California CLUB Lacrosse

[cali feeder]

There seems to be a lot of guys playing club lacrosse in California, so I'm starting up a strictly CA Club Lacrosse thread (thanks for the suggestion, Lax_Conejo).

Whether you're north or south, bring your club lacrosse talk here. Feel free to report scores, standings, predictions, etc, or just talk it up with fellow club players.

Anyone got predictions for the SCLA playoffs?

[tomtom]

My predictions:

Westlake, Agoura, NP allw in first round games.
Agoura vs. Westlake in semis, westlake wins 12-9

Mysteriously, the Oak Park team is kidnapped prior to their game with Newbury, and Newbury advances to the finals by default. Championship game- Westlake is ahead by 3 at half. Oak Park reappears, and blaming westlake on their disappearance, proceed to injure all westlake starters. Newbury comes back to win.

So, anybody want to dispute that with me?


EDIT: [WTB/WTTF] Laughing gas, chloroform, duct tape, and a truck big enough to fit a team inside. Have a bionic and half a spool navy xlace to trade, also cash.

[cali feeder]

My prediction:

TomTom and Cali Feeder have the locker boxing battle of the century, and Cali Feeder flattens him. Demoralized, TomTom returns to NP and reports that it is no use, and that they should drop out of the playoffs. OP goes to win it all, and never lets TomTom forget it. Sometime after, TomTom and the rest of the NP squad dissappear. Some say they hear screams coming from Cali Feeder's basement....

WTB/WTTF: Chains, anvils, a laser, and a vice for ultra purple-nurples. I'm willing to let my LN STX Rotor go for all this.

[LAX_Conejo]

Anyone got predictions for the SCLA playoffs?

If Agoura beats Oak Park would the play-off picture change from what it will be with Oak Park winning? If there is no change, why isn;t the play-off schedule out with the team names filled in??

Seeds
OP
Westake
Agoura
NP
To
SB/Calabasas

Wouldn't Westlake still be second regardless

[tomtom]

Ha ha ha, darling, i think yur a bit outmatched. We NP guys have been lockerboxing for ages.

btw, Rotor+$10 cash for nipple vices?

[3rdPersonPlural]

Santa Barbara wins it all. 3PP officiates all of the games.

Coaches and players alike learn more about Lax rules than they'd ever thought they'd have to know scanning the league's tattered copy looking for 'Scrama lamma flack jorn dow' which rule entitled SB to a three man advantage from initial faceoff on.

Rule remains obscure. 3PP retires from officiating and moves to his own private island in a lake in Kansas.

[cali feeder]

If Agoura beats Oak Park would the play-off picture change from what it will be with Oak Park winning? If there is no change, why isn;t the play-off schedule out with the team names filled in?? I'm not sure. We secured the 1st round bye anyways, so the play-off schedule should be set...

btw, Rotor+$10 cash for nipple vices? Deal.

Santa Barbara wins it all. 3PP officiates all of the games.

Coaches and players alike learn more about Lax rules than they'd ever thought they'd have to know scanning the league's tattered copy looking for 'Scrama lamma flack jorn dow' which rule entitled SB to a three man advantage from initial faceoff on.

Rule remains obscure. 3PP retires from officiating and moves to his own private island in a lake in Kansas. Cali Feeder and TomTom collarborate to undermine 3PP's totalitarian rule, but are flagged for USC and are locked in a dungeon for all of eternity, where they have nothing left to do but locker-box.

[tomtom]

I was sent a schedual today with the playoff seeds.

Westlake v. Calabasas
Agoura v. Santa Barbara(goooooSB!)
NP .v TO

Unless SB, TO, or Calabasas win, it will be Agoura v. Westlake and NP v. OP

[cali feeder]

I was sent a schedual today with the playoff seeds.

Westlake v. Calabasas
Agoura v. Santa Barbara(goooooSB!)
NP .v TO

Unless SB, TO, or Calabasas win, it will be Agoura v. Westlake and NP v. OP

Sounds right, according to the standings.

[westlakelax17]

Good luck to everyone this weekend.

[tomtom]

GL to you too. Ugghhh...stupid jv games ruining my social life.

[westlakelax17]

GL to you too. Ugghhh...stupid jv games ruining my social life.

lol yea they are. I wanted to go to see spiderman 3 or go to cvd tonite, but since the game is at 830 i cant do anything.

[3rdPersonPlural]

I'm doing the Friday, 5/11 game with Newsome and Wilson. My first 3 man mechanic game.

Does anybody know who's playing?

[tomtom]

We wont know for sure until after 1st round playoffs. I believe that, assuming the favorites win in each game, it will be OP v NP.

ps- nice playing tonight alec. And I know you were amazed at my lsm skillz.

pps-do you know who the ref's were tonight? I remember I got hit with a late hit, which could easily have been on accident so i wont argue that, while standing still, no call made, then before play resumes again, "take it easy 46!" Confused the heck out of me as to why i get run into head on, standing still after a whistle, then get reprimanded/warned. If anybody could shed light on this if Im missing something important I'd appreciate it.

[3rdPersonPlural]

I show Wilson solo on that game. He's a senior ref, doing mostly college games these days so you haven't seen him much.

If he was solo, he probably assumed that the contact off the ball was 'pole initiated'. He's a former attackman, so I understand his bias.

Or maybe he suspected that you were coiling up to retaliate.

That was a JV game, right?

[westlakelax17]

We wont know for sure until after 1st round playoffs. I believe that, assuming the favorites win in each game, it will be OP v NP.

ps- nice playing tonight alec. And I know you were amazed at my lsm skillz.

pps-do you know who the ref's were tonight? I remember I got hit with a late hit, which could easily have been on accident so i wont argue that, while standing still, no call made, then before play resumes again, "take it easy 46!" Confused the heck out of me as to why i get run into head on, standing still after a whistle, then get reprimanded/warned. If anybody could shed light on this if Im missing something important I'd appreciate it.


haha thanks man. good job to you too. It seemed like mario was getting pretty pissed off at u guys.

[tomtom]

He wasnt solo, and it wasnt wilson who made the comment. And it wasn't off ball, I had posession when the whistle blew. The retaliation thing makes sense though now that I think back on it.

[westlakelax17]

Westlake 14
Calabassas 3

We played very well. now we just have to get ready for agoura / SB on friday night.

[socalax]

Agoura-8
SB-9

Guess we will play winner of TO and Np, oak park plays SB in the semi's.

[tomtom]

NP-13 TO- 3

Congratulations to SB on the win. Took a lot of stress off of NP.

[westlakelax17]

NP-13 TO- 3

Congratulations to SB on the win. Took a lot of stress off of NP.


Looks like we will see you under the lights on friday. good luck. :thumbsup:

[LAX_Conejo]

How do the playoffs change??

From SCLACROSSE

Seedings for playoffs: #1---Oak Park: #2---Westlake: #3---Agoura: #4 Newbury Park: #5 Thousand Oaks: #6---Santa Barbara: #7---Calabasas. The higher seeded team is the home team and will wear their light jerseys throughout the playoffs. Round 1 of playoffs, Sunday, May 6. Westlake #2 vs. Calabasas #7 @ 10:00 a.m. Agoura #3 vs. Santa Barbara #6 @ 12:00 noon. Newbury Park #4 vs. Thousand Oaks #5 @ 2:00 p.m. Round 2, Tuesday, May 8. Oak Park #1 vs. winner of Newbury Park vs. Thousand Oaks @ 7:00 p.m. (Winner advances to Championship game on Sunday, May 13 at 12:00 noon) and plays winner of Semi-Finals game held on Friday, May 11 @ 7:00 p.m. SCLA Championship Game, Sunday May 13 at 12:00 noon. All games will be held at Newbury Park High School

[westlakelax17]

How do the playoffs change??

From SCLACROSSE

Seedings for playoffs: #1---Oak Park: #2---Westlake: #3---Agoura: #4 Newbury Park: #5 Thousand Oaks: #6---Santa Barbara: #7---Calabasas. The higher seeded team is the home team and will wear their light jerseys throughout the playoffs. Round 1 of playoffs, Sunday, May 6. Westlake #2 vs. Calabasas #7 @ 10:00 a.m. Agoura #3 vs. Santa Barbara #6 @ 12:00 noon. Newbury Park #4 vs. Thousand Oaks #5 @ 2:00 p.m. Round 2, Tuesday, May 8. Oak Park #1 vs. winner of Newbury Park vs. Thousand Oaks @ 7:00 p.m. (Winner advances to Championship game on Sunday, May 13 at 12:00 noon) and plays winner of Semi-Finals game held on Friday, May 11 @ 7:00 p.m. SCLA Championship Game, Sunday May 13 at 12:00 noon. All games will be held at Newbury Park High School


Oh ok, so i guess we play Santa Barbara then.

[tomtom]

Are you sure? Where was that new schedual taken from, because it almost sounds to me like nobody expected SB or Calabasas to win so they automatically put NP as lowest seeded. The OP coach also told us he was playing SB tuesday, and it was Westlake v. NP friday.

Well either way, Im really hoping we play friday. It'd be a nice way to blow some steam after AP tests all this week. Not to mention, we at least have a chance against westlake....

[SCLAfan]

Oak Park, as #1 seed, plays the lowest seed to advance to the semi's....
That means Oak Park v Santa Barabara Tuesday night

[3rdPersonPlural]

So that means that my beloved Santa Barbara Sand Gnats will be playing friday night when I officiate my first 3 man mechanic!

Too bad, Cali. It was a good run but the Gnats will prevail!!!!! (!) (for emphasis)

[tomtom]

But i thought Oak Park played tuesday...

