LAXMomx3]

just the facts ma'am

The "facts" are, you don't have to be such a jerk about it. If you've won, recognize the fact that your opponents were trying to accomplish the same thing. If you've lost, you hope people don't want to rub your face in it. Because on any given day.... You could be in either position. And just remember, without an opponent... there'd be no game to play.

[slidearly27]

the facts are that calling people names is what closed the last thread,you should know better mom

[LAXMomx3]

Final four:
BMS
Eden Prairie
Eastview
Osseo

BSM has created the perfect storm. They have talent, experience and something like 14 seniors! If not now....

[mnlax4life]

So I think we can all assume the seedings and match ups now.
(1) BSM vs. (4) Eastview
(2) EP vs. (3) Osseo

BSM will dominate Eastview and Osseo has no chance against EP....

[slidearly27]

r coach scouted ev tonite and said they r legit

[senorlax17]

Wow, I don't check this for one day and all of sudden the final four are set with BSM pulling off a big win over Blake. Congrats, and, like I said, I am now a believer in BSM and their abilities. I think the BSM-EP game (my prediction at least) will be a very good one, especially since both teams beat Blake. Congrats again, and goodluck to all the teams who made it to state.

[slidearly27]

The "facts" are, you don't have to be such a jerk about it. If you've won, recognize the fact that your opponents were trying to accomplish the same thing. If you've lost, you hope people don't want to rub your face in it. Because on any given day.... You could be in either position. And just remember, without an opponent... there'd be no game to play.


the facts are that calling people names is what closed down the last thread, you should know better mom.

[LAXMomx3]

Slide obviously missed my point... (and apparently felt he had to make his twice for some reason).

In any event..

EP just edging MTKA (according to Westlax) doesn't sound too promising for EP against BSM, if that's the way it ends up. I say "if" because Eastview is playing really well. If they end up the 2nd seed (and that meeting isn't until tomorrow), it could be a real toss up. Fortunately everyone has the weekend to rest up. I think some teams are going to need it more than others.

[CCLAX07]

pl lost big and we played our worse game ever but i have to give credit to eastview who have most defiantly improved from the beginning of the season i dont think any team will have it easy with them and the scary thing is their a very young team.

[StickTrick]

The elite team is invite only for try-outs. Anyone else get a letter this week?

[BSM24]

The seedings for the state tournament are

1)Benilde-St. Margaret's
2)Eden Prairie
3)Osseo-Park Center
4)Eastview

[mnlax4life]

The seedings for the state tournament are

1)Benilde-St. Margaret's
2)Eden Prairie
3)Osseo-Park Center
4)Eastview

Neither the 3 or 4 have a chance, agreed....

[MNlaxer17]

Agreed that 3 or 4 don't have a chance, section three is by far the weakest. But that doesn't mean that they won't be enjoyable games to watch. Eastview had a hard season but came into the section tournament as a shocker. They trounced eagan 13-2 and then just destroyed the number one seed prior lake 14-2. I was at that game and Eastview is looking like a completely different team and made the 19 seniors on PL look like nothing and i think that they are going to make BSM have to work for it. Nice job eastview, everyone in section 3 was rooting for you

[MNlaxer17]

Who will be better this summer
elite or loons?
help me out i have no clue
All i know is the loons have the very Dangerous Zack Von Horn
Who is all on the elite

[wilsontopowell]

The elite team is invite only for try-outs. Anyone else get a letter this week?

yep i got an email though

[LAXMomx3]

I think EP lucked out with these seeds. Still they should be good games all around, but I just don't think anyone is going to get by Benilde, including EP Then again, they've got all weekend and a couple of practices to come up with a game plan.

As for the elite.. Try outs aren't until after the play offs.

[riversideblues]

Blake has lost 2 games in the last 3 years.

They will have at least 14 seniors next year.

Enjoy this year, while it lasts.

[LAXMomx3]

Blake has lost 2 games in the last 3 years.

They will have at least 14 seniors next year.

Enjoy this year, while it lasts.

If this is what Blake does in a rebuilding year, I am totally looking forward to next season. Will BSM have the same kind of barn as Blake? I don't think so because they've all been playing JV. I have no idea how decisions are made for conference, all-state and all that, but Seivold earned the Coach of the Year award for how far his completely underrated team went this season. While I give MTKA credit as well, they were inconsistent throughout. Not the case with Blake. As River points out... 2 games in three years? The man KNOWS how to coach and he taught more than a few young men how to step up hugely to fill the shoes left vacant this season.

And I guess given the options, I really want to see BSM win it all this year, if for no other reason than to simply prove the naysayers, including myself at times, wrong. I still think they had a cake schedule, but they also proved they could make it happen when faced with tougher competition -- primarily Seivold's team.

Looking ahead... having been to EP games a plenty and Benilde games a few times, this is going to be one riotous fan base if/when these two teams make it to the championship round.

[LightLaxMid15]

This was supposed to be a rebuilding year for Eastview. They have the youngest team in the state. Last year they lost 21 seniors, this year they are only losing 4, (2 start). This was a team that was predicted to finish 5th in their section, now they are competing for state.

[LAXMomx3]

This was supposed to be a rebuilding year for Eastview. They have the youngest team in the state. Last year they lost 21 seniors, this year they are only losing 4, (2 start). This was a team that was predicted to finish 5th in their section, now they are competing for state.

Coming into state is a huge accomplishment. It is. And not to take away anything from the success, but Eastviews section wasn't like coming out of section 5 where half the teams were in the top 10 following the regular season. Eastview's section had two teams that hadn't won a game all season and another who had won only one. Still.. being the underdog and seeded at number 5, that you are now heading into state is worthy of a nod or two.

As an aside: I actually think cumulatively MTKA's roster might be youngest. Eastview has 6 seniors on their official roster (as does Blake), but MTKA has only 4. But like I said, I have no idea what goes into those decisions, who makes them or how. I just think Blake reached a very high level of success having gone from having a bullseye on their backs and "they aren't going to be good this year" to still having a bullseye on their backs and being the team to beat. Only two teams did. And those two teams will likely be playing each other for state.

Eastview faces BSM on Thursday. If they land within 3 at the close of the game, I'll be mighty impressed. So take care of the ground balls (meaning don't let there be any) and remember: You've got to believe to make it happen.

[mnlax07]

Ok, so seeing that the season is winding down, i think it's time to talk about All-state and all-americans. Which of BSMs attack and D are going to make, blake, EP... so lets get going.

ATTACK: Dooley, Hartmen(40+ goals, 30+ assists*), Draxler(40+ goals*), Baxter, ect..
MID: Seivold, Hewitt, Fong, Shmitt
DEFENSE: Gilligan(probably the most points by a long pole this season w/ something like 15*), Donna, BSM's LSM (don't know his name), Johnson (BSM)
GOALIE: The BSM goalie (also don't know his name), Flemming, Slatts


These are just names that I can think of from teams that I have seen play. So please correct me if you think I'm wrong

*stats from lax.com

[MNlaxer17]

I agree with laxmom saying that eastview will lose in state. But this year the seniors on the team didn't really do anything for eastview and i saw a freshman (number 29 on eastview) go out and put on a show with three or four goals in the section championship. Section 3 will always be weak with only Lakeville and Eagan posing a challenge in the next years to Eastview but i think they have a chance in the next few years to make a run at winning it.

[MNlaxer17]

Just another question, knowing that Baxter and Whigdal are going to Fairfield. Where is all the other main seniors going to play next year?

[Ketnar]

Does anybody know of any website that has the individual points for everyone in the state?

And also, Wighdahl isn't going to Fairfield next year. He is going to Bridgington Academy (I believe thats the name but not positive), which is a prep school.

[CCLAX07]

JJ Griesenger and Me (Cory) are going to tri state next year, Kyrilis is going to RPI, Flemming is going to wheeling jesuit, Stello i heard umbc but i could be wrong, Matt Gilbert is going exxcel junior college out in md, fong is going to the U or Duluth, schmidty is going to st johns new york, and theirs more but i g2g.

and All-state is open for a lot of people becausethey dont just look at how good you are, but how u act on the field like fong for example that could hurt him and it doesnt matter what u did others years, this year only counts.

