Possession end of period with extra man

[Duncan26]

I have a question regarding possession at the end of a period with an extra-man. I know a pass in the air is not considered possession if period end before being caught with an extra man (rule 4, section 5, g, note) However, is a shot taken at the end of a period considered possession? I was reffing a game tonight with this situation and my partner and I ruled it possession. We started the next period with no face-off and give the ball to the team who took the shot to end the period. I think we were right but would like confirmation. :concerned
Thanks

[Woodenstick]

A shot that is still in play is not in possession of either team. If a shot goes out of bounds, the ball belongs to the closest team, which is now in possession.

[the next 'one']

i don't think it counts as possession.

[3rdPersonPlural]

A shot is an orphan ball until it is secured by the keeper, a field player, or whistled dead. A shot in flight is a loose ball. Like a pass, only less benign.

[laxfan25]

I have a question regarding possession at the end of a period with an extra-man. I know a pass in the air is not considered possession if period end before being caught with an extra man (rule 4, section 5, g, note) However, is a shot taken at the end of a period considered possession? I was reffing a game tonight with this situation and my partner and I ruled it possession. We started the next period with no face-off and give the ball to the team who took the shot to end the period. I think we were right but would like confirmation. :concerned
Thanks
Sorry, no confirmation here. The only way it would be considered possession is if the attackman was standing on the endline with the ball, you blow your whistle and a half-second later the horn goes off. If the quarter ends with the ball loose after a shot - face it off!

[LaxRef]

Agreed: if the horn sounds before the ball is out of bounds, no possession. If it sounds just after possession is awarded, then you have possession and no faceoff.

Also, remember that a flag down indicates possession, but that in NCAA you only skip the faceoff if the period ends with an uneven situation (so if each team has one guy in the box, or Team A has one and the period ends with a flag down for a Team B foul, no possession is awarded). In NFHS, it doesn't matter as long as one guy is in the box.

[laxfan25]

One point of clarification - in theory, as soon as the ball breaks the plane of the endline on the shot, you should whistle, the clock is stopped and you award possession. Let's say the shot goes out, you notice who is getting the ball, take a half-second to blow your whistle and then the clock operator, being a little slow and allowing for the speed of sound delay to engage his brain, doesn't stop the clock before the horn goes off. In that case, you could award possession, since it was going to go to one of the teams before the horn. Kind of a bang-bang call, but you would be within rights to do it.

[CardinalPuff]

NCAA rules: Team A has possession within the attack box, A1 passes to A2....before A2 catches the pass B1 slashes A2 causing A2 to drop said pass.....officials ruled immediate whistle but i think Team A still has technical possession...

btw, from what i heard Team A's coaches vehemetly agreed with me which, of course, gives me pause.....

[LaxRef]

NCAA rules: Team A has possession within the attack box, A1 passes to A2....before A2 catches the pass B1 slashes A2 causing A2 to drop said pass.....officials ruled immediate whistle but i think Team A still has technical possession...

btw, from what i heard Team A's coaches vehemetly agreed with me which, of course, gives me pause.....

As I understand it, a loose-ball personal is still an immediate whistle, even if in the attack box, unless there is already a flag down. However, if there is a loose-ball personal in the attack area when a flag is already down, another flag is thrown and play continues.

A pass in flight which is not caught is not possession.

[CardinalPuff]

As I understand it, a loose-ball personal is still an immediate whistle, even if in the attack box, unless there is already a flag down. However, if there is a loose-ball personal in the attack area when a flag is already down, another flag is thrown and play continues.

A pass in flight which is not caught is not possession.
yep....you're right, of course :worship: ....sometimes i'll read a passage in the rules and over think it......

[PlayOn]

NCAA rules: Team A has possession within the attack box, A1 passes to A2....before A2 catches the pass B1 slashes A2 causing A2 to drop said pass.....officials ruled immediate whistle but i think Team A still has technical possession...

btw, from what i heard Team A's coaches vehemetly agreed with me which, of course, gives me pause.....


There's no possession there because the ball is on the ground and the pass was not completed. However if the flag is down and the quarter ends the offended team should start with the ball in the next quarter if they had possession at the end of the previous quarter...I think.

[LaxRef]

There's no possession there because the ball is on the ground and the pass was not completed. However if the flag is down and the quarter ends the offended team should start with the ball in the next quarter if they had possession at the end of the previous quarter...I think.

A flag down denotes possession, even if the ball is loose whent he period ends. However, a flag-down at the end of the period in NCAA confers possession only if it leads to an uneven situation. In NFHS, it confers posession no matter what.