By the way, I noticed Sb won without a 'Scrama lamma flack jorn dow' being called. I hate to see what they'll do with it....-shudders-

ps- Why are they called the "sand gnats"? Whats their real mascot?

edit: (off topic)3pp- Do you know for sure if woodies are legal or illegal for scla play? I didnt think they were illegal per NFHS rules, but somebody mentioned that there was an SCLA rule prohibiting them. I'm looking for this to be confirmed or denounced, if you could help.

[LAX_Conejo]

LAXPOWER has the Agoura scores backwards

[cali feeder]

So that means that my beloved Santa Barbara Sand Gnats will be playing friday night when I officiate my first 3 man mechanic!

Too bad, Cali. It was a good run but the Gnats will prevail!!!!! (!) (for emphasis)

Way to be enthusiastic :nahya: !

EDIT: Aren't Sand Gnats those tiny little flies that swarm around dried up kelp at the beaches?

[3rdPersonPlural]

Tom, Woodie shafts are legal under NFHS and I can't think if a Federation official who would be able to think of a rule that we enforce that woodies violate. All wood sticks ("Indian sticks") are illegal, though. That may be what your source meant.

Sand Gnats are the coloquial term for those pesky swarming flies that feed off of dead and dying organic matter on beaches. According to LaxPower, the proper team name for the SB squad is 'Dons', but I prefer 'Sand Gnats'.

[SSHSGoalie33]

anyof your teams in the Jamboree on the 19th and 20th down in Sac

[LAX_Conejo]

This is the Cal Club Thread. Technically, the best of the best for Cal Club will be at the State Championships, leaving those less worthy to play elsewhere the 19th & 20th. What is the Sacramento Jamboree? :jawdrop:


:nono:

:roll:

[SSHSGoalie33]

well it is the only thing my team could find since were from Nevada

[westlakelax17]

well it is the only thing my team could find since were from Nevada


Who do you play for and did you play in the OC tournament in April?

[LAX_Conejo]

Oak Park 17 Santa Barbara 11

Bugs 1,000,000

First time I have seen a head of stick break, not even at the shaft

[cali feeder]

My god there were a BILLION bugs out there. Rediculous.

Yeah, our backup goalie's head snapped.

[3rdPersonPlural]

My god there were a BILLION bugs out there. Ridiculous.



Those bugs wouldn't happen to have been Sand Gnats, would they?

[cali feeder]

Those bugs wouldn't happen to have been Sand Gnats, would they?

Seriously though, they could have been. They were really tiny and black, and whenever you stomped, a thousand flew up and swarmed until they settled back down. My bag was covered in them after the game.

[tomtom]

o.o Bugs eh? Strange... Ahh well, looks like there's 2 days until the last semi final game. Gratz on your win OP.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Who's playing on Friday night?

I'm working that game with Newsome and Wilson.

[cali feeder]

Who's playing on Friday night?

I'm working that game with Newsome and Wilson.

Westlake and Newbury Park. With the way NP has been playing, it could be a decent game. Good luck to both teams.

[tomtom]

Wooohhh NP! We found some old booby-traps in a Vietnam war museum the other day, we'll have quite the homefield advantage...

ps, 3pp- Avoid the area just in front of the sub. box at the 50 yd line. Trust me.

[3rdPersonPlural]

Wooohhh NP! We found some old booby-traps in a Vietnam war museum the other day, we'll have quite the homefield advantage...

ps, 3pp- Avoid the area just in front of the sub. box at the 50 yd line. Trust me.

Dude, it's a 3 man mechanic this Friday. That means that Wilson, Newsome, or I will be perpetually PARKED right where your heritage trickery is slated to take place.

Word up. Rework your strategy.....

[tomtom]

Arghhh...-removes various ACME spring load boxing gloves-

See you tomorrow anyways.

[nevadalax]

are any of your teams going to the sacramento jamboree tournament next weekend with 44 team and 1000 lacrosse players we will be there

[LAX_Conejo]

Next week, Oak Park, the winner of tonight's Westlake Village - Newbury Park semifinal game, Woodbridge and West Valley are playing in the California State Club Championships. If Westlake wins tonight, it will mean that the top 4 club teams in California will not be in Sacramento.

Rnk Team PR W-L W L T

1 Oak Park 95.25 1.00 15- 0- 0
2 West Valley 94.55 1.00 12- 0- 0
3 Woodbridge 90.86 0.86 12- 2- 0
4 Westlake 90.11 0.79 11- 3- 0

[tomtom]

Well, since nevada lax needs some good competition we'll make sure they get a top 4 team up there in sacramento...

[cali feeder]

Well, since nevada lax needs some good competition we'll make sure they get a top 4 team up there in sacramento...

Send Palo Alto. They're like #5.

[nevadalax]

well we are playing jv level because it is our first year as a team

[3rdPersonPlural]

Well, since nevada lax needs some good competition we'll make sure they get a top 4 team up there in sacramento...


Y'all almost did it, Tom! I had the best seat in the house (third wheel official without portfolio), and I was delighted by the play of both teams.

9-8 final Westlake goes on to play Oak Park yet again and NP gets to go to Sacramento (?).

Not a bad deal

[LAX_Conejo]

Y'all almost did it, Tom! I had the best seat in the house (third wheel official without portfolio), and I was delighted by the play of both teams.

9-8 final Westlake goes on to play Oak Park yet again
Not a bad deal

How was it so close, NP raised themselves up or Westlake did not have a great day?

[tomtom]

We put in a new offense and for the first half managed to keep their offense in check, but in a nutshell they came back in the second half with a reworked offense, and our players flat out got stupid and started to stop. Overall though, a great game, congratulations westlake and gl in the state tourn.

[cali feeder]

Wait....so if I'm reading this correctly, us and Westlake will go to states no matter who wins SCLA?

[westlakelax17]

Wait....so if I'm reading this correctly, us and Westlake will go to states no matter who wins SCLA?

Yes, now its all about who gets the first or second seed for the state playoffs. Who ever loses gets the second seed.

[westlakelax17]

We put in a new offense and for the first half managed to keep their offense in check, but in a nutshell they came back in the second half with a reworked offense, and our players flat out got stupid and started to stop. Overall though, a great game, congratulations westlake and gl in the state tourn.


Wow, is all i have to say. i am very IMPRESSED by NP's season this year. This last game especially. You guys really stepped it up this year and this game. We were thinking the entire time that we would just walk all over you guys like the other two games, but you gave us our moneys worth. I don't know what was going on with our defense though but that really did hurt us last night. Our coach said he really liked what you guys did on defense. If the league had a most improved award I would give it to you guys. good luck in whatever post season games you play.

[tomtom]

Thanks, though unfortunately, as far as I know, that was the end of our season :/

[LAX_Conejo]

Yes, now its all about who gets the first or second seed for the state playoffs. Who ever loses gets the second seed.

Is it the first and second seed are coming out of SCLA? I heard that Woodbridge gets first because El Toro won last year and West Valley was number 2. Every day a different story. Do we get two because we are hosting?

From SCLA - Goalie Bright for Westlake and DaCar for Oak Park come into the game as the league`s leading goalies. What happened to Miyamoto? Should have read - come into the game as two of the league's leading goalies.

[westlakelax17]

Is it the first and second seed are coming out of SCLA? I heard that Woodbridge gets first because El Toro won last year and West Valley was number 2. Every day a different story. Do we get two because we are hosting?

From SCLA - Goalie Bright for Westlake and DaCar for Oak Park come into the game as the league`s leading goalies. What happened to Miyamoto? Should have read - come into the game as two of the league's leading goalies.


I think it is because they let us bring 2 teams to the state playoffs this year instead of one. We got the 1 and 2 seed because we are the strongest league probably the best records.

[cali feeder]

Laxpower Ratings are going like this: 1. Oak Park; 2. West Valley; 3. Woodbridge; 4. Westlake. Since the top 4 teams are the ones that go (correct me if I'm wrong), then the aforementioned will go to states no matter what, right? Or do they take 2 from SoCal, and two from NorCal?

Someone clarify?

[LAX_Conejo]

Laxpower Ratings are going like this: 1. Oak Park; 2. West Valley; 3. Woodbridge; 4. Westlake. Since the top 4 teams are the ones that go (correct me if I'm wrong), then the aforementioned will go to states no matter what, right? Or do they take 2 from SoCal, and two from NorCal?

Someone clarify?

It is not because the teams are ranked 1-4, last year the 4 teams in the state championships were ranked 1, 2, 7 and 17

[cali feeder]

It is not because the teams are ranked 1-4, last year the 4 teams in the state championships were ranked 1, 2, 7 and 17

You make a good point.

But then what is the basis for selection into the state championships?

[tomtom]

My guess is that its just the top 4 teams, and maybe the selection system has been changed since last year?

EDIT: Nevermind, that couldnt be right because I know had we won friday we would have gone, even though we wouldnt have been ranked top 4.

New theory: The top 3 leagues get 1 team sent, and the top-ranked league gets an additional team. Since the median team power ranking for the leaguers are: SCLA: 85.8, NorCal: 81.78, and Orange: 80.43, SCLA would be chosen as the overall top ranked team. Only problem with this theory would be that you could theoreticall have a stellar team, ranked 90+, in the Pacific league that would be ineligible.

EDIT II: OK, last theory here I promise. They really do go by top 4 rankingwise, and when people said "the winner of the westlake np game will also go on to state playoffs" they were really saying "when westlake wins, they go on to state playoffs". Synical, but possible. Now I'm done thinking for the night, this is above me anyways.

