MLL Rumors

[jmplax31]

Anyone have any info/thoughts on some of the MLL rumors going around about next year.

1. Gary Gait might retire
2. Jon Hess might retire
3. New Jersey is moving to Philly
4. There adding more time to the shot clock next year, and there is no chanse for getting a long pole for next year.

[wildcatdefense]

Actually,Gait retiring may be correct.You know DeBeer is changing their name to "Gait By DeBeer" and I believe the Gait has sometin` to do with the brotherhood.So it is very possible that Gary is going out.

[Hooligan]

Jersey to Philly.....hmmmmm

Oh don't mind me, I'm just comparing my notes. That might be why the owners were so interested in talking to my buddy and I. After all, we were parading around in our Wings jerseys. They asked a lot of questions like, "How well do you think Philly fans would support outdoor lacrosse?" Intriguing......

[jmplax31]

Paul has given alot of his time to "Gait by Debeer".

[jmplax31]

OK, this one does not have anything to do with MLL directly, but if true could effect the league. A post on lax.com says that there are some millionaires in New York that want to start another outdoor lax league with college rules.

[lizlax22]

well i hope it isn't true b/c i would hate to see the MLL fall to compotition

[jmplax31]

True, if that happened the lax world would be so divided neither league would survive? Mabey those millionaires should invest in the MLL to help it grow.

[wildcatdefense]

Yeah,the MLL may be screwed by Warrior,but what would happen to a lax players life on T.V. if hey were gone.I think they should let Warrior go and let all companies in,and then get a better game scedule.:agree

[Stopper22]

Originally posted by jmplax31
OK, this one does not have anything to do with MLL directly, but if true could effect the league. A post on lax.com says that there are some millionaires in New York that want to start another outdoor lax league with college rules. ill be very pissed if thats true, i love how the MLL is, if it changes that will be bad

[btkid08]

i dont think that is a true rumor

[jmplax31]

Yes, I would like to stress thats these are JUST rumors, but there fun to speculate about.

[btkid08]

thats fo sho

[dirtnsnow]

If there is gonna be two leagues, maybe they'll combine eventually, making lacrosse bigger. Consider the NFC and AFC, the NBA and the ABL. It could actually help the sport.

[LSM]

I think it would be great to have a new pro league and see the MLL rot and burn.... that league has been shooting itself in the foot since it started:

1. It decided to have one sole equipment supplier, this may not seem like it would really hurt the league but it does more that one would think, having one supplier means your only getting money from one company, and lacrosse companies arent exactly as big as nike or adidas, if you were able to draw from more than one company (like each team having its own company) there would be a lot more money coming from various deals.
2. The fact that the MLL is one company and not "franchised" teams like other more sucessful leagues also hurts them finacially and their credibility as a pro league. The MLL can move any player to any team IT wants regardless of the other teams, if they wanted to make LI and Baltimore total allstar teams (which they have, b/c "supposedly" the markets make more money there, which is not true) they could, and thus depriving lesser markets of talent (bridgeport).
3. The "Westward expansion" movement of the MLL is the biggest crock of **** that anyone could put together. The only reason they are making 3 new teams in the west is because "Jake" is from California and the Powell brothers would rather live there than the East. Do you actually think that any market there could compete with the eastern teams for attendance and overall notice. Sure they have **** for college lax but there just is that not many people playing lacrosse there.

These are just some of the reasons i think it would be better for a group of millionaires start a pro league, than just one. And I also feel that anyone who is thinking abt starting another pro lacrosse league should model it after some other sucessful league (NFL, MLB, not NHL, which wont exist in a few more years) and make sure the game is kept pure, none of this "glitz" and "show" that the MLL puts on.

peace

[jmplax31]

Hey rot and burn is preaty harsh man. Yes there are many problems with the MLL right now, but as it grows I now most of the problems with the league will go away. Yes, I think its wrong that warrior is using a pro league just to sell there product, but that means I don't like warrior. I still like the MLL. I agree with you completely that the league would be better off with many companes putting there money in to it. I also dislike the MLL is just one company, but I know that will change as the league grows. (your also hinting on the league "stacking" players on certain teams and I don't think thats true at all.) lms, your ideas on westward expansion I disagreewithI think westcoast teams could compete with eastcoast teams when it comes to attendence. On the eastcoast there is alot of lacrosse for the fans to see (college,club, high school) so in some ways the lax market is saturated. To add to that there are tons of traditionalist that don't care for pro games. Westcoast laxers are willing towatch any kind of lax they can.