[blaxer2]

is any1 trying out for U16 yeti and if they are when are they

[MNlaxer17]

not dissing yeti but i heard no one plays it its either Chill Loons or Elite

[blaxer2]

every1 plays yeti i heard it is hard to make.

Anyways back to the state tournamnet how is eastview in there?????????? I saw them play early this year and they sucked and now they are dominating their section what happened

[minnesotalax]

are the all state teams announced at the championship game on friday? or is that just a rumor

[MNlaxer17]

Ya Eastview definatly is a shocker. We played Eastview early this year i wasn't there but i heard it was tied untill we got a stick penalty and fell apart. And now they go and destroy section 3. Even though it was a weaker section it still is an accomplishment. they have youth so they will only get better.

As for the all-state team being announced it was announced last year at after the game but that was club and im not sure now that its ligit

[blaxer2]

if any1 is playing u16 yeti please reply

[mnlax9]

is there goona be a u17 yeti?

[blaxer2]

state predictions???????????????????

do you rly have to be invited to elite?

[mnlax9]

what time does the state final start

[LAXMomx3]

The below lists only includes those playing in the NCAA (vs. club or other) who have listed themselves as recruited or committed in some way on Laxpower. If there is an error, or if you're not mentioned, correct your information or add it. Good luck to all next year!
Name / position / College / Div / High School
Tom Cykana / Attack / Skidmore / 3 / Hopkins
Matt Cutshall / Defense / Vassar / 3 / Edina
Nate Thiel / Midfleid / Washington College / 3 / Breck
JJ Griesinger / Attack / Tri-State / 3 / AHA
Cory Childs / Attack/Mid / Tri-State / 3 / Prior Lake
Alex Wesenberg / Attack / Queens / 2 / Jefferson
Matt Messina / Defense / Fontbonne / 3 / Woodbury
Trey Schulte / Midfield / Fontbonne / 3 / Woodbury
Justin Berrett / Goalie / Nichols / 3 / BSM
Brett Hartmann / Attack-Mid / RIT / 3 / BSM
C'topher Dressen / Defense / Catawba / 2 / BSM
Michael Gilligan / Defense / Kenyon / 3 / BSM
Nathan Holmes / Midfield / Adrian / 3 / Osseo
Kenny Fleming / Goalie / Wheeling Jesuit / 2 / Osseo
Tony Schrank / Midfield / Adrian / 3 / Eden Prairie
Todd Baxter / Attack-Mid / Fairfield / 1 / Eden Prairie

[MNlaxer17]

is there goona be a u17 yeti?

No there isn't a U17 Yeti but there is a U17 Lax loons and U17 Elite. U17 tryouts already happened and we already had a team meeting. As for the Elite, that team is a tryout invite team only.

[minnesotalax]

state predictions???????????????????

do you rly have to be invited to elite?

yes, you do have to be invited to tryout for elite

[mnlax4life]

Are the games going to be televised? Is there anyway the top seeds will go down on Thursday anyway?

[LAXMomx3]

Are the games going to be televised? Is there anyway the top seeds will go down on Thursday anyway?

Have heard nothing about television and that is usually a long process with the MSHSL (thinking hockey and basketball this year -- can't recall about football). So, Highly doubtful. Frankly, I think we should be demanding of a little more press this year before jumping to tv!

I have learned to never say never (re: top seeds going down). Who knows what could happen in the next three days of practice. Someone could get over-confident and someone else could find their own level of perfection. No one would deny that Eastview has peaked at the appropriate time and who knows what Osseo's goalie can truly stop. The odds are surely against EP and BSM going down, and it's probably a bet I wouldn't make, but that surely doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

[mnlaxer00]

Whos leading the state in points right now

[LAXMomx3]

what time does the state final start

Everything takes place at Wayzata HS:

Semi-final Rounds: Thursday, May 24
BSM (15-0) vs. Eastview (10-5) @ 6pm
EP (14-1) vs. Osseo (13-1) @ 8pm

Finals: Friday, May 25
Consolation Game @ 6pm
Championship Game @ 8pm

[mnlax4life]

Everything takes place at Wayzata HS:

Semi-final Rounds: Thursday, May 24
BSM (15-0) vs. Eastview (10-5) @ 6pm
EP (14-1) vs. Osseo (13-1) @ 8pm

Finals: Friday, May 25
Consolation Game @ 6pm
Championship Game @ 8pm


Is the paper going to do any coverage? And what about that all state thing, when does it happen? And lets see some more predictions...

[JollyRogerPt2]

Interesting "battle" for Coach of the Year between Eastview's Head and BSM's Head.

Eastview - for taking a team that no-one thought would compete for years and turning it into a state tourney Semi-finalist (and possibly more - game not played yet).

BSM - For winning with large expectations ringing their necks... WHen everyone expects you to win, it takes a unique coaching staff to get players to focus on team goals, the game plan and continuous improvement.

[LAXMomx3]

Is the paper going to do any coverage?

If any of you guys are going to the game as a team, with your coaches, or whatever... you should call the press and invite them to sit with you. Make your own little media day out of it. I read inside lacrosse and there is just no way the media here in MN knows the venacular in order to write more than so-and-so scored so many goals and so-and-so had so many saves. As for the midfield action, what the rules are... they don't have a good enough clue. You want coverage?.. you're gonna have to teach them the game. But the upside is, it's a GREAT story line: Having team X critique and explain... not just the good things, but the mistakes -- big and little -- that can turn a game.

And here's the thing about All-State, all-conference, first team and the rest: You have to know the guys' names. And not all teams saw all players. It can't be all about goals.assists (although I think Hartmann from BSM has that pretty much locked up due to their blow out season/regular season schedule) because that pretty much ignores the transition middie and the entire defense. And since the MBSLA website didn't keep track of stats for the MSHSL this year, the only accurate resource is going to be the MSHSL website. And when it comes to that, a lot of schools posted their stats (goals/assists and maybe saves), but a few -- thinking AHA -- did not.

But still, even the MSHSL stats don't include forced turn overs, interceptions, groundballs, or the dreaded turn over. So we can list the obvious suspects, mostly based on last year's list or IF you saw him play this year consistently (everyone can have a good or bad game), but mostly this is a discussion among the coaches. Do you consider how good a player is at his role? Like a d-pole who boxes out so another D can get the groundball. How about how dedicated or how hard they worked or improved, or.. is it all just numbers (some that your team may or may not keep track of)? I have no idea what goes into those decisions, what kind of weight one has over the other, Or if it's all a crap-shoot. And let's take Fong for example... With all the pre-season talk, I'll admit I wasn't all that impressed with his play, but more importantly to me, I personally think his behavior this season should not earn him any lauds in the sport. But what do I know about how remorseful or redeeming he became? Nada. And so, do we really want to go there on a case by case basis? And too.. if you post on here -- do you really want/need to read the critique on yourself good AND bad?

[anklebreakerMN]

Interesting "battle" for Coach of the Year between Eastview's Head and BSM's Head.

Eastview - for taking a team that no-one thought would compete for years and turning it into a state tourney Semi-finalist (and possibly more - game not played yet).

BSM - For winning with large expectations ringing their necks... WHen everyone expects you to win, it takes a unique coaching staff to get players to focus on team goals, the game plan and continuous improvement.


i know last year they gave out assistant coach of the year...I think BSM is going to win that one, but the coach of the year might go to Eastview, Tonka, or Blake...

[JollyRogerPt2]

IT could go to Tonka/Blake - I can see that argument.

But I'd narrow it to Eastview or BSM for reasons noted above.

[anklebreakerMN]

i think Ryan Ward should be considered as well...I mean he does play for the swarm....

[blaxer2]

i agree tim roche of eastview will probably take the award but it will be close.