Good luck to whichever SCLA teams are going!

[3rdPersonPlural]

I'm not too sure about relying too heavily on LaxPower for ranking DII teams. The top DII team is ranked among Torrey Pines, Palos Verdes, SRV, MVD, and well above La Costa Canyon. For a number of tangible reasons, Oak Park is likely to be a 5 or more point underdog to these teams. A more accurate Power Rating vis a vis the California teams for the top of DII would be around 92.

Nationally, a 92 power ranking includes DeMatha in MD, Cicero North Syracuse, Northfield Mount Herman, and Trinity Pawling (at 91.8).

Ask Will Clasby if OP would romp all over TP, as a 3+ point higher power rank would indicate.......

[westlakelax17]

The teams that were picked to go to state were picked before the post season.

[LAX_Conejo]

The teams that were picked to go to state were picked before the post season.

Based on what? If Westlake lost to NP, would they still be going? In NP beat Westlake and lost in the finals, would they still be going? Palo Alto and Granite Bay, from the north, would be well above them. Do we get two teams because we are hosting?

[cali feeder]

I guess we'll find out today.

[westlakelax17]

Based on what? If Westlake lost to NP, would they still be going? In NP beat Westlake and lost in the finals, would they still be going? Palo Alto and Granite Bay, from the north, would be well above them. Do we get two teams because we are hosting?


Like who was the top two teams in the league before the post season. and that was us and OP.

[LAX_Conejo]

Thought it would be a little closer. The 2 last goals made by Westlake were against Oak Park's second string and even the second string scored against Westlake's first string. Oak Park 13 - Westlake 5

[westlakelax17]

We played like s**t. Everytime Dacar came up with a save, it was a fast break for them and our coach told us a million times to watch out for the fast break and that killed us. Also, we never really had the ball on offense for long and we didn't really run the plays at all. We died on groundballs and we tried running though 5 people to score, which didn't help at all. We got the second seed for states and play a play-in game at Medea Creek middle school in oak park at 4pm on Wednesday. If we win on Wednesday and beat Woodbridge then we play Oak Park next Sunday again.

[LAX_Conejo]

Answer posted today in the Star


Bright did not have any clears that got near half field.

[westlakelax17]

?? What is the purpose of the play-in game, what is the play-in game?? How are you playing, Oak Park?? What happens to the games that are supposed to be played on Saturday??

Bright did not have any clears that got near half field.


I have no idea what the purpose for the play-in game is or what it is. We would play oak park by beating woodbridge in the semifinals and play OP in the championship. the semifinal games i think are on saturday.

Bright did not need to have clears at half field because that is not how our clears are set up.

[LAX_Conejo]

You had complained about Oak Park's fast breaks, none attempted for you?

Are their more than the 4 teams in the Championships? You guys better play better than you did today. Bright did not have the greatest day. You guys did almost match Oak Park for shots, the saves where not up to normal par. Your coach does not sub out if certain players have a bad day?

[westlakelax17]

You had complained about Oak Park's fast breaks, none attempted for you?

Are their more than the 4 teams in the Championships? You guys better play better than you did today. Bright did not have the greatest day. You guys did almost match Oak Park for shots, the saves where not up to normal par. Your coach does not sub out if certain players have a bad day?


We had a couple of fast breaks, but then they turned into settled situations because some of my team mates weren't thinking straight. I know we will play better because our seniors want a championship really bad now. My coach does sub out players sometimes that way. We subbed out one of our starting Defenders for 5-6 minutes maybe. I think as a whole unit we weren't playing our best so he wouldn't sub in our JV team to play or else we would have gotten mobbed on even more. Here is from a clip from my coach's email::

Varsity Seeding (based upon last years tournament
finish by league with
PCL
playing in as the fifth seed):

1. OC
2 SCLA #1
3. Nor Cal
4. SCLA #2
5. PCL

Fourth and Fifth Seeded teams play a play in game on
either Wednesday,
May
16 or Thursday, May 17th
at a location TBA hosted by the SCLA.



Here is the JV state playoffs too. Westlake made the playoffs because we went undefeated i think:

V Seeding
1. OC #1
2. SCLA
3. OC #2
4. PCL

Game times are as follows:

Saturday, May 19th

10am JV #1 vs. #4
12 noon Varsity #1 vs. #4/5 winner
2pm JV #2 vs. #3
4pm Varsity #2 vs #3

[LAX_Conejo]

Fourth and Fifth Seeded teams play a play in game on
either Wednesday,
May
16 or Thursday, May 17th
at a location TBA hosted by the SCLA.



What league is PCL? Pacific Coast League? - Never mind, who though? The highest ranking team from that league is 76. Even TO beat their best team

Unfair and no offense to Westlake but they should not have #2 playing #3 when it has nothing to do with #2 & #3. #2 & #3 should be the two teams in the finals but a lower ranked team is going to get there. Kind of like the Irvine (OC) tournament.

[tomtom]

Well, congratulations to OP on their win. Btw, did all league get announced today or do they do that next weekend?

[LAX_Conejo]

Well, congratulations to OP on their win. Btw, did all league get announced today or do they do that next weekend?

Who would you pick?

[tomtom]

See my post in the original CA lacrosse thread.

[LAX_Conejo]

My coach does sub out players sometimes that way. We subbed out one of our starting Defenders for 5-6 minutes maybe. I think as a whole unit we weren't playing our best so he wouldn't sub in our JV team to play or else we would have gotten mobbed on even more.

I meant subbing you. Do you consider yourself JV or the second varsity goalie? Bright's last two games against Oak Park was below 50% on saves.

[tomtom]

Well this isnt related to field lax, but califeeder, westlakelax17, and Lax_Conejo could help give me some input on this. Some of our guys have been looking into the possibility of starting a box league in the conejo or nearby. I personally thought that the roller hockey place in TO would be fine for it. Im just asking you guys if there's any interest in it among your teams. If we could even find 70-80 people for a league we could probably go ahead with it, so what kind of enthusiasm could we find from you guys? Obviously starz might detreact from membership, but maybe just a short season in august or something, who knows.

[westlakelax17]

I meant subbing you. Do you consider yourself JV or the second varsity goalie? Bright's last two games against Oak Park was below 50% on saves.


Oh, I consider myself both. I think I could handle playing in games against weaker teams, but i think I probably would have done just as well as Taylor on Sunday. I think I will be ready to have the mental aspect to face good teams like OP and others next year when i will have a little bit more experience.

[LAX_Conejo]

Oh, I consider myself both. I think I could handle playing in games against weaker teams, but i think I probably would have done just as well as Taylor on Sunday. I think I will be ready to have the mental aspect to face good teams like OP and others next year when i will have a little bit more experience.

Confused by past comments......but we won't go there

Going out for Starz this summer? Do you know if Mario is again coaching Conejo in the summer?

[westlakelax17]

Confused by past comments......but we won't go there

Going out for Starz this summer? Do you know if Mario is again coaching Conejo in the summer?


yea i am. are you?? I think Mario is coaching middle school now.

[nevadalax]

so does anybody know how good jesuit (jv), oakridge (jv), and buena vista(jv) teams are we play them in the tourny this weekend in sac

[ShockerAutc]

Same question as Nevadalax, except how good are Orangevale and Stockton?

[LAX_Conejo]

Some of the team are not even organized enough to have real teams yet. Check the Calif High School Lacrosse list and you will not see all the teams in there. Some are 8th grade leagues coming up to play JV.

[westlakelax17]

Westlake beat St. Gabriel 17 to 2

[LAX_Conejo]

Not fair, I have not seen a goalie that bad since the pup 'b' team (3-4 grade) lost 20-0. When was the last time you saw a high school goalie wearing hockey shin-guards?? That team beat Saugus by one (3-2) and Calabasas beat Saugus 15-3. Calabasas is one of the two bottom teams in our league.

Also not fair that you get the easy flight. Woodbridge should not be ranked #1, we already both beat Woodbridge.

[westsidelax22]

nevada lax what team are you on? im on oak ridge varsity.. our JV team this year lost in round 2 of the playoffs and took 4th in their league i believe. buena vista is actually bella vista a CIF team that slides into the tourny under a fake name..

[cali feeder]

Apparently El Toro, last year's winner, decides the seeding for this year's tourney.

[corylax9]

im on southbay starz guys from LA and Manhattan Beach really good for a CA team

[tomtom]

Apparently El Toro, last year's winner, decides the seeding for this year's tourney.

What do you mean by that? As in, their coaches get to pick who's seeded where?

[LAX_Conejo]

What do you mean by that? As in, their coaches get to pick who's seeded where?

No, as in the team representing OCLA gets the automatic first seed, regardless of head to head or record

[westlakelax17]

In the California Club State Playoffs varsity scores::

Westlake-3
Woodbridge-1


For JV state playoff scores::

Westlake-3
Pataluma-8

Newbury Park-6
Edison-5


I didn't stay around for the Oak Park vs. West Valley game.

[cali feeder]

Oak Park - 8, West Valley - 5.

I'll admit though, they put up a good fight.

[LAX_Conejo]

In the California Club State Playoffs varsity scores::

Westlake-3
Woodbridge-1


For JV state playoff scores::

Westlake-3
Pataluma-8

Newbury Park-6
Edison-5


I didn't stay around for the Oak Park vs. West Valley game.

You're repeating yourself.

Oak Park can honestly say that they played their worst game of the season. West Valley's first goalie came out of the box a lot to hit players so we did not shoot from close all first half.

[3rdPersonPlural]

West Valley's first goalie came out of the box a lot......

You mean the crease, don't you? 'The box' in playing field terms means the attack box. I can't imagine a keeper playing above the restraining line and in the alleys.....

