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maclacrosse
05-26-2007, 08:28 PM
just wondering does any 1 know the stats of those guys

gfkeeper28
05-26-2007, 11:16 PM
Looking at Inside Lacrosse's recruiting issues, it looks like most of the top D1 goalie recruits have a save percentage over 70% with a goals against average under 10. Check out their bios on D1 websites, it will usually have something about their high school careers too.

naptownlax101
05-27-2007, 06:31 PM
do those stats vary region to region or will u still get recruited with the numbers, even if ur from this place called indiana?

gfkeeper28
05-27-2007, 11:15 PM
I'm not sure how competition is in Indiana, but those are numbers in places like Long Island and Maryland.

MaKiMaKi13
05-28-2007, 08:36 AM
if you want to go D1 your going to have to be sick nasty its as simple as that

EHSLAX12
05-28-2007, 09:12 AM
wow, im like 10x higher in save pct but my gaa is high. i face literally 30 shots a game but never let in more than 10. so my gaa was around the 8 area. my saves in a game are always 18-26 area with a few going to 27 and 28 and a few at 16 and 17. i dont let in 10 every game, but thats my max.

G10TSM
05-29-2007, 11:07 AM
It's tough to put a figure on it because of the changes in competition level, a sick goalie in a bad area might have outstanding numbers, but a sick goalie in the Maryland private school leagues like the MIAA or IAC might have pretty normal numbers....it all just depends on the quality of saves you make, how you play against tougher competition and how well you play at recruiting camps.

OldGoalie
05-29-2007, 03:54 PM
wow, im like 10x higher in save pct but my gaa is high. i face literally 30 shots a game but never let in more than 10. so my gaa was around the 8 area. my saves in a game are always 18-26 area with a few going to 27 and 28 and a few at 16 and 17. i dont let in 10 every game, but thats my max.

Here we go again...do you face 30 shots, or 30 SOG, every game? There's a big difference. To be regularly making 18-26 saves a game with a >66% save percentage, you would be heavily recruited as a bluechip D1 prospect. Are you a bluechip?

Laxman3221
05-29-2007, 04:52 PM
This is why coaches don't recruit from stats and come out to watch you play. Stats don't tell them you are letting in 15 yard stick side shots or making every outside save and giving up only 1 on 1s.

pantherLax
05-29-2007, 05:11 PM
Here we go again...do you face 30 shots, or 30 SOG, every game? There's a big difference. To be regularly making 18-26 saves a game with a >66% save percentage, you would be heavily recruited as a bluechip D1 prospect. Are you a bluechip?

OldGoalie, i'm sure you are suspicious that EHSLAX's post is again one of those "I have a 4.3 40yard dash, and can bench 280. But I can defend his case for I am on his team.

What EHS said is right. Maybe more like 14-23 saves a game, but he did have a couple 25+ save games. And yes 30 SOG. You can check out our team stats on Maxpreps too.

We're a first year varsity team so our schedule was relatively weak. But our team was kinda weak too; bad defense=more shots=more saves. But then again we also played some really good established teams.

TrapDoor
05-29-2007, 06:05 PM
The sorta stats you need to go d1 vary depending where/who you play. For example, Jason "man beast" Montoya, arguably the best goalie to come out of Washington state, had a 76.8% sv pct his senior year of high school. In his junior year, it was 80%, 'cause he played a dvision lower. Got All-American his senior year. Him and also All-American Drew Snider, a Maryland recruit who was also being recruited by Syracuse, are the reason why GHS went d1, and made it to the state semis their first year there. He ended up going to Lafayette, I think a lot because of academics among other things. That's what you need in Washington state. About a 75% sv pct despite a mid level defense, the ability to carry your teamto higher levels of play, and the nickname that 2/3 of western Washington's lax population used for you helps too.
I imagine its something like that for Indiana, not sure though, but as you can see it requires a lot of hard work and dedication, probaly a lot of trying to get recruited, and natural talent, among other things.

lilaxgurl23
05-29-2007, 06:12 PM
This is why coaches don't recruit from stats and come out to watch you play. Stats don't tell them you are letting in 15 yard stick side shots or making every outside save and giving up only 1 on 1s.

Exactly. Stats can only tell so much, and I think coaches realize that. HS stats are inconsistant enough as they are, and then factoring who you're actually playing and the type of team you're on, there's a lot more going on that just some numbers. Coaches look at not only the outcome, but how you get there. So they'll see that you're getting pounded by 1v1s, or that you've got an amazing defense in front of you. What separates these guys (top goalie recruits) from the rest isn't their numbers, but how they actually play in the game. Their games are fundamentally sound, they're athletic, they understand the concepts of what's going on around them extremely well, and generally they're just plain good. They can make those incredible saves, but also still be reliable on all the others. It's fun and all to look at numbers, but compare a top DI recruit to a medicre player who may have the same or better "stats" and you'll see that whole different level of play out of the DI prospect.

OldGoalie
05-29-2007, 07:18 PM
OldGoalie, i'm sure you are suspicious that EHSLAX's post is again one of those "I have a 4.3 40yard dash, and can bench 280. But I can defend his case for I am on his team.

What EHS said is right. Maybe more like 14-23 saves a game, but he did have a couple 25+ save games. And yes 30 SOG. You can check out our team stats on Maxpreps too.

We're a first year varsity team so our schedule was relatively weak. But our team was kinda weak too; bad defense=more shots=more saves. But then again we also played some really good established teams.

I took a look at the Maxpreps stats, and while his numbers are indeed good, they are a little exaggerated on here. I see 22 SOG per game (not 30), a 14 save per game average (2 games with more than 20 saves) and 63% save percentage. Still good, but not quite 30, 18-26, and 66%.

The other thing is, while it applies equally to most high school goalies, stat reporting at the high school level is a bit, shall we say, suspect. When I was in high school, the stat keeper was usually one of the player's girlfriends.

pantherLax
05-30-2007, 03:21 PM
Yeah i agree that HS stats can be off alot, and I dont think it was our coach that put the #'s for maxpreps, but usually the other teams...So that can go either way + or -. And this convo is kinda pointless so we will just leave it at that lol.

fromthesideline
06-01-2007, 01:38 PM
I spent 10 minutes watching Gvozden in goal and knew he was a top D1 recruit. He sent a 50 yard clear on the mark while jumping in the air and throwing it behind his back and through his legs.

laxplayanumba30
06-04-2007, 02:51 PM
theres the new york career records on laxpower.com, danny loftus(duke) had something like 1200 saves in 4 yrs, and was a 2 time all american in high school