[mnlax4life]

My crack at all 3 teams:

Attack: Hartmann (BSM), Dooley (Blake), Baxter (EP)
Middie: Costello (STA), Seivold (Blake), Schmidt (MTKA)
Defense: Donna (EP), Gilligan (BSM), Gilbert (Breck)
Goalie: Flemming (Osseo)
LSM: Johnson (Blake)

Attack: Draxler (BSM), Vibbard (BSM), Wesenberg (Jefferson)
Middie: Fong (Wayzata), Hewitt (EP), Mauzy (Breck)
Defense: McMahon (Wayzata), Johnson (BSM), Strauss (Jefferson)
Goalie: Barrett (BSM)
LSM: Kyrilis (Osseo)

Attack: Upjohn (Blake), Jones (EP), Rondorf (Eastview)
Middie: Strand (Cent.), Minarik (BSM), Trettel (MTKA)
Defense: Dressen (BSM), Oaster (AHA), Allen (Blake)
Goalie: Slattery (Wayzata)
LSM: Balfanz (PL)

These are what i came up with using what info i could find. I also took into account what role they play for their team. It is also just a guess....so make your own if you dont agree. (The names in bold are playing in the final 4.)

[senorlax17]

To people wondering about the Yeti: As far as I know, there will be both a U16 and U17 team this year. The only way to get on the 17 team is to get invited to the tryout, the U16 tryout is open, I think. But I am fairly certain that both teams will be operating this summer. How do I know? I played on the team last summer and get updates on the team regularly.

mnlax: I like your assessment of the teams, though I might put Upjohn higher, and it seems like some of your players were just taken from last year's Elite team and put high, but it is a much better list than anything I would make so I can't criticize too much.

Also, I was looking back at one of the old all-state team lists from 2005 from the MBSLA site, and on there it had the basic positions filled for everything, but then a face-off middie as well. Also, for the honorable mentions, it seemed like every position had twice as many players as usual there. Anyone know how that's going to work this year? I, for one, just can't wait to see what finally happens this year: who wins it all and who takes all-state, all-conference, etc. It should be exciting.

[mnlaxer00]

http://www.pointstreak.com/prostats/playoffstandings.html?leagueid=471&seasonid=1939

It looks like thats what the MSHSL is going to be using for the state games

[CCLAX07]

lol spencer balfanz is not a long stick.....and straus from jefferson played attack this year.

i think ur thinking of Sam Morse for LSM because he was our lead defensmen who deserves some love.

but man im really looked down apon i dont even know half these middies being talked about. i aint getting any love lol

[CCLAX07]

oh and laxmom i agree on your thoughts for all state it odenst come down to points ecpecially for middies. attitude can go al ong way and i learned that last year

[anklebreakerMN]

Attack: Hartmann (BSM), Dooley (Blake), Baxter (EP)
Middie: Costello (STA) , Seivold (Blake), Schmidt (MTKA)
Defense: Donna (EP), Gilligan (BSM), Johnson BSM
Goalie: Flemming (Osseo)
LSM: O'toole BSM - held costello and seivold to 0 points, and dominated the midfield vs. Edina - didnt know about him until I saw him play

Attack: Draxler (BSM), Vibbard (BSM), Folley (Tonka)
Middie: Mlarnik (BSM), Hewitt (EP), Wessenberg (Jefferson)
Defense: McMahon (Wayzata), Gilbert (Breck) , Edina - 24
Goalie: Barrett (BSM)
LSM: Kyrilis (Osseo)

Attack: AJ (Edina), Jones (EP), Rondorf (Eastview)
Middie: Strand (Cent.), Nanne (BSM), Turner (AHA), Childs (PL)
Defense: ], Oaster (AHA), Edina 11, Minneapolis 19
Goalie: Slattery (Wayzata)
LSM: Katkov (Edina)

[LAXMomx3]

Hey.. it's all about Eden Prairie.. but Lax got some press this morning!! And this is what I mean about having a good story line, especially when you don't know the game well enough to analyze. It is pretty unique that the two head coaches on the girls' side have two sons playing on the boys side and they're both in the state playoffs. Why the coverage has mostly focused on EP is curious (I am thinking the swarm connection at the beginning of the season), but at least it's something.

[anklebreakerMN]

Hey.. it's all about Eden Prairie.. but Lax got some press this morning!! And this is what I mean about having a good story line, especially when you don't know the game well enough to analyze. It is pretty unique that the two head coaches on the girls' side have two sons playing on the boys side and they're both in the state playoffs. Why the coverage has mostly focused on EP is curious (I am thinking the swarm connection at the beginning of the season), but at least it's something.


I could only remember your post from earlier this year as I was reading that Mom...you know, the one about the local papers....

i saw it as well...the pioneer press had a brief story too today

[riversideblues]

draxler is bsm's best attackman, without question. he creates all the double teams and dumps to the other two. he is thick, quick and has a good stick and moves. he will succeed at the next level. he should draw the other teams best pole every time or they are making a huge mistake. he is better than baxter despite where he goes to college. fairfield MIGHT be a top 10 d3 team anyway and a top 5 d2 team at best.

not having josh birkholz (blake) anywhere on this list is a joke. he has the hardest and best outside shot in the state as a sophomore. he used 3 different sticks this season including one he had never used before dropping two in the section 5 championship.

o'toole did not hold seivold to zero points but did play well and is deserving of either 1st or 2nd team.

if bsm does not win the championship it will be a monumental choke. bsm/blake was the real championship anyway.

[anklebreakerMN]

draxler is bsm's best attackman, without question. he creates all the double teams and dumps to the other two. he is thick, quick and has a good stick and moves. he will succeed at the next level. he should draw the other teams best pole every time or they are making a huge mistake. he is better than baxter despite where he goes to college. fairfield MIGHT be a top 10 d3 team anyway and a top 5 d2 team at best.

not having josh birkholz (blake) anywhere on this list is a joke. he has the hardest and best outside shot in the state as a sophomore. he used 3 different sticks this season including one he had never used before dropping two in the section 5 championship.

o'toole did not hold seivold to zero points but did play well and is deserving of either 1st or 2nd team.

if bsm does not win the championship it will be a monumental choke. bsm/blake was the real championship anyway.

its obvious riverside plays for blake, - and you guys had one hell of a year....I agree with you Birkholz could be on the list anywhere as well....but having a hard shot doesnt mean you make the list, the problem with this is there is a limited number of nominations per team....no more than 5 are eligble per team for All State...that is the real joke....

I'm pretty sure the only goal Jordan had was on man up....from a feed from Birk...

[JollyRogerPt2]

RSB -
FYI - Fairfield is a very good D1 team. Wins this year over Dartmouth, St. Johns (NY), Harvard, Providence, Rutgers, Bucknell, and losses to G-Town, UNC, Penn State, HObart, and Loyola

I will be interested to see how Baxter does v. D1 defensemen. Two of his lower point games came against Lakeville and Eastview - who both put outstanding athletes on him (Edom for Eastview, Zach Hanson for Lakeview).

[LAXMomx3]

I'm pretty sure the only goal Jordan had was on man up....from a feed from Birk...

Actually, Sievold didn't have a goal in the BSM game, but he did have two assists. However, the bigger shut down of that game was of David Upjohn who ended his season with something like 56 points with 44 goals and didn't get either a goal or an assist in the BSM game. And actually, now that I look at this, how does BSM earn all these top spots here? Regardless of where they are now, we agreed their regular season wasn't all that competitive -- which you'd then expect some great point totals for them. The point being, yes, Hartmann has something like 87 points (impressive for sure), but you have to give some credit to the fact he was shooting fish in a barrel the majority of the season. So comparatively, Upjohn, Dooley and Birkholz (plus a few from EP, MTKA and others for that matter) are just as impressive as anything BSM has. And while I don't know what goes into these picks, but BSM's schedule shouldn't work to their benefit them in every category for All-State. And before you all go jumping on me.. I DEFINITELY recognize the strength of BSM's team -- including Hartmann, their LSM and a defender or two, but as for their attack overall, I look at who they played and who made all the points all season.. and I have to wonder -- Did they ever play the rest of their team even in their blow outs?