.....to hit players.......

Sheesh! Even I can get a shot past a goalie who's out of the crease, and I am naught but a d-pole. A 47 year old d-pole with diminished skills, I might add.



so we did not shoot from close all first half.

OK. but you still won the game, right?

[ShockerAutc]

Northern Nevada teams represented themselves well this weekend at the Sacramento Jamboree. 4 teams came, 3 were in the semi-finals. 1 team in the finals. Not sure of the score yet. Galena lost in the semi-finals to Buena Vista 6-3 after losing to them 3-1 the day before. But the question is, is there a Buena Vista HS at all, or is really just a CIF team entering a tournament with club teams and pretending to be club also? Either way, we enjoy playing against them, always a lower scoring game. They eliminated us last year from the tournament 4-2. But next yr, I think we'll be able to take them.

[cali feeder]

Oak Park Eagles are the California State Club champions. Oh yeah.

[tomtom]

Nice man. And while it doesnt draw as much importance as varsity, Im sporting my own blingy medal for JV. Btw, were you there today Darling? I didnt see you on the field or sidelines, but I may have just missed seeing you.

[SSHSGoalie33]

yeah us Spanish Springs lost to Beuno Vista 6-3 In CHampionship game, we out shot them by like 10 to 15 shots but couldtn get it on net

Game 1: Spanish Springs Vs. Oakridge: 7-4 Win
Game 2: Spanish Springs Vs. Jesuit: 10-2 Win
Game 3: Spanish Springs Vs. Damonte Ranch: 11-5 Win
Game 4: Spanish Springs Vs. OrangeVale: 9-3 Win
Game 5: Spanish Springs Vs. Reno: 5-2 Win
Game 6: Spanish Springs Vs. Buena Vista: 3-6 Loss (Championship Game)

[cali feeder]

Nice man. And while it doesnt draw as much importance as varsity, Im sporting my own blingy medal for JV. Btw, were you there today Darling? I didnt see you on the field or sidelines, but I may have just missed seeing you.

Yeah, I was there. Second line midfield.

[tomtom]

Ahh, I guess my eyes let me down.

And as a side note, had to share this about an amazing save by moto:

He makes a save, we all break out for a clear, he had nobody to pass to for a moment, steps out of the crease and an attackman comes behind and jumps him, taking the ball and knocking him down, outside the crease. So we have an attackman scooping a ground ball, a goalie on the ground outside the crease, and 18 other players expecting a goal. Nope, as this guy goes for a shot, moto puts up his head, still on the ground, and stuffs the shot solidly, sending it up over the goal. Most amazing save Ive ever seen.

[SSHSGoalie33]

sweet sweet

[LAX_Conejo]

Btw, were you there today Darling? I didnt see you on the field or sidelines, but I may have just missed seeing you.

Ryan has the wrong last name, kind of make is look like you two are more than 'friends'

[tomtom]

Who says we arent? You get to know a guy quite a bit lockerboxing in 3pps basement for all eternity....

ps- anybody got all league listings?

[westcoastlaxr4]

From the WV Redhawks point-of-view, we came into the game on saturday looking at it as a rematch of last year's state semifinal game (where we got slaughtered 14-5). We hoped we could give oak park a better showing, and better represent NorCal, this time. At the beginning of the game, we came out firing, posting a 2-0 lead, but had that trimmed to 3-2 by halftime as our offense slowed down some. In the third quarter, Oak Park gained momentum and the lead, but we came back to bring it to within 6-5 as the game neared its end. However, Oak Park managed to put away some goals at the end of the game as we pressed for the ball, and the final score of the game was 8-5, which I do not think conveys how close of a game this was, and how hard of a battle it was for both us and OP.
I think that in a rematch, we would have a strong chance to take the eagles, and we will certainly try to do so next year in states. Some strong factors in the game were the proximity to OP's home and the referees, who seemed to call even more penalties than those up in NorCal, which I thought was almost impossible.
Most of Oak Park's players were very nice, classy, hard-working opponents, who I both respected and with whom I felt proud to be on the same field. However, some of their players, namely Bennet, attackman #22, were both mouthy and disrespectful to the game in their victory, and I felt that their actions marred the game and the state playoff experience.
The actions of these OP players, though, paled in comparison of those of our next opponent, Woodbridge. Half of the Woodbridge team seemed to consist of thugs, especially their starting goalie, #2, who got himself thrown out of the game and pretty much doomed his already-losing team to a blowout when he attempted to throttle one of our attackmen during a dead-ball situation. However, his crazy decision was only the worst incident in a game where Woodbridge repeatedly checked and hit after the whistle, off-ball, and illegally. Admittedly, the officiating was once again inconsistent and flawed, but it was Woodbridge's goon-like behavior that did them in. The final score: WV 14, WB 4.
In conclusion, this was not a very good showing of either sportsmanlike play or effective officiating for SoCal, from the eyes of a NorCal player. I am not saying that I am judging all of SoCal lax from weekend, but if I was, the resulting view would be dismal indeed.

[LAX_Conejo]

I was there but I did not think that Blair's razzing was much more than razzing. Arguably, our game against you was the worst we played all season. We could not get anything going in the first half. Your first two goals were not typical from our goalie. The first, he lost the pop-up in the crowd (honestly, the coach's son (Cole) could have thrown the ball faster), our goalie just lost sight of where the ball was. Second goal, even commented on by Bubba to our goalie, was misjudged and our goalie did not even make a play, not sure how, but he thought it would miss high. Would a rematch be different? Yes, but I know we would have played better. We will see about next year, depends on if we get to go CIF or not.

About the refereering, a call here, a missed call there, this was a lot better than we have seen in the past. Both sides got their share of calls and breaks. If you want to complain about ref's, just look to the De La Salle and Monte Vista game.

Our game against you is what we considered the true State Championship game. Maybe a word or two got out a little heated but it was more relief than spite, that we won dispite our play. Nothing meant directly to your team. They say that our goalie used to be coached by one of your coaches. I am sure he (our goalie) did not want us to diss West Valley and his ex-trainer.

We heard about your run in with Woodbridge. I apologize for their behavior but you have to realize, they are not typical of how teams are from So Cal or SCLA. At least the ref's threw the bum out. After that, the score turned in your favor. I heard Woodbridge ended up with 22 fouls.

Where did you guys end up staying while you were down here? The 4:00 game time sucked, killed the remainder of the day.

[SCLAfan]

Congrats to Oak Park and Newbury Park on their State Club Varsity and JV Championships. Way to represent SCLA!
In response to westcoastlaxr4, I was @ the OP-WV game. Your comments about a particular player are curious to say the least. I witnessed him congratulate Bubba at the end of the game, even before celebrating with his team. And, for the record, he wasn't called for a single penalty, yet I believe there was at least 1 unsportsmanlike call against WV. Listen, we all can understand it's a humbling experience to be worked over by the smallest guy on the field. But, one of the most important lessons to be learned through sports is to have dignity in defeat. Gentlemen, this forum should be used to promote and discuss California lacrosse, not to make personal attacks. Enough said.
I can't address West Valley's improvement from last year, since Saturday was the first time I've seen them play. But, it appears doubtful that there will be a another rematch between West Valley and Oak Park. Oak Park is making noise that they may be going CIF next year. If that doesn't happen, look for the powers-that-be from SCLA and OCLA to insist that NorCal adhere to the same team structuring rules they use. West Valley is a "club" team drawing top players from many different high schools. In essence, they are an all-star, or elite team, such as Starz. In contrast, all of the SCLA and OCLA teams who participated in the State Championships are true high school teams, consisting of only players from that school. They are only designated as "club" because their schools have not given them CIF status. A high school all-star club team is very different from a high school club team. If the State Club Championships are to be legitimate, all teams must adhere to the same rules.

[tomtom]

I think part of the problem of "all-star" teams is that the level of intensity from area to area varies quite a bit. For example, the West Valley may draw players from throughout an area roughly the size of the conejo valley. But as we can see, in the SCLA there are 3 full teams in the conejo valley. If west valley's region, however, doesnt have as many players per population it becomes difficult to make a team with players from just one school. Even Newbury Park takes players from camarillo or oxnard that have no teams of their own. The majority of us are from NP, but there are still a few who come from cities without enough players for their own teams.

Eventually, my guess is, lax will spread to Camarillo as well. The last 2 teams in ventura county have been spreading westward, and the grade is the next barrier to cross.

But back to the point at hand: Trying to compare Starz to West Valley is like comparing Los Angeles to New york- theyre both similar on the bottom line, but theyre still worlds apart.

And as far as the conduct of teams from norcal vs. socal, I was not entirely impressed with the way the Petaluma JV team played on the whole. While some of the players conducted themselves with class and sportsmanship, there were many who did not do so. I would not judge the whole of NorCal based on this one incident, however it just goes to show- in both reigions there are teams that will play with class and maturity, and there are going to be some thugs. I hope that our SCLA teams came off in a positive manner during this championship.

[ShockerAutc]

What would the interest be for California Club teams to come to reno to play northern nevada teams next season?

[LAX_Conejo]

Reno no but Vegas......

If we go, is your team entered as JV? Why aren't your teams on LAXPOWER?

[ShockerAutc]

I'm not sure what us N.N. teams will be next year. Obviously most of us want to enter tournaments as a varsity team now, but it will come down to what is best from the program in the long run. Ideally coaches in the area want to field varsity teams when they have enough to have a jv team also. But, in Galena's case, if we work hard enough in the off season and our coaches believe that 5 of us will be able to carry the team in a varsity tournament, we will do it. But, we have no poles coming back, I'm the only starting attackman coming back, and I played 6/15 games b/c of injuries this season. So, to answer your first question, I wont be able to tell you till next season. For the second question, I'm not sure why we are not listed, probably because we have entered competitions as a JV team. Do our coaches need to contact the admin. of the site to listed?

