push with possession?

[spyopticgoggles]

first off, what is a push with possession?

secondly, in my game today, the ref was calling a push with possession when kids were hitting each other shoulder to shoulder. is this a penalty? and if so, is it called a push with possession?

my understanding of push with possession is when you push somebody while you are in possession of the ball

[3rdPersonPlural]

first off, what is a push with possession?

A push with possession is when a defender pushes a ballhandler from the back. The goal here is to keep checks exclusive to folks who are in front of a dodger

secondly, in my game today, the ref was calling a push with possession when kids were hitting each other shoulder to shoulder. is this a penalty?

If the ref thought that the check originated from behind and the defender just barely managed to get shoulder, sure it is.

and if so, is it called a push with possession?

unless he plum nailed him, in which case it is one of many 1 minute personal fouls.

my understanding of push with possession is when you push somebody while you are in possession of the ball

This is why we have an officiating forum. Your understanding is wrong. Never hit, push, smack, or check a ball handler unless you are engaging his number on the front of his jersey, or his hands and stick. If you are working his back, you are in violation of the rules and we'll ding ya'.

[laxfan25]

my understanding of push with possession is when you push somebody while you are in possession of the ball
No, the push with possession refers to the fact that the person being pushed had the ball in his stick, which makes it a time-serving 30 second technical foul. The other call you will frequently here is "Loose ball - Push! We're going White (or insert color here)" Some refs will still say things like "Loose ball - Blue push - we're going White!" In this case, since there is no possession at the time of the foul, the ball is simply awarded to the fouled team.

[chsattack22]

one game last year the refs we had would say loose ball push- white. we didnt know if it was white who commited the foul or if white gets the ball. its not like the color he said represented the same meaning, he switched it. sometimes the ref called out the single color for possesion and sometimes he called out the single color for who committed the foul. our team and the other team were confused the whole game...

[wolfenburg]

Thats why you should show the direction of play ....

But isn't the one a "push IN posession" while we are talking about a push with posession?
(this would be a turnover as a loos ball push). But it is hard to find a situation where you can push someone while having posession and it is not an interfeerence ...

[LaxRef]

In the US, if Team A has possession and Team B commits an illegal push (not just from behind, but any illegal push), it is called a "push with possession." Think of it as "Push [by Team B] with possession [by Team A]."

If Team A has possession and Team A commits a push, it is generally just called a push, followed by a point and "Blue ball!" (if Team B is blue).

[laxinoregon]

I was always told with possesion changing technical fouls, it was (Insert infraction here, and matching hand signals) (Color of the offending team); (Color who gets possesion, and point in that teams direction).
E.g. Loose ball push Red; Whites ball.

[LaxRef]

I was always told with possesion changing technical fouls, it was (Insert infraction here, and matching hand signals) (Color of the offending team); (Color who gets possesion, and point in that teams direction).
E.g. Loose ball push Red; Whites ball.

Too many words.

"Loose. . . Push. . . White ball!"

People can easily infer that the push was on red.

[laxzeeb]

Personally I think how much you say depends on the environment. In our area, where many fans and even some on the field are unfamiliar with the sport, common in middle school and with some newer high school clubs, we'll call "loose ball push on red, white ball" so people understand. There are times I wish there were another short word for this foul because those who don't understand the game think most any contact is a "push". They don't understand a legal "push" is what we call a "check". Now and then some will say "push from behind on white, going red" to try to make the point. Slash and push-the two most misunderstood words in lacrosse.