[riversideblues]

i agree that having a hard shot doesnt get you on the teams. having the BEST outside shot in the state DOES, not to mention he has enough points to be there anyway. i welcome anyone to contest that they themselves or anyone else has a better outside shot. his only competitors are on his own team. no pt last year and having the season he did should seal a second team slot. he is better than the #2 attackman on any team in the state. i am the blake water boy, you got me.

[LAXMomx3]

I agree fairfield is a pretty good D1 school, and much like Hurley, he may see some minutes the first year and then we'll just have to see how far his career goes. Baxter is a tenacious worker and he's got a pretty good gene pool for having a nose for the game.

But I don't think it's fair to slam DIII schools as less than competitive -- especially a few of the leagues, to say nothing of their academics.

[LAXMomx3]

i am the blake water boy, you got me.

Now this is funny! good one.

[anklebreakerMN]

i agree that having a hard shot doesnt get you on the teams. having the BEST outside shot in the state DOES, not to mention he has enough points to be there anyway. i welcome anyone to contest that they themselves or anyone else has a better outside shot. his only competitors are on his own team. no pt last year and having the season he did should seal a second team slot. he is better than the #2 attackman on any team in the state. i am the blake water boy, you got me.


great shooter yes...great dodger??? - i wouldnt know, he never did.....

[JollyRogerPt2]

AnklebreakerMN - Let's not get the thread locked again.
LaxMom3- goals are goals. There are many reasons why BSM's stats may be very comparable v those from other conf's such as playing time, scoring depth at other positions etc. But there are reasons that they may not - nevertheles, a comparison of the validity of statistics can be done, but is probably beyond the purview of debate on this message board.

I'm pretty sure - (at least I hope) - that a team with State Title Goals could care less about who are all state players. Any championship coach OR player will tell you that a team championship is what you remember. Individual awards fade.

And this is even more true in the MSHSL because the amount of nominations is artificially limited. As a result, by definition, the "all state" team is anything but that.

Can I suggest that we talk more about the matchups and games and less about individual awards? There are some great story lines here.

Eastview's rise to prominance vs. BSM's march to the title.

Eastview's Attack v. BSM's Defense

EP's Baxter v Osseo's Fleming.

3 Minnesota-trained Coaches leading Final 4 teams

Who are the underclassmen that must do well for their teams to win it all this week?
And many more.

[riversideblues]

fairfield is NOT a very good d1 team.

as i said, they would be a top10 d3 team and a top5 d2 team, maybe. in fact, i think our club boys at duluth could beat them.

point being, going d1 only means something depending on the school you go to. there are d1 programs that people have never heard of.

salisbury would crush fairfield and the majority of fairfield players could not play for salisbury. fact.

nothing against baxter, you people just need a little education.

[mnlax4life]

fairfield is NOT a very good d1 team.

as i said, they would be a top10 d3 team and a top5 d2 team, maybe. in fact, i think our club boys at duluth could beat them.

point being, going d1 only means something depending on the school you go to. there are d1 programs that people have never heard of.

salisbury would crush fairfield and the majority of fairfield players could not play for salisbury. fact.

nothing against baxter, you people just need a little education.


No way could Duluth beat them, that is absolutely absurd.

[LAXMomx3]

This post became totally random in the face of disappearing posts. So, I've deleted this one myself.

[mnlax12]

fairfield is NOT a very good d1 team.

as i said, they would be a top10 d3 team and a top5 d2 team, maybe. in fact, i think our club boys at duluth could beat them.

point being, going d1 only means something depending on the school you go to. there are d1 programs that people have never heard of.

salisbury would crush fairfield and the majority of fairfield players could not play for salisbury. fact.

nothing against baxter, you people just need a little education.

Thats bogus that you would think a D3 team better than a decent D1 team. Fairfield might not be the best D1 team out there, but they are certainly not one of the worst teams in D1. If they had not won a game all season maybe you could make this statement, but your reasoning just doesn't make sense.
And the UMD Bulldogs would get blown out of the water. Thats like beer league softball compared to major league baseball.

[LAXMomx3]

Eastview's Attack v. BSM's Defense

Not gonna happen. As I've already pointed out, they completely shut-down Blake's Upjohn (which was a first and only all season). I just don't see where Eastview is deep or broad enough to pull that defense off target. PLUS... there's that whole midfield game where BSM comes up with just about every groundball. And as also has been pointed out, Eastview is incredibly young, especially compared to Benilde's 14 seniors, which gives them additional size of bodies as well, thinking Edina game where the second half was barely the same team. I'm really hoping it's a good game, but Eastview has got to be slightly intimidated; They'd be delusional to not be. On the other hand, that just might be the ticket they need! Because if they come out with any kind of nerves or bobbles, BSM will jump all over it and the game will be gone sooner rather than later.

[riversideblues]

before i became the blake waterboy i was the ballboy for fairfield and have thus seen them very close-up.

i have also seen duluth several times close-up and think they could definitely give them a game, if not beat them.

the fact that you think it is absurd for a club team to be able beat the all mighty d1 program shows how much you don't know about the game.

there are highschool teams that can beat college teams and middle school teams that can beat highschool teams. this game is not black and white and the concentration of talent isn't in one area.

[LAXMomx3]

Thats bogus that you would think a D3 team better than a decent D1 team.

Not bogus. Key word: Decent.

There are lots of highly competitive DIII schools and the top DI coaches are fully aware that the distinction between the two divisions' talent load is becoming less so over the years. Lacrosse isn't football. As for decent, let's just say I wouldn't put UNC against Fairfield and be the least doubtful of the outcome.

[riversideblues]

reasoning? i didnt give you a reason but i will now:

some of the best players flunk out of d1 programs, can't get in or want to get playing time right away and an opprtunity to win a national champioship rather than waiting to play for a d1 team or never having a chance to win at a school like fairfield. never say never, i guess, but most likely not in our lifetime, maybe final 4.

you know we're talking about lacrosse right, do you know anything about this game or have you been stuck in southern canada your whole life?????

[mnlax4life]

[QUOTE=JollyRogerPt2]
EP's Baxter v Osseo's Fleming.QUOTE]

I assume Osseo will try to lock Baxter but he will still make an impact. He will open it up for his other attackmen and the middies up top. The middies will have to be able to beat Flemming from up top, I dont think that will happen. But like it or not, Flemming is the only way Osseo can win. He needs to play like he did last year in the final four. And even that may not be enough. Osseo must find a way to score on EP's defense.

[burnsvillelax1]

Osseo is going to lock out Baxter but they have too many players for Osseo to handle. Baxter is quick and shifty and will work to make an impact against Osseo.

As for the other game, I dont think Benilde is going to have trouble at all. Their attackman are sick and the rest of their team is good enough to beat every team.

Once EP and BSM win, that championship game is going to be one of the best MN has ever seen!

[JollyRogerPt2]

I'm curious to see what Osseo does. I think that MNLAX's point that "Osseo must find a way to score" is exactly correct. If I'm Osseo's coach (and I'm not), I'd have to seriously think about doing 3 things - First, forcing tempo from defense to offense. Fleming can start transition if the Osseo mids get up field, including Kyrilis. They will need unsettled situations to score goals. Second, make someone shoot other than Baxter and Jones, counting on Fleming to stop most other shots. Third, Increase the quantity and duration of Osseo's offensive possessions. Part of this is done via offensive patience, and part is done via the Riding game. Perhaps some type of ride that pressures EP, whether a press ride, or a deep zone that can double once you cross midfield. Kyrills can have a major effect in the Riding game if played that way. And that may translate into more possessions - and thus more goals. Not sure though if Osseo has such a ride in it's bag-o-tricks.