[takeawaycheck]

You're both misinformed.

The WV Redhawks are not a Starz or elite team at all. 11 players of the 23 man varsity roster that played OP on Saturday were founding fathers of our club. That is, 4 years ago they picked up the sticks for the very first time as 8th graders. These 11 (plus another 8 on our JV) are divided between a joint union school district.

We had 4 other members of the WV Redhawks varsity squad that played OP on Saturday in our pups system at the time the club started. That's 15 out of the 23.

There were five members of the WV Redhawks varisty squad that played OP on Saturday that picked up the sticks for the very first time last season. 2 years experience. That's 19 out of the 23.

Four members of the WV Redhawks varsity squad that played OP on Saturday have more than 4 years experience. That's the lot.

50% of our kids come from a joint union school district that will not allow one high school team to go CIF. Another 48% are from neighboring high schools that do not have programs. We have two kids on our team that come from schools that are CIF -one is a sophmore who is on our 4th mid line and another is the assistant coaches son.

Everyone of the coaches on our staff - varsity and jv - played our youth, high school and college ball on the east coast. Three fourths still play at a level unknown to most. These kids competed at the level they did on Saturday vs OP because they are hooked on the game,they devote themselves to it year round, and work hard. And they have coaches that know how the game should be played.

These statistics are real. I know because I coach the team and co-founded the club.

To see quoted "West Valley is a "club" team drawing top players from many different high schools. In essence, they are an all-star, or elite team, such as Starz." is insulting.

Also, #22 didn't work over anyone on Saturday. The top two scorers for OP were held to 3 points. #22 did score two very big and timely goals which is a testament to his character, skill and ability to step up in a big game. But what you see at the end of the game between two players doesn't always tell the whole story...like his insessant yapping all game....another testament to his character and ability to gain a mental edge. Good luck to him next year at Chapman.

#26 and #11 were the difference in that game in my opinion. That and the lack of solid competition up North for our kids, to understand what a game like Saturday's feels like. Costello is legit, good luck at Yale, and #11 is as good a lacrosse player as I've seen anywhere. Hopefully OP will stick around for one more year.

Enough on that response....two other issues should be addressed.

The refereeing in this state is just plain bad. Be it north or south. Bad. The whole deal with woodbridge could have and should have been avoided. I approached the refs mid way through the first quarter and asked them to address BOTH benches, but at least address the issue of high hits. Warn the coaches. Nothing ever happened and the game got out of hand.

There is no knowledge of flow. There is never an attempt to inform a player what he did wrong. I'm baffled by the calls that are made and missed. Something needs to be done.

Lastly, the seeding process is rediculous. How can you play a whole season and it not have any bearing on the playoffs?

[LAX_Conejo]

I'm not sure what us N.N. teams will be next year. Obviously most of us want to enter tournaments as a varsity team now, but it will come down to what is best from the program in the long run. Ideally coaches in the area want to field varsity teams when they have enough to have a jv team also. But, in Galena's case, if we work hard enough in the off season and our coaches believe that 5 of us will be able to carry the team in a varsity tournament, we will do it. But, we have no poles coming back, I'm the only starting attackman coming back, and I played 6/15 games b/c of injuries this season. So, to answer your first question, I wont be able to tell you till next season. For the second question, I'm not sure why we are not listed, probably because we have entered competitions as a JV team. Do our coaches need to contact the admin. of the site to listed?

What happened to your poles? I thought you had no seniors. Did you play as JV with seniors on your team?

[N8dawg19]

haha almost none of ur schools r on lax power
our JV team could probably beat some of u guys

[ShockerAutc]

We had some seniors. We had exactly three poles, one started at the start of the season, one came halfway through, one played his jr. yr too.

[LAX_Conejo]

haha almost none of ur schools r on lax power
our JV team could probably beat some of u guys

Which guys? We are #14 in the west.

[westlakelax17]

I have to say that yesterdays officiating by Wilson was TERRIBLE. I think he is biased against westlake, because he always gives use bad calls. He never reffs any of our other games until the state playoffs. The same thing happened last year in the semi-finals of the league playoffs when we played OP. He just keeps on flagging us on every little thing but let blair get away with his little wrist checks when we clear the ball at mid field. OP had were slashing some what and none of that was called. Then He gave travis a couple of penalties when he didn't do anything. The talking back to the ref by my players may have been out of line, but there were a lot of calls that he never called on OP. We only had 2 man-up situations the ENTIRE GAME! The sad part about it is that after the game, he ran to his car and didn't congratulate anyone at all or talk to anyone. I think that he knew he made some lousy calls and I think he knew he didn't play fair. I am not saying the reason that we lost was because of the officiating. I am saying that the game should not revolve around the referee and he/she should not be a factor at all and the referee should be unnoticeable.

[3rdPersonPlural]

These kids competed at the level they did on Saturday vs OP because they are hooked on the game,they devote themselves to it year round, and work hard. And they have coaches that know how the game should be played.

These statistics are real. I know because I coach the team and co-founded the club.

To see quoted "West Valley is a "club" team drawing top players from many different high schools. In essence, they are an all-star, or elite team, such as Starz." is insulting.

Good point. Kids want to play lacrosse and play with the other Kids who labored through the learning process with them. Here in Santa Barbara, this Conejo Valley league team draws kids from a half dozen high schools. The Colorado state champs (FoCo) is a team composed of kids from several schools. The best middle school team in Conejo Valley is matriculating kids to 6 schools. I'm looking at forming a U13 summer tournament team, and I'll need to draw from all 7 CVLL teams just to ensure a >10 man squad at any given time.

West Valley is just that: a team comprised of kids from the western part of some valley. That SCLA teams are becoming school-specific reflects only on the maturity of the organization, not on the composition of the team.



Also, #22..... Good luck to him next year at Chapman.

He's a lot less prickly than he was in years past. I find him obstreperous in a youthful sort of way, but he'll mature quickly at Chapman or become marginalized. I'd love to see him succeed, as he has gotten SO much better every year that he is apparently a workaholic.

#26 and #11 were the difference in that game in my opinion. That and the lack of solid competition up North for our kids, to understand what a game like Saturday's feels like. Costello is legit, good luck at Yale, and #11 is as good a lacrosse player as I've seen anywhere. Hopefully OP will stick around for one more year.

As a chap who's officiated several OP games this year and several last year, I couldn't agree more. Costello has more fun on the field than he has a right to, and when #11 asserts himself in the OP offense, they start to look like a real team. I saw your post as chatter until you made this observation, TAC, but with this you secured legitimacy with me (at least).

The refereeing in this state is just plain bad. Be it north or south. Bad. The whole deal with woodbridge could have and should have been avoided.

I object! The crews that officiated the playoff club games were the same crews that officiate college games, and have been trained and tested in significant games nationwide.

What you got was refs who are as close to 'standardized' to nationwide practice as you can get. If you find them 'just plain bad' you will have a hard time finding a crew that meets with your approval.

(insert pitch for new refs here)

There is no knowledge of flow. There is never an attempt to inform a player what he did wrong.

College refs expect players to grasp what the call was and why. When I do U13 games, I'll turn the the violator and ask if he knows what he did wrong, but in HS varsity (and particularly championship) games we operate under the assumption that kids who are hacking at an attacker's back at the moment that 'flag down!' is called can figure out that maybe that check to the kidneys was what aggravated the ref.

I'm baffled by the calls that are made and missed. Something needs to be done.



Please don't take this as condescending, because I sincerely don't mean it as such, but until you've officiated a year or so, you cannot comment on the calls of officials. It's easy to pick out fouls when standing on the midfield line, or on the bench, or even in the stands, and you have a favored team. It's even easy when you don't give a hoot who wins but don't have a flag and whistle. However, wander out onto the field with flag and whistle, and consider that every call you make sets a standard that you have to adhere to at both ends and every standard you set has the potential to decide a game as your partner(s) will adopt your standard and call concurrent to your baseline, and all of a sudden you have several 'mission critical' (to use a B-School term) decisions that needs to be made in seconds every minute.

It's harder than it looks.

The problem is that there are lots of first year refs nationwide, and few 'experienced but newish' refs like myself, and refs who have considerable experience at all levels can be counted on one's digits in most states. Hotbeds included.

[SCLAfan]

Glad I finally got a useful discussion started.

First off, I want to thank the officials for the State Tournament. If some say you called wrong, and some say you called it right, then I think the ref's did a damn fine job!

Now, can everyone just cool their jets?!

Just trying to have a discussion on how to make this California Club league fair to all.

We all want this our sport to thrive.

That should be our goal.

But we must understand that a team comprised of players from various schools is not the same as one from a specific school.....
No disrespect, just fact.

And, may I state again, this is not a place to maligne players.....
I would hope we are all here to advance the sport.

[3rdPersonPlural]

We all want this our sport to thrive.

That should be our goal.

In this we are in violent agreement.

But we must understand that a team comprised of players from various schools is not the same as one from a specific school.....
No disrespect, just fact.


Certainly not the same, but not necessarily unfair. The Santa Barbara club draws kids from Carpenteria on up to the Santa Ynez Valley. That's over a half dozen high schools - yet nobody has proposed that they are unfairly resourced.

Until a school has 20 or more competent Lax players, there really is no other way to form a team to play lacrosse at an enjoyable level. As TAC pointed out, there are no more than a handful of lacrosse players at each school that the West Valley club serves.

That these players formed a regional club that is dedicated enough to be able to compete with a school team on the cusp of a successful CIF career like Oak Park should be celebrated, not maligned.

The Colorado state champion team represents the CITY of Fort Collins. Fort Collins Unified. This year, for the first time, this mutt team beat two perrenial lax powers - Cherry Creek and Kent Denver - to win out. Creek and Kent each have 500-ish student bodies, but FoCo was the decided underdog in each game and until FoCo has too many kids to get time on one team, and the city recognizes the need to fund several school teams, they will be forced to continue as is.

[LAX_Conejo]

Until a school has 20 or more competent Lax players, there really is no other way to form a team to play lacrosse at an enjoyable level. As TAC pointed out, there are no more than a handful of lacrosse players at each school that the West Valley club serves.



But, West Valley has players that played for other club teams too. Once you join a club, you should not be allowed to switch unless you move to that area.

[3rdPersonPlural]

But, West Valley has players that played for other club teams too. Once you join a club, you should not be allowed to switch unless you move to that area.

Well, you should finish the season with the roster you started with. Exception being adding a new player otherwise unaffiliated with another team, or affiliated with a team that folded.

This is club ball we're talking about, here. Club is the descendant of beer league, not Varsity. Its developmental nature is reflected in its flexibility. SCLA is a VERY mature club league, and is run like a CIF program in all but name.

Not all other programs are that meticulously managed, nor should they be expected to be.

[laxfan4life]

(I like to start on a positive note)

The weather was Awesome last weekend!!!

I personally left that game disgusted. At what point should a coach pull his team from the field and walk away. The result would have been the same they get to be bashed in these forums, have their number posted, be called GOONS, they didn’t get there plaque for the playoffs. Someone in the event staff, who won’t be named grabbed the plaque, and the gave the “your dead”/ “cut throat“ gesture to our team and parents. These players came with the same amount of heart and sportsmanship that every other team came there with. They rightfully earned the opportunity to compete at this level. I have to say that the players at Woodbridge are not proud of the way game ended, and congratulated the West Valley team after the game, there are no hard feelings at all. They felt their opponents that weekend were the officials.

Referees: The Referees were extremely consistent.........in their inconsistency, Saturday the biases toward the home teams was laughable. It resounded from many of the visiting fans and coaches, and according to this forum even the Westlake fans felt the same way. I read in the forum that the referees are college officials but there mechanics don’t seem to show it. I think they need to set their ego’s aside. It is a lacrosse game not a display of your refereeing greatness. Nobody becomes a referee to be respected. Does this mean they do not deserve respect. No, it means that they need to put their egos aside and remember that they are their for the game not their own gratification. Sunday’s WB/WV game, came down to the egos of the referees, calling the game extremely loose and inconsistent, calling an illegal stick against West Valley, and then reversing it after someone else checked it. In the first three quarters the cheap shots from both teams were missed or not called, and became increasingly more flagrant as the game progressed, and then trying to rope it in during the fourth quarter. Because the first part of the game was so inconsistent both coaches, the players, and the fans, seemed to turn on the referees, and their way of saving face, I guess was to forget about Lacrosse, and show everyone how much power they could wield. The Ref/power ego was most personified by the referee who was added in the fourth quarter. Who entered the game with hand on flag and gave it more airtime than belt loop time.

Frustration: At some point the frustration of these young men becomes more than they can handle, the coaches used all of their second half timeouts to rope their players in. If you have ever read Stripes, (U.S. Lacrosse) the overwhelming advise given to referees in a game that is getting out of control is to call there own time out, talk to the coaches and let them settle their teams, that was not the case Saturday, The referees just kept the game going and decided the best way to handle the game was to flag any contact. These actions do not save the game, but only add to the frustration level. I would also like to inform you that prior to this game WB had a season with few penalties and never in the double digits.

All Star teams:
I think that whoever is throwing out the accusations about West Valley being an all star team had better ask Oak Park to disclose how many different schools their team comes from. But lets face it that was the least of the problems of the weekend. Offering full disclosure there are four players on the WB team who do not go to WBHS. Four players does not make an all star team. Regardless All Star teams was the least of the atrocities.

For the Red Hawk Fan who likes to throw out personal attacks here are some Red Hawk player for you, but I won’t publicly call them out, as you seem to do. One of your players, I have a great video of him walking down the field cross checking Woodbridge’s defender in the back, multiple times, oh by the way, the ball was at the other end of the field, (WHO’S THE GOON?) and of him shoving a Woodbridge defender in the back off ball after a legal poke. (Who is the GOON?) (this happened 10 feet from the referees face and no flag was thrown, these are young men, if the referee doesn’t call such blatant fouls when he is looking directly at it you can guarantee the next poke will have a little something extra on it.) The common theme of this player the entire game was to lay a cross check to the back on very ground ball. (Who is the GOON?) Which prompted the WB goalie to leave the crease and grab the offending player he had been telling the ref all game that this kid was cross checking and the ref did nothing. (WHO IS THE GOON?) I have the entire game on video it is almost comedic. How about your smaller player who seemed to think he was the an enforcer, running into the dead ball situations and getting a shove in on one of the other teams players, or when he set a pick in front of the ref and then when the pick didn’t work he stuck his leg out and tripped the Woodbridge player, have that video also, (IS HE A GOON?) at least your coach had the common sense to pull him from the game. Better yet, let’s talk about the goal that was scored while one of your players is in the crease laying on the Woodbridge goalies arm and stick. The ref’s gave you that goal. But the best of all was when the altercation broke out between the goalie and West Valley’s player, there were three players from West Valley who come onto the field. An official walked up to them and told them to get back, I am not sure what the rules are in Conejo Valley or Northern Cal, but everywhere else in the country that is an automatic ejection from the game (they were not ejected). Your “blowout came from the referees” How could you not run up the score when you are up 3 players. Every contact became a personal foul, by the referees failed attempt to control the game, and flex their muscles, WB defense would have had to sit down on the field in order to not get a flag.

I watched the Oak park West Valley game, there seemed to be some biases when it came to calling Oak parks Attack for slashes to your defenders back on transition, I will certainly give you that but hey that kid has connections (joking). You were also a victim of the ref’s ego, this has been a common theme in the area. “In Conejo Valley no team is going to go up there and question these college referees, how dare you!! (I wish you could read the sarcasm that I would say this with). But, I just don’t understand how you can scream biases in the first game and a great game in the second. Pick a party line and stick with it.

Wanting to end on a positive note.

The facilities at Newbury Park are superb, the field, the stands, even the announcer were top notch. It truly makes the championship weekend feel like a great event, A turf field is something that every club team wishes they could play all of their games on. Logistically the event seemed to go with out a hitch, from a visiting teams point of view, and that means it was a success, people were well fed, the BBQ was restaurant quality. Kudos to Leon Bennett and everyone who hosted us, I applaud all of your efforts.

[Doritos]

we made finals but could not attend =( we dint have a bus and could not carpool so it really sucked for all of us we really worked so hard so we dint play Saturday or Sunday X.X I play for Huntington park by the way also i heard wood bridge got into a fight in the finals with oak park and we played wood bridge before and they where good players but i heard they started the fight.

[laxfan4life]

Good Question Since it is supposed to be the #1 teams from each Conejo, Northern Ca, Pacific, and Orange, Who decided that there should be a run off game before the Championship game, that eliminated The pacific coast Team.

[tomtom]

In response to some things that have been mentioned:

laxfan-

1. As far as I know, all or the majority of Oak Park players go to OPHS, though I could be wrong. I believe the most diverse team, in terms of schools, in the SCLA would be Newbury, I believe we have players from 3 or 4 schools. However, these players only amount to about 5 people, and they live in areas with no teams, club or otherwise, available.

2. Thanks for the compliment regarding facilities, we're glad to be able to make them available for this tournament. And Ill make sure I pass on the compliment to the announcer.

[cali feeder]

...about West Valley being an all star team had better ask Oak Park to disclose how many different schools their team comes from. 2 of their players are homeschooled, the rest ALL go to Oak Park High.

[LAX_Conejo]

[QUOTE=tomtom]In response to some things that have been mentioned:

laxfan-

1. As far as I know, all or the majority of Oak Park players go to OPHS, though I could be wrong. I believe the most diverse team, in terms of schools, in the SCLA would be Newbury, I believe we have players from 3 or 4 schools. However, these players only amount to about 5 people, and they live in areas with no teams, club or otherwise, available.

QUOTE]
This issue was not SCLA teams, was for the teams up north. They are allowed to switch teams and have done without changing school or addresses?????

[3rdPersonPlural]

They (NorCal club teams) are allowed to switch teams and have done without changing school or addresses?????

Club. Noun. A group of people who organize themselves to enable doing something that they enjoy.

A club with all but 4 kids from one school (and is not sponsored by that school) is unsportsmanlike.....how?

Are you claiming that they reinforced their roster with kids from other clubs once they won regionals?

[LAX_Conejo]

Club. Noun. A group of people who organize themselves to enable doing something that they enjoy.

A club with all but 4 kids from one school (and is not sponsored by that school) is unsportsmanlike.....how?

Are you claiming that they reinforced their roster with kids from other clubs once they won regionals?