EP must be ready to rely upon players other than Baxter if he's taken out of the game, either via a lockout, or other junk type defense (Note - I'm not saying Osseo's defense is junk, but rather using the term to refer to a unique defense set up to stop a certain player - a box/2 is such a defense.) EP has the players to succeed against such a system, but must give those players the freedom to do so.

[anklebreakerMN]

Thats bogus that you would think a D3 team better than a decent D1 team. Fairfield might not be the best D1 team out there, but they are certainly not one of the worst teams in D1. If they had not won a game all season maybe you could make this statement, but your reasoning just doesn't make sense.
And the UMD Bulldogs would get blown out of the water. Thats like beer league softball compared to major league baseball.

your way off here...ask Michigan what the score is every year when they play Kenyon (d3) - Michigan Wins....

Or ask BYU what the score was when they playe NYIT this fall...BYU (MCLA national champs) one that one as well...

It all honesty, some of the upper d3 and d2 programs can hang with or beat most of the 15 and below d1 squads...

I dont neccessarily think UMD is a "beer league team" - I consider your views as uninformed, but if you look hard enough you see your wrong......

[LAXMomx3]

your way off here...ask Michigan what the score is every year when they play Kenyon (d3) - Michigan Wins....

Kenyon is a great school. I have a lot of family that went there. But picking them as your D3 to DI comparison wasn't exactly a good example, except for their playing a DI team. I wonder what would happen if say, Denison (same conference as Kenyon and beat them 10-1 this season) played that same game. And even then... Denison, while good and commanding in their conference, is still not Salisbury, Gettysburg or Middlebury.

[LAXMomx3]

Once EP and BSM win, that championship game is going to be one of the best MN has ever seen!

I don't know about that. I still think BSM is going to dominate (unless as it's been noted they completely choke), but depending on how hard EP has to work against Osseo (and I don't know how hard that will be as has been laid out), it could be less of a game than we'd all like it to be. But give EP some credit for knowing what it's like to have targets on their backs -- in just about every sport. And.. it's a huge school. The crowd will lift them too. Plus.. If EP girls win (which I am fairly confident they will), they'll have that sweep thing to aim for -- which actually makes me want BSM to win even more. :-)

[sassylax33]

just to clear things up... i believe the lacrosse magazine had fairfield ranked 17th in the nation preseason. but who cares..

[BSM24]

Kenyon is a great school. I have a lot of family that went there. But picking them as your D3 to DI comparison wasn't exactly a good example, except for their playing a DI team. I wonder what would happen if say, Denison (same conference as Kenyon and beat them 10-1 this season) played that same game. And even then... Denison, while good and commanding in their conference, is still not Salisbury, Gettysburg or Middlebury.

Michigan is club, not DI. And I'm not liking that example. I'm going to Kenyon next year :( Anyways, I was playing on Upjohn all the Blake game, and the way that it seemed he was trying to get all his goals was by going up top and then hoping I would slide early on Dooley. But since we were able to close him behind the net and not slide to early, we were able to shut them down on 6v6. But he never really touched the ball much, and everytime he did, I'd give him a poke and he'd pass it off quick.

[LAXMomx3]

Hopefully we can agree that no one should pick a school just to play lacrosse... not DI, DII or DIII or even club. As a parent who has, who does and who will pay tuition, hopefully you're going to a school for an education.. to learn, study, do well. Become contributing members of society. All that good stuff. And I personally think that anytime a kid gets recruited DI, DII, DIII or whatever.. it just opens the door for other kids in MN to get noticed. And we should just be proud.

And too.. Fairfield is a really beautiful school. Even if Baxter never played lacrosse there, it hopefully was his top choice regardless. The truth is, even in being recruited, there are kids who get cut in fall ball, players walk on and maybe take your place, you get hurt, academics, whatever. You better like the school MORE than you like their coach (he could be fired tomorrow) or their lax program. Most importantly, do your parents a favor. Graduate!!!

[Airsloth]

RSBlues- I think your knowledge of lacrosse is below terrible. Did you actually realize what you were saying when you said that UMD would give Fairfield a good game??? You obvioulsy don't know anything... Fairfield was 6-6 overall and played in one of the toughest confrences in the NCAA's this year. I would say that beating Dartmouth and Bucknell and losing to GEORGETOWN..(yes "the" GTOWN) in an 8-7 game distinguishes them as a pretty legit D1 lacrosse team!! So you may want to rethink before you speak???

[mnlax12]

I guess I was a little harsh about callin UMD a beer league team, but you can see what I am getting at. And if I was being recruited by D1 teams, I would definiteley go to the D1 team over the D3 team. With college tuition as high as it is these days, I would rather recieve some scholarship money and get to play lacrosse than pay full tuition and play lacrosse. I know that the scholarships aren't like they are in football or basketball, but it's better than nothing.

[LAXMomx3]

OK.. you know that website that was mentioned earlier?? It looks like it's going to be really great. Look what kind of stats they kept for the girls games tonight! And ff you go click on the MSHSL seal, it takes you to a page that also links you to a press release. Nice!

http://www.pointstreak.com/prostats/scoreboard.html?leagueid=473&seasonid=1941

Girls finals tomorrow:
Eden Prairie vs. Blake tomorrow at Hopkins field.

[LAXMomx3]

PS.. Eastview get your logo in!

[BSM24]

I guess I was a little harsh about callin UMD a beer league team, but you can see what I am getting at. And if I was being recruited by D1 teams, I would definiteley go to the D1 team over the D3 team. With college tuition as high as it is these days, I would rather recieve some scholarship money and get to play lacrosse than pay full tuition and play lacrosse. I know that the scholarships aren't like they are in football or basketball, but it's better than nothing.

I do agree with you for alot of cases but not all. When I was looking at colleges, I (along with Hartmann) was getting recruited by NYIT (DII), and they did offer me a decent amount of money. But I decided not to persue it because a technical college isn't at all wat I was looking for. Kenyon has AMAZING academics, and small class sizes. Plus I get to play on a team that went 12-2 this year, so it was an easy choice for me. Though for a place like Fairfield or something that would be able to offer a much better class selection, it would be crazy not to go there.

[LAXMomx3]

And if I was being recruited by D1 teams, I would definiteley go to the D1 team over the D3 team. With college tuition as high as it is these days, I would rather recieve some scholarship money and get to play lacrosse than pay full tuition and play lacrosse. I know that the scholarships aren't like they are in football or basketball, but it's better than nothing.

You know.. from what I've read, DI lax programs have something like 9 to 11 full scholarships to hand out (I don't know what the number is but it's less than half the number of players... and they divide it mostly in pieces -- a little to one, maybe more to another, etc. So... unless you're really something by DI standards, I am thinking there's not a whole lot of scholarship money going around to individual players. Of course, that doesn't say anything about financial aid for those in need, OR academic scholarship, etc. But don't dismiss a DIII school because of lacking athletic scholarships. Private schools can be very creative when they wish to be.

[CCLAX07]

First Team All State
Middies: Costello Schmit Seivold. FO: Fong

Attack: Baxter Dooley Hartmann

Defense: Gilligan Gilbert Donna

LSM : kyrilis

Goalie: Flemming

thats all i know, my coach left when they were voting on 2nd and 3rd team

[mnlax4life]

First Team All State
Middies: Costello Schmit Seivold. FO: Fong

Attack: Baxter Dooley Hartmann

Defense: Gilligan Gilbert Donna

LSM : kyrilis

Goalie: Flemming

thats all i know, my coach left when they were voting on 2nd and 3rd team


Is that for sure?

[StickTrick]

Is that for sure?

looks like it is

[mnlax12]

You know.. from what I've read, DI lax programs have something like 9 to 11 full scholarships to hand out (I don't know what the number is but it's less than half the number of players... and they divide it mostly in pieces -- a little to one, maybe more to another, etc. So... unless you're really something by DI standards, I am thinking there's not a whole lot of scholarship money going around to individual players. Of course, that doesn't say anything about financial aid for those in need, OR academic scholarship, etc. But don't dismiss a DIII school because of lacking athletic scholarships. Private schools can be very creative when they wish to be.
I realize that the money is not that much, maybe 1/3 of a scholarship at best(if you are not one of their top recruits) but that is still better than nothing. Most private D3 schools cost just as much as private D1 schools, so you will be saving some money. These private D1 schools can offer similar class sizes but often more course selection. You will also get to play D1 lacrosse.