No, did not say that. Said some players on this year's team were on other teams last year. The team they were on, still exists. Club in the true sense of the league: not CIF. The past winners of the club cup, except for maybe THLC were pretty much from the high school sharing their name. El Toro, Foothill Santa Ana, SI and now Oak Park

[OPlax31]

[QUOTE=laxfan4life I think that whoever is throwing out the accusations about West Valley being an all star team had better ask Oak Park to disclose how many different schools their team comes from. But lets face it that was the least of the problems of the weekend. Offering full disclosure there are four players on the WB team who do not go to WBHS. Four players does not make an all star team. Regardless All Star teams was the least of the atrocities.

.[/QUOTE]

I am never on this thread, nor do i intend on posting on it, but please be careful about what you say on here because it is visible to the public.

Also, this should be a California Club Lacrosse thread, not a California Clubl Lacrosse excuse thread (because it will just make matters worse), you don't see east coast teams doing this so why start it out here

[OPlax31]

O ya all of oak parks members either go to oak park or the coninuation school down the road and that is just 2 people and they plan on returning to oak park

[Hyperslug]

WValley was out of control in my opinion.

[Hyperslug]

i completely agree with laxfan4life.

The game i watched with Woodbridge vs. West Valley was a complete joke. I feel so bad both teams...but especially Woodbridge. If anybody would have noticed, before it all got out of hand Woodbridge was up about 2 goals i believe at half time. The West Valley players acted completely "GOON LIKE" as the people in this forum have addressed, and The players for Woodbridge i feel retaliated after enough is enough. There were countless instances were West Valley players acted out of control and violently ..both when the ball was in play and out of play. This put aside, the referees were out of control and did not act in accordance to the current situation. They decided to call ridiculous penalties....completely biast towards woodbridge...and would not eject any WValley players who stepped on the field in hopes to fight. However, they easily ejected the Woodbridge's star goalie without any hesistance. and please everyone that decided to come here and criticize woodbridge as a bunch of punks please get your facts straight.

Enough said - There needs to be alot of changes...and hopefully CIF can make it fair for these boys.

[Justbecause]

So, all league came out for SCLA. How did Bright get first team goalie? Statistically, he was 3rd in save percentage, and regarding total saves, he was ahead of only one other in the league. How did Miyamoto not make the top 3? Miyamoto has a championship under his belt as well as Dacar with two. In the two league games against Oak Park, Bright saved less than 50%. Hackman and Miyamoto has better days against Oak Park than Bright. Is it a senior thing? Or pressure from the top. Oak Park played Bonanza twice, with a total of 11 goals against for the two games (80% saves). Bright let in 13 in one game against Bonanza.

http://www.sclacrosse.org/toptenstats.asp

[cali feeder]

Congrats to everyone who made the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams. Anyone know who was named All-American?

I am never on this thread, nor do i intend on posting on it, but please be careful about what you say on here because it is visible to the public.

Also, this should be a California Club Lacrosse thread, not a California Clubl Lacrosse excuse thread (because it will just make matters worse), you don't see east coast teams doing this so why start it out here

And he makes a great point. Lets just discuss lacrosse, predictions, etc.

[westlakelax17]

So, all league came out for SCLA. How did Bright get first team goalie? Statistically, he was 3rd in save percentage, and regarding total saves, he was ahead of only one other in the league. How did Miyamoto not make the top 3? Miyamoto has a championship under his belt as well as Dacar with two. In the two league games against Oak Park, Bright saved less than 50%. Hackman and Miyamoto has better days against Oak Park than Bright. Is it a senior thing? Or pressure from the top. Oak Park played Bonanza twice, with a total of 11 goals against for the two games (80% saves). Bright let in 13 in one game against Bonanza.

http://www.sclacrosse.org/toptenstats.asp


The reason was because he was a senior and he deserves it. He may not have had the numbers as Decar did, but he did earn it. You have the top two goalies in the league that both deserve 1st team, but one is a junior and one is a senior, the junior still has another year to win it. That is how it was last year with bright and darrow. My coach told me that hackman had a chance to win it, but his coach wasn't there to represent him. Also, because he has had the most shots on him. i guess his defense is still really young and will mature in time. Miyamoto also has a JV championship under him, not a varsity. I wouldn't fault bright on the Bonanza game because they are a good team and it was a team loss.

[LAX_Conejo]

Darrow was the best goalie regardless of age or grade. Is that the only reason? Just because he's a senior, what lame reason is that? Which goalie won league and which one won state?

Bonanza? Won't go there.

So, just because you are an underclassman, it was ok to ride the bench? Are you going to let Mario make his decissions based on that this summer?

[westlakelax17]

Darrow was the best goalie regardless of age or grade. Is that the only reason? Just because he's a senior, what lame reason is that? Which goalie won league and which one won state?

Bonanza? Won't go there.

So, just because you are an underclassman, it was ok to ride the bench? Are you going to let Mario make his decissions based on that this summer?


No, i meant that they basically had the same or close enough resume, that that was the deciding factor.

I don't know where you are coming from with the riding the bench part.

[LAX_Conejo]

No, i meant that they basically had the same or close enough resume, that that was the deciding factor.



Deciding factor? Helps to have a relative in high places. What criteria did they use to show they were equal? Head to head, common games, goals against, quantity of saves, allowing the other team's backups to score, championships? Head to head 75% saves to 48% - 17 goals to 47 goals allowed, no losses to 5 losses, excluding Bonanza or 1 loss to 6 losses, etc...

Close enough? There was another goalie with better stats than Bright and 5 goalies with more saves. 5 Seniors on Oak Park vs 12-13 for Westlake. Oak Park's defense were all starting for the first time. One of Oak Park's best players last year did not return. The biggest factor should have been that Westlake was favored to win league this year with Oak Park as second. That did not happen.

[tHeReS nO sHot]

have the all been announced?

[tHeReS nO sHot]

The reason was because he was a senior and he deserves it. He may not have had the numbers as Decar did, but he did earn it. You have the top two goalies in the league that both deserve 1st team, but one is a junior and one is a senior, the junior still has another year to win it. That is how it was last year with bright and darrow. My coach told me that hackman had a chance to win it, but his coach wasn't there to represent him. Also, because he has had the most shots on him. i guess his defense is still really young and will mature in time. Miyamoto also has a JV championship under him, not a varsity. I wouldn't fault bright on the Bonanza game because they are a good team and it was a team loss.
It might be because he is a senior ... but he does not deserve it... Dacar is by far the better one between the pipes... and if not Dacar, Kevin from newberry should have recieved it with more saves and only 17 more goals against with a crappier offense.... Dacar on the other hand had at least 40 more saves and at least 30 less goals then the one who recieved the honor (bright who only saved 60% and dacar with 77%).... never once did Dacar go over 5 goals pergame ... even vs. Bonanza... he had a 2.66 GPG and bright with 5.5 GPG .... this is just another example why Kid's parents should not be president of the league or on the board because it just leads to favoritism... or passiveness by the coachs of the SCLA to vote for the "big guy's" son :bull:

[tomtom]

Can't agree more with what theresnoshot and lax conejo said. When it comes down to it, though you really cant argue that all league is based purely on ability. I dont want to rain on Brights parade, he certainly isnt a bad goalie in any manner, however there are just more good goalies than him in the league. My personal rankings would go Dacar, Miyomoto, and then its a tossup between Hackman and Bright. I have to admit, though Im not sure how things came up this way.

Bright I can understand getting the 1 spot, deserved or undeserved. Dacar HAD to be in the top 3, simply because he's the best. But between Kevin and Justin, im a bit shaky. I can understand that for Hackman, his defense was less developed than most teams and had more overall saves, however he only made an extra 20 or so saves, but let in an additional 30 goals. SP was lower too. I suppose it was defensive inexperience that gave it to him, though to be honest, Newbury aint exactly sporting the greatest defense out there.

Edit:

After thinking on it, Im almost glad that the all league for goalie came out so incredibly biased that nobody can deny it. Hopefully, those running this league will take a step towards ensuring less favoritism in the selection of these athletes. Note Im not saying everybody who made the list got their because of favoritism, but its clearly present in some situations. Congratulations to everybody who made the team, and good luck to our graduating seniors.

ps- laxconejo/califeeder: Does Grayson phillips do a lot of good stuff on defense or is he a FOGO guy or what? I saw him for 3rd team middie, checked his stats, and figured there must be something more to him than meets the eye.

[LAX_Conejo]

Can't agree more with what theresnoshot and lax conejo said. When it comes down to it, though you really cant argue that all league is based purely on ability. I dont want to rain on Brights parade, he certainly isnt a bad goalie in any manner, however there are just more good goalies than him in the league. My personal rankings would go Dacar, Miyomoto, and then its a tossup between Hackman and Bright. I have to admit, though Im not sure how things came up this way.

Bright I can understand getting the 1 spot, deserved or undeserved. Dacar HAD to be in the top 3, simply because he's the best. But between Kevin and Justin, im a bit shaky. I can understand that for Hackman, his defense was less developed than most teams and had more overall saves, however he only made an extra 20 or so saves, but let in an additional 30 goals. SP was lower too. I suppose it was defensive inexperience that gave it to him, though to be honest, Newbury aint exactly sporting the greatest defense out there.

Edit:

After thinking on it, Im almost glad that the all league for goalie came out so incredibly biased that nobody can deny it. Hopefully, those running this league will take a step towards ensuring less favoritism in the selection of these athletes. Note Im not saying everybody who made the list got their because of favoritism, but its clearly present in some situations. Congratulations to everybody who made the team, and good luck to our graduating seniors.

ps- laxconejo/califeeder: Does Grayson phillips do a lot of good stuff on defense or is he a FOGO guy or what? I saw him for 3rd team middie, checked his stats, and figured there must be something more to him than meets the eye.

Had to save you whole post just in case you edit again. Great post by the way.

Regarding Grayson: yes, he does play back on defense as well. He usually takes the outer-lying players. Built like a fullback but has to run up and down the field like Zeolla

[3rdPersonPlural]

Save percentage is a misleading stat - sort of like rbi's in baseball. You'll get a lot of rbi's if the guys who bat ahead of you frequently get on base, and you'll get a lot of saves if your defense does a good job of forcing lousy shots.

If you go by 'goals against average', the goalie on my kid's u13 team is better than the goalie on Sean Lindsay's MLL team. Numbers don't lie, right?

Let's also keep in mind that a keeper who makes dumb decisions on initiating clears is a liability even if he does a fine job catching shots.

[LAX_Conejo]

Save percentage is a misleading stat - sort of like rbi's in baseball. You'll get a lot of rbi's if the guys who bat ahead of you frequently get on base, and you'll get a lot of saves if your defense does a good job of forcing lousy shots.

Let's also keep in mind that a keeper who makes dumb decisions on initiating clears is a liability even if he does a fine job catching shots.

Great saves, snuffing out 1 one 1's, great clears to (unfortunately if a player runs with it for like 10 steps it does not count as an assist) he is that last player to touch it before his teammate who scores, almost 100% of side shots stopped. You have seen them both play.....

In almost all of Dacar's clears, only one interception and about 5 misjudged over the teammate's head. He works well with the quick transition back to offense

[tomtom]

FYI, anybody interested, at the moment the game is looking to be monday at noonish, peppertree park. Bring a reversable penny and in Alec's case, a shortstick in case we have extra goalies and need a middie or attack or something. Tell your friends too.

[cali feeder]

ps- laxconejo/califeeder: Does Grayson phillips do a lot of good stuff on defense or is he a FOGO guy or what? I saw him for 3rd team middie, checked his stats, and figured there must be something more to him than meets the eye. He's a great face-off guy, is always good for a point or two on offense, and is a great defensive player. And he's built like a horse, and hustles like no one I've ever seen.

FYI, anybody interested, at the moment the game is looking to be monday at noonish, peppertree park. Bring a reversable penny and in Alec's case, a shortstick in case we have extra goalies and need a middie or attack or something. Tell your friends too. I'll be there, definitely. I'll try to get some of my non-football-playing teammates to come too.

snuffing out 1 one 1's I think that's one of the main things that set DaCar out from other goalies. He was very, very good at using his body to stop potential one on one goals.

[socalax]

OK, you guys are really overanalyzing this whole all league goalie crap. First of all, it is what it is and you can't do anything about it. Second, Taylor is the best goalie in our league, regardless of what his stats are. I have been playing with Taylor since the league started, and he deserves it. He has kinda flown under the radar this season. I honestly can't believe you guys would put Moto in front of Taylor. Taylor is clearly better. Nothing against Moto, he's a stud and comes up huge in big games, but if you look at all the aspects of a goalie, outlet passes, saves, talk, intelligence, etc... Taylor is just better all around than all the other goalies. Dacar is definately up there, but he's got a solid D around him. This is just one man's opinion and I really don't care what anyone else thinks.

[socalax]

this is just another example why Kid's parents should not be president of the league or on the board because it just leads to favoritism... or passiveness by the coachs of the SCLA to vote for the "big guy's" son :bull:

Why would you even think like that? You don't even know Taylor or his dad. You have no right to say that bro. :thumbsdow

[N8dawg19]

will some of u guys post ur team names and ratings on lax power in CA
lcc 13

[LAX_Conejo]

Oak Park
#6 Overall State
#1 Club State
#153 National

[tomtom]

Newbury Park 12 :(


btw, While Im not saying to cant or shouldnt be talking here, this is the club forum, so CIF discussions should be brought to the main CA lax thread. i hope you stick around here and discuss club stuff with us, though!

[tomtom]

OK, you guys are really overanalyzing this whole all league goalie crap. First of all, it is what it is and you can't do anything about it. Second, Taylor is the best goalie in our league, regardless of what his stats are. I have been playing with Taylor since the league started, and he deserves it. He has kinda flown under the radar this season. I honestly can't believe you guys would put Moto in front of Taylor. Taylor is clearly better. Nothing against Moto, he's a stud and comes up huge in big games, but if you look at all the aspects of a goalie, outlet passes, saves, talk, intelligence, etc... Taylor is just better all around than all the other goalies. Dacar is definately up there, but he's got a solid D around him. This is just one man's opinion and[b] I really don't care what anyone else thinks.[b]

While I respect your right to your opinion, I really dont see why we should even bother discussing it with you with that kind of attitude. If you don't care what we think, then thats perfectly fine with me and thats your right to do so. But if that's the case, dont go on a rant of your own because I'm pretty sure nobody wants a heated rant with someody who doesnt care to hear any other opinions.

-my 2 cents worth

[westlakelax17]

OK, you guys are really overanalyzing this whole all league goalie crap. First of all, it is what it is and you can't do anything about it. Second, Taylor is the best goalie in our league, regardless of what his stats are. I have been playing with Taylor since the league started, and he deserves it. He has kinda flown under the radar this season. I honestly can't believe you guys would put Moto in front of Taylor. Taylor is clearly better. Nothing against Moto, he's a stud and comes up huge in big games, but if you look at all the aspects of a goalie, outlet passes, saves, talk, intelligence, etc... Taylor is just better all around than all the other goalies. Dacar is definately up there, but he's got a solid D around him. This is just one man's opinion and I really don't care what anyone else thinks.


Finally, someone that agrees with me on taylor being a good goalie. thanks trav.

[westlakelax17]

While I respect your right to your opinion, I really dont see why we should even bother discussing it with you with that kind of attitude. If you don't care what we think, then thats perfectly fine with me and thats your right to do so. But if that's the case, dont go on a rant of your own because I'm pretty sure nobody wants a heated rant with someody who doesnt care to hear any other opinions.

-my 2 cents worth



I respect what you are saying, but whenever I try to defend my opinion on things, people like Lax Conejo always seems to say I am wrong about Taylor having any skill, or why we lost of why I didn't make the elite starz team.

[tHeReS nO sHot]

As far as i know... after watching both of these 4 keepers playing... (hackman bright "moto" dacar) ... they are all around the same level of play... but here is what i assume now after reading what some people say...
Hackman: Stud goalie... but weak supporting crew which leads to bombarding shots? so a low SP or high ammount of goals against?
Moto: Raw talent... great goalie... but inconsistant.... reatively weak defense around him but sufficient?
Bright: the Stud of the SCLA... heard through the grape vine that some of the westlake players said he was "the best in the nation" ... solid defense but still not as good as the competion around them... all olderclassmen?
Dacar: Newcomer into the league that no one knows about... Overrated.... SOLID defense around him but all first year starters... Only good because his supporting cast...
IF that is wrong someone tell me what is the correct answers

[tHeReS nO sHot]

Finally, someone that agrees with me on taylor being a good goalie. thanks trav.
I believe most of the people in the forums arent doubting he isnt a bad goalie... its just that there ARE better goalies out there no questions asked...

[tomtom]

I believe most of the people in the forums arent doubting he isnt a bad goalie... its just that there ARE better goalies out there no questions asked...

Agreed. Bright is undoubtedly a talented goalie. However, there are numerous talented goalies in this league alongside him.

[westlakelax17]

Agreed. Bright is undoubtedly a talented goalie. However, there are numerous talented goalies in this league alongside him.


Ok, i agree with that too.

[socalax]

Same, I am not saying no one else is talented. It just gets me ticked when guys talk like theres no shot did in a previous comment. It was uncalled for. Sorry for the tude, just couldn't help it.

[tHeReS nO sHot]

Same, I am not saying no one else is talented. It just gets me ticked when guys talk like theres no shot did in a previous comment. It was uncalled for. Sorry for the tude, just couldn't help it.
what? ummm

[tHeReS nO sHot]

Same, I am not saying no one else is talented. It just gets me ticked when guys talk like theres no shot did in a previous comment. It was uncalled for. Sorry for the tude, just couldn't help it.
what? ummm ya im asking if i am wrong or not

[westlakelax17]

what? ummm ya im asking if i am wrong or not


I think travis meant to say is that you are not wrong and that comment was not directed at you. I think you are right accept the part about westlake players thinking that taylor is the best goalie ever thing. We think he is a talented player and he deserved the place on first team all league.

[tomtom]

Well, its been since last season that anybody's posted here, but its time to gear up for the '08 season. Any predictions on SCLA?

[cali feeder]

Either Agoura's athlete dominated squad or NP's team play and youth takes home the title.

[tomtom]

Either Agoura's athlete dominated squad or NP's team play and youth takes home the title.

Youll have to fill me in about what you mean "and youth".

[cali feeder]

Youll have to fill me in about what you mean "and youth". Agoura's squad is loaded with quick, tough football players, some of whom are quite good laxers.

NP is stocked with soph's and juniors, correct? They'll be able to run deep into their bench without a huge drop in talent. I've played with quite a few of them.

[tomtom]

Agoura's squad is loaded with quick, tough football players, some of whom are quite good laxers.

NP is stocked with soph's and juniors, correct? They'll be able to run deep into their bench without a huge drop in talent. I've played with quite a few of them.

Ahh, now I get you. Yeah, if im counting correct(which is not always the case, beware) theres only 4 other seniors besides myself. 2 of us only have a year under our belts as well.

On the other hand, with our superiorly strung pockets(courtesy of first person singular) we have a definite leg up. It's a little know fact that the ball enjoys my pockets so much, it actually generates a force(approximately 1 newton meter) into the pocket, rendering pokes and slaps useless.