On a different note, anyone think EP has a chance against BSM once they get past Osseo?

[LAXMomx3]

First Team All State
Middies: Costello Schmit Seivold. FO: Fong

Attack: Baxter Dooley Hartmann

Defense: Gilligan Gilbert Donna

LSM : kyrilis

Goalie: Flemming

thats all i know, my coach left when they were voting on 2nd and 3rd team

Uncanny predictions for MNLAX4Life and Anklebreaker. While neither picked a FO guy in their lists, they only missed out on the LSM in Kyrilis (MNLAX had Blake's Johnson and AnkleBreaker had BSM's O'Toole). Pretty impressive!

Why would a coach leave when voting 2nd and 3rd teams?

[CCLAX07]

i have no idea but yea thats final i guess


and it makes anxious about 2nd 3rd team and honorable mention cuz im in the mix

[mnlax4life]

On a different note, anyone think EP has a chance against BSM once they get past Osseo?


I know that that final is very likely and probable, but lets be fair to Eastview and Osseo and wait to talk about the championship game until we know for sure? After all, nobody in here gives either one a chance, but thats how upsets can happen.

[anklebreakerMN]

Uncanny predictions for MNLAX4Life and Anklebreaker. While neither picked a FO guy in their lists, they only missed out on the LSM in Kyrilis (MNLAX had Blake's Johnson and AnkleBreaker had BSM's O'Toole). Pretty impressive!

Why would a coach leave when voting 2nd and 3rd teams?


i think he was refering to the coach leaving while they were still tallying...

I think our coach didnt get home until 10 , and they didnt have all the votes tallied....im not sure if gilbert made first team though - even though he deserves it....not sure, our coach wouldnt tell us, they arent supposed to talk about it yet...

[LAXMomx3]

i think he was refering to the coach leaving while they were still tallying...

I think our coach didnt get home until 10 , and they didnt have all the votes tallied....im not sure if gilbert made first team though - even though he deserves it....not sure, our coach wouldnt tell us, they arent supposed to talk about it yet...

That actually makes a lot more sense... afterall, they'd already missed the Dancing with the Stars finale! And it would so not be fun to think you made it and didn't, so I will hope the list is correct. But now I am just more interested to see how accurate you two were in picking them in the first place! As a means to that end, I've filled in the blanks on your original guess list, that is if the jersey no.'s you gave are correct on the MSHSL team page:

2nd Team: Defense: Cuttshall (Edina)
3rd Team: Defense: Hylok (Edina), Valandra (Mpls).

[CCLAX07]

o and the arent announcing the all state team on friday either i guess? idk its dumb

[LAXMomx3]

o and the arent announcing the all state team on friday either i guess? idk its dumb

Don't they usually notify the recepients and then they all come out on the field to be presented with their medal or whatever they give them? And I am not talking about last year, but for other sports in general. Although, now that I think about it, maybe I only recall this for state hockey tournaments. So it might not be unusual in a general kind of way. But it sure would generate a lot more crowd (i.e., revenue): you've got parents, teammates, etc. It would seem fiscally smart for the MSHSL to announce at the conclusion of the game.

[anklebreakerMN]

Don't they usually notify the recepients and then they all come out on the field to be presented with their medal or whatever they give them? And I am not talking about last year, but for other sports in general. Although, now that I think about it, maybe I only recall this for state hockey tournaments. So it might not be unusual in a general kind of way. But it sure would generate a lot more crowd (i.e., revenue): you've got parents, teammates, etc. It would seem fiscally smart for the MSHSL to announce at the conclusion of the game.


I should have brought this up a while ago....about 2 weeks ago I was told by our coaches that they arent doing it that way this year, apparently the coaches board have to ask for permission to do that with the MSHSL prior to the start of the season, and they said no since they asked so late....so they are going to make the lists available soon, and its up to the coaches to notify the players on the teams that they made once all teams are given to them.....I was hoping to find out on friday too....

if that is the first, who is second and thrid

[CCLAX07]

idk who is they were still voting when my coach left i hope someone on here knows cuz im getting nervous

[burnsvillelax1]

Those all-state teams make sense to me. I dont see Osseo doing well against EP. EP is large, physical, and VERY deep. Yeah, keeping it out of Baxters hands will help, but they have several others who can score. To take Baxter out, you take away your best defender leaving 5 guys against EP's next 5. In that race, EP wins every time.

As far as UMD goes, they could not challenge DI teams. I will say that CSU, BYU, and Michigan usually play DIII teams like Whittier, CC, etc...but could not handle DI schools.

Also remember that some of the best club schools i.e. CSU, UCSB, Sonoma, and BYU are some of the most beautiful places on earth. A lot of those players COULD play DI, DII, or DIII, but would rather say.....surf everyday of the week or ski back country all winter? Going to a crappy school to play lacrosse does not compare!

[riversideblues]

oh wise one, you must have a stellar lacrosse background to have all this knowledge about the game. where did you play? d1 for sure?

[LAXMomx3]

oh wise one, you must have a stellar lacrosse background to have all this knowledge about the game. where did you play? d1 for sure?

Riverblues... You have me completely confused with this post.

[LAXMomx3]

idk who is they were still voting when my coach left i hope someone on here knows cuz im getting nervous

No reason to get nervous. The reality is you have absolutely no control over the situation. None. Your job was the season. There is nothing you can do or not do to change a thing at this point. So.. don't be nervous or anxious, whatever. Although it's understandable to want to make the cut, so to speak, but either you did or you didn't and really, you should be proud of your accomplishments regardless of awards.

(End mom speech)

And now you can roll your eyes. :-)

[MNlaxer17]

Burnsvillelax are you the kid from burnsville on the loons?>

[MNlaxer17]

Burnsvillelax are you the burnsville guy on the loons?

[riversideblues]

just a little sarcasm that apparently traveled under the radar.

a little perturbed with all these experts. letting it get to me but can't seem to pull away from this forum.

[senorlax17]

If that All-State first-team is right, I'd have to say I'm not very happy w/ the Kyrilis pick. I know he was an all-american, but I just don't like his style of play. Too fancy, not enough solid defensive skill, IMO at least. Otherwise I would say that's a pretty good assesment of skill.

As for the UMD, Fairfield, etc. argument, I would have to say that most club teams would have trouble in any league but their own. The top 10 teams (which UMD is one of) could probably hold their own in D3, maybe but up a fight in D2 (like BYU did against Notre Dame de Namur), and might do alright against lower tier D1 team, but against higher D1 teams I don't think they would put up much of a fight. I wouldn't know, since I've never seen two of them play, but I would assume the JHUs, UVAs, etc. would do a number on any club team. And a D1 team is still a D1 team, even if they're not stellar. It's just impressive to make it on a team like that.

Also, I thought I would add that Billy Mauzy is going to D1 Colgate for lacrosse. No one else put that in, so I thought I would.

[BSM24]

Where is Pat McMahon in all this All-state talk. He was invited to try out for the U-19 National team, the only player from Minnesota

[LAXMomx3]

...can't seem to pull away from this forum.
Know the feeling....

[LAXMomx3]

<insert scream here> What the heck is wrong with the Star Trib? Is this writer on the payroll at Eden Prairie or is he personal friends with Ryan Ward??? Crack perhaps?

http://www.startribune.com/west/story/1197559.html

Just explain to me why he would list Eden Prairie as the first team in the headline when BSM is the only undefeated team out there AND is 1st seed?? Why would he choose to not even speak to BSM's coach and yet have a one-on-one with Ryan Ward? You want a slap in the face Anklebreaker? The way the press has responded to this season is a big one for every other team playing in the MSHSL -- great seasons or not. I cannot even tell you how much I want to see EP go down in flames. Yes, not exactly good sportsmanship on my part, but why we feed EP's arrogance is beyond me. But seriously.. to not mention the first seed first? To not get one quote from the top seed's coach? Believe me, that writer knew exactly what he was doing. And by my estimation, he's a hack.

[Airsloth]

Just saw BSM on Kare 11 actually? what do you got to say about that mom?? Don't hate EP just because of the Ryan Ward and his press. By the way you won't see EP go down in flames cause there gonna take it all. It'll be 2 State championships, one already won by the girls..beating Blake:) and one upcoming by the boys!!

[LAXMomx3]

Hey.. I saw that game! And actually, I already said I was pretty confident EP would win that.

As for the boys? Don't count on it.

[LAXMomx3]

Just saw BSM on Kare 11 actually? what do you got to say about that mom??

I'd say my previous post was specifically about the Star Tribune, a newspaper. Not relevant to this.

[CCLAX07]

EP will have a hard time with benilde, but they still both have to win today.

[anklebreakerMN]

Just saw BSM on Kare 11 actually? what do you got to say about that mom?? Don't hate EP just because of the Ryan Ward and his press. By the way you won't see EP go down in flames cause there gonna take it all. It'll be 2 State championships, one already won by the girls..beating Blake:) and one upcoming by the boys!!


hopefully their goalie play has improved signifigantly to make that possible.... :whyme:

[LAXMomx3]

EP will have a hard time with benilde, but they still both have to win today.

ok.. considering the weather... will this have any effect on any of these games tonight (besides the risk of cancel if it shouldn't stop or get worse)? Is wayzata's field turf or grass? Does it make a difference?

[JollyRogerPt2]

1. Wayzata is turf. If rain ends at 3:30 as expected, no impact. IF it continues, Big help for Osseo and Eastview.

2. I've seen the AA list and 2nd/3rd teams - some interesting selections and non-selections... Especially at the AA level...

3. ST's pre-occupation with the Swarm - not a surprise, they are a paying advertiser.

[AHA lax5]

Wayzata has turf. It appears the rain is letting up, but who knows? The weather could make a difference. The turf will be fine because it seems almost brand new and still nice. We will see...

[LAXMomx3]

1. Wayzata is turf. If rain ends at 3:30 as expected, no impact. IF it continues, Big help for Osseo and Eastview.

2. I've seen the AA list and 2nd/3rd teams - some interesting selections and non-selections... Especially at the AA level...

3. ST's pre-occupation with the Swarm - not a surprise, they are a paying advertiser.

What do you mean by AA vs. 2nd/3rd teams? And if you've seen the list, when is it going to be formally released? Care to share what you know? :-)

As for the swarm thing... like it's anything close to field lacrosse -- it's a conflict of interest for sure. But that's still no reason to give the 1st seed in a high school sport second billing. Bad form to be sure.

[sassylax33]

HAHA LAXMOM...! you want to see EP go up in flames? hahahahah.. i sense some blake mom bitterness. don't hate ep because they ruined your boy's win streak. if your boys could play as well as you talk on here, they might be playin tonight!

and why are you so tied up in the press? WHO CARES!? lets have a pity party for LAXMOM because seivold and his crusade haven't been on the news! BOO HOOOOOO.. and about ep being listed first? wow! you've got a keen eye! congrats! my guess would be the ep girls dynasty. not that that is a big deal or anything.

[JollyRogerPt2]

LaxMom - I've seen (and have e-mail copy) of all 4 lists (first/2nd/3rd and AA) lists.

First of all, the first team isn't that surprising. While reasonable minds can differ, I doubt anyone is going to look at the first team and say "the selection of player X is completely in error" Rather, I think some will look and say "Player X is a very good player, but I could have seen Player Y as a first teamer" We're talking some very slight differences on a few players.

Second, please note that I didn't put in the "vs" - I put in "and". Thus the intent of the statement is that there are some interesting selections at AA. THose selections have nothing to do with 2nd/3rd team. And the interesting selections at 2nd/3rd have nothing to do with AA.

And no, I'm not sharing it. It was given in confidence.

[LAXMomx3]

HAHA LAXMOM...! you want to see EP go up in flames? hahahahah.. i sense some blake mom bitterness. don't hate ep because they ruined your boy's win streak. if your boys could play as well as you talk on here, they might be playin tonight!

and why are you so tied up in the press? WHO CARES!? lets have a pity party for LAXMOM because seivold and his crusade haven't been on the news! BOO HOOOOOO.. and about ep being listed first? wow! you've got a keen eye! congrats! my guess would be the ep girls dynasty. not that that is a big deal or anything.

Here is a fine example of EP's arrogance. My "complaint" with EP isn't that they win. It's how they do it. You've got 3500+ students. And yet you enjoy nothing more than talking smack and crushing everyone you can. And you must be so proud of the class your "girls" demonstrated last night, especially Hannah Anderson, who throws her stick like a baby, gets a bad sportmanlike conduct penalty and then rants up and down the track, all while EP was up by nine. Nothing like a little humility. No players off the bench for EP except for the 3-min fill ins for yellow card penalties. And then what does EP's star player do? She comes back on the field at the conclusion of her penalty, swinging at heads. All while their coach pats her on the back rewarding her for the behavior. No humility, no recognition or respect of anyone's prowess but their own. That defines the essense of EPHS Athletics. They don't teach integrity. It's completely sad.

And the press coverage is certainly not related to Blake in the least. Blake never gets press. Private school. No surprise. It was the sport (the whole of the state) that I feel has been completely short changed this season. And just to be clear, a one goal loss the first game of the season with 7 new starters on Blake boys side of the field, wasn't exactly heart-breaking. EP lost to Wayzata. So do yourself a favor and check your ego at the door. And Blake's final loss to BSM? Tell your boys to get in line -- if and when they make it that far.

[Minnesota Laxer]

LaxMom, these rants are embarrasing to read. They are classless.

You talk a lot about class but you don't show much on this website. Especially naming high school students who you think didn't show class in a championship game. Eden Prairie girls had a great squad this year, same as Blake has had in boys lacrosse the last two years. Just say congratulations and move on.

Lastly, the size of the school and the press coverage is not the fault of Eden Prairie. Blake has managed to compete for the last number of years, its hard to understand why you complain now, simply because you lost?

[mnlax12]

Here is a fine example of EP's arrogance. My "complaint" with EP isn't that they win. It's how they do it. You've got 3500+ students. And yet you enjoy nothing more than talking smack and crushing everyone you can. And you must be so proud of the class your "girls" demonstrated last night, especially Hannah Anderson, who throws her stick like a baby, gets a bad sportmanlike conduct penalty and then rants up and down the track, all while EP was up by nine. Nothing like a little humility. No players off the bench for EP except for the 3-min fill ins for yellow card penalties. And then what does EP's star player do? She comes back on the field at the conclusion of her penalty, swinging at heads. All while their coach pats her on the back rewarding her for the behavior. No humility, no recognition or respect of anyone's prowess but their own. That defines the essense of EPHS Athletics. They don't teach integrity. It's completely sad.

And the press coverage is certainly not related to Blake in the least. Blake never gets press. Private school. No surprise. It was the sport (the whole of the state) that I feel has been completely short changed this season. And just to be clear, a one goal loss the first game of the season with 7 new starters on Blake boys side of the field, wasn't exactly heart-breaking. EP lost to Wayzata. So do yourself a favor and check your ego at the door. And Blake's final loss to BSM? Tell your boys to get in line -- if and when they make it that far.
Laxmon, I used to have respect for what you said but I am starting to lose it. Is a rant against all EP athletics really nescessary? Sure, EP may have 3500 students, but that is not the descision of the school. And if you have the numbers to win, why wouldn't you? Just because Blake is a small school doesn't mean they don't have their fair share of good athletes. A private school is able to recruit all they want, considering it is all "open enrollment". Blake can go take any EP player they want if they offer he/she some financial aid and a spot on the team. And so what if an EP girls player was upset while her team was up big. That shows that she is into the game and does not like making mistakes.

[anklebreakerMN]

lets leave MOM alone, I rant, she rants, we all rant, but we all see eye to eye when it comes to the progression of the sport within the state....I agree, the star trib definately could have covered the season a bit better this year, I think thats her frustration....

dont attack her....thats my job... :agree: - aint that right MOM....i get frustrated and say things out of line to her...but I apologize...and she knows it only stupid first thoughts...

Congrats to the EP girls on another championship....

Blake doesnt need the press coverage...as Seivold told me...no one remembers what was written about who, or who was selected to what....they only remember who raises the trophy on friday night....

[riversideblues]

you must be a pretty important guy to have access to that kind of information. you should be sooo proud of yourself to have come sooo far in life. you should just take off your shirt and flex your muscles while looking in the mirror, you stud you. talk about baller status - are you a big time ceo somewhere? i'm just proud to say i'm on the same forum as a guy with your status. maybe we could do lunch some time - if you have time of course.

[Ketnar]

I know first team attack is Dooley hartman and baxter.. and Second team attack is Wesenberg, Upjohn, and Vibbard..

Not sure about the rest..

[sassylax33]

HAHA. can you say bitter? this is funny. you assume way too much, laxmom. for one, i'm not from ep. so don't tell me to "get my boys in line." i'll just stick up for a team i feel is very respectable.

second, "All while their coach pats her on the back rewarding her for the behavior." were you on the field? just curious. from what i saw the coach was trying to calm her down, and you would have to be out of your mind to ASSUME anything else. But anyway, as far as im concerned, bitter one, is girls lacrosse isn't even a sport. so let's not even worry about it.

now, you complain about sportsmanship!? Seivold is the biggest headcase in the state so don't give me that garbage. I've seen multiple penalties on that kid. One in particular, was of course, the WONDERFUL game when the blake bear's win streak was SNAPPED. if you'd like me to explain more about this incident, i'd be more than happy too.

Also, don't give me this "arrogant" crap. you send your kid to a private school, enough said.

[riversideblues]

win streak, do you have a win streak? wayzata, come on bro! if blake was in your section they would have run a train on you. bend over a prepare for benilde to run that train on you this friday. you might as well stay in that position until next year because blake will be filling you with a freight train of goals. but blake recruits lacrosse players so at least you won that argument. get a clue.

[CCLAX07]

i saw the first 2nd and third team but i dont remember exactly where people ended up but just throw some names and ill tell you.

[anklebreakerMN]

you must be a pretty important guy to have access to that kind of information. you should be sooo proud of yourself to have come sooo far in life. you should just take off your shirt and flex your muscles while looking in the mirror, you stud you. talk about baller status - are you a big time ceo somewhere? i'm just proud to say i'm on the same forum as a guy with your status. maybe we could do lunch some time - if you have time of course.


River, who you talking about... i hope it wasnt Jolly Roger...if so you might want to mind your P's and Q's....if thats who I think it is...hes done more for lacrosse than you know....

[anklebreakerMN]

i saw the first 2nd and third team but i dont remember exactly where people ended up but just throw some names and ill tell you.


then congrats cory....

I dont think Jordan is a headcase...actually I think he's quite calm...

[CCLAX07]

whos going to the game tonight?

and ive been curious who are you anklebreaker?

[CCLAX07]

lol oh and the jordan thing, hes not a head case the kids always quiet

[LAXMomx3]

Let's take a small look at the chronology of events, shall we?

I was ticked because 1) every article written about Lacrosse this season has had an EP focus. 2) EP took top billing over BSM. I never once mentioned Blake in my rant. But the response I got was that I was bitter because the Blake boys team lost almost a week ago?

don't hate ep because they ruined your boy's win streak. if your boys could play as well as you talk on here, they might be playin tonight!

as well as

my guess would be the ep girls dynasty. not that that is a big deal or anything.

Ths wasn't even close to a logical response to my post! Are we suggesting EP is deserving of such singular focus by the Strib? Additionally, I'd already said I was confident EP girls would win the championship more than once! Was there a reason to throw that in there? And if it's gonna be tossed up as a serve, I am going to bat it back down. Look, athleticism is never a question when it comes to EP. Never. If EP can't put up a good team, THEN I'd be surprised. But have I ever mentioned the lacking integrity of Hopkins, Edina, Mtka, or Wayzata? Nope. And seriously, how does one hurl their stick as response to a mistake? To defend the behavior, or that which followed, as any kind of appropriate response is just ludicrious. And when a team who has won the state championship 4 times in a row cannot withhold screaming into a camera how they are number one while the opposing team is receiving their five minutes of introduction and recognition, well.. I think there is a real lack of respect for your opponent. If you think it's perfectly fine to act this way, than we can agree to disagree.

[LAXMomx3]

Laxmon, I used to have respect for what you said but I am starting to lose it. Is a rant against all EP athletics really nescessary? Sure, EP may have 3500 students, but that is not the descision of the school. And if you have the numbers to win, why wouldn't you? Just because Blake is a small school doesn't mean they don't have their fair share of good athletes. A private school is able to recruit all they want, considering it is all "open enrollment". Blake can go take any EP player they want if they offer he/she some financial aid and a spot on the team. And so what if an EP girls player was upset while her team was up big. That shows that she is into the game and does not like making mistakes.

I don't know about Breck or BSM, but Blake doesn't offer athletic scholarship. They do, however, provide nearly 3 million a year in need-based aid.

And unless you were at the game, I don't think you can speak to the behavior last night. And frankly, had any boy acted that way.. they'd have been in the box or more likely, ejected from the game.

[mnlax4life]

Why cant we just be peaceful and talk about tonights games?

[LAXMomx3]

girls lacrosse isn't even a sport. so let's not even worry about it.

Also, don't give me this "arrogant" crap. you send your kid to a private school, enough said.

Girls lax was a sanctioned sport in MN five years before the boys. This said.. I do love the boys' game. no doubt. It's just different than girls.

And here's a little vocab for you: Arrogant means having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities. So I don't think the word arrogant would even apply in this case. So, if you still conclude that valuing an education or making it a priority is arrogant ... sue me.

[LAXMomx3]

Why cant we just be peaceful and talk about tonights games?

I honestly thought the rain would never stop today!! But now it looks like all you'll need is a towel to dry off your seat!! I won't be there, so I expect some good play by play reports since you know the media will give only goal totals (another reason why only getting the scores bug me). I am hopeful that the stats sheet the MSHSL has employed will be live updated. That's what they say on their website anyway.

So... personally, I think Eden Prairie will keep their eye on this game and this game only to get through to tomorrow. I think some of Osseo's players can upset EP's offense, but a lot of that weight will fall on their goalie. Their ability to score will also be a question, although the MTKA game made it seem like it can be done against EP's defense. Eastview... I never saw them play this season. But I've seen Benilde. It won't be a matter of who wins, but by how much. And while I don't enjoy it as an opposing fan, I do rather like it when .. is it Gilligan?... gets the ball and charges down the field to score with a long pole. This cannot be as easy as he makes it look.

[Ketnar]

All-American

Todd Baxter Eden Prairie
Joe Costello St. Thomas
Antone Donna Eden Prairie
Kip Dooley Blake
Brett Hartman Benilde-St. Margaret's
Eric Schmit Minnetonka

1st Team All-State

Attack:
Kip Dooley Blake
Todd Baxter Eden Prairie
Brett Hartman Benilde-St. Margaret's

Middies:
Eric Schmit Minnetonka
Jordan Seivold Blake
Joe Costello St Thomas

Defense:
Antone Donna Eden Prairie
Michael Gilligan Benilde-St. Margaret's
Pat McMahon Wayzata

Goalie:
Kevin Fleming Osseo

LSM:
Brian Kyrilis Osseo

Face-off:
Alex Fong Wayzata

2nd Team All-State

Attack:
Alex