[Stopper22]

Originally posted by lsm
I think it would be great to have a new pro league and see the MLL rot and burn.... that league has been shooting itself in the foot since it started:

1. It decided to have one sole equipment supplier, this may not seem like it would really hurt the league but it does more that one would think, having one supplier means your only getting money from one company, and lacrosse companies arent exactly as big as nike or adidas, if you were able to draw from more than one company (like each team having its own company) there would be a lot more money coming from various deals.
2. The fact that the MLL is one company and not "franchised" teams like other more sucessful leagues also hurts them finacially and their credibility as a pro league. The MLL can move any player to any team IT wants regardless of the other teams, if they wanted to make LI and Baltimore total allstar teams (which they have, b/c "supposedly" the markets make more money there, which is not true) they could, and thus depriving lesser markets of talent (bridgeport).
3. The "Westward expansion" movement of the MLL is the biggest crock of **** that anyone could put together. The only reason they are making 3 new teams in the west is because "Jake" is from California and the Powell brothers would rather live there than the East. Do you actually think that any market there could compete with the eastern teams for attendance and overall notice. Sure they have **** for college lax but there just is that not many people playing lacrosse there.

These are just some of the reasons i think it would be better for a group of millionaires start a pro league, than just one. And I also feel that anyone who is thinking abt starting another pro lacrosse league should model it after some other sucessful league (NFL, MLB, not NHL, which wont exist in a few more years) and make sure the game is kept pure, none of this "glitz" and "show" that the MLL puts on.

peace If you dont liek it dont watch it and dont talk about it, theres no room for a person that is so negative when it comes to the MLL

[wildcatdefense]

i agree with both of you to some degree.i say that at least we have an mll,so there is t5he good side,but i do agree that5 warrior needs to back of so they don`t kill the mll.

[dirtnsnow]

Originally posted by jmplax31
On the eastcoast there is alot of lacrosse for the fans to see (college,club, high school) so in some ways the lax market is saturated. To add to that there are tons of traditionalist that don't care for pro games. Westcoast laxers are willing towatch any kind of lax they can.

He's right. Lacrosse is a novelty out west. The only stuff we get is what's on cable, and a few high school games, which are mostly beginners. I would love to see a pro team come out west. It would also help with the expansion of lacrosse in general. I go out and play, and get asked all the time what I'm doing. So I have to explain lacrosse. If there was a pro team out west, it would raise awareness, and then convert more players. Then you would get more attendance, and a stronger MLL.

[stegmakk]

nonononono...no new league...especially at the same time the mll is around...that is so bad for getting new people into lacrosse...theyll be confused...think if rugby was starting to get big in the US...and they just made the first pro rugby league...3 years later as it was starting to expand and build fans along comes a new group of rugby players that says hey we want our own league with our own rules...now you have an emerging sport with 2 pro leagues each with their own rules...#1 confusing for fans #2 what would the players do? you wouldn't get everyone in the same league the talent level would drop... #3 the already mediocre attendance levels at the MLL would decrease due to competition for the same fans...grrrr

[dirtnsnow]

But what about expanding west? What are your thoughts on that?

[johnnyicesae]

most of the leagues mentioned (NFL, NHL, MLB, and NBA) started off as being owned by one company. Not all teams were but for the most part that is how it worked originally. Now the NBA is the youngest of the big 4. But they all have had time to evolve into the current form of what we see today. Pro leagues take time to become profitable. You can't do it over night. Remember the XFL... 1 season...Moneybags Mcmahon bank rolling it.... And it spread too far too fast and folded like a piece of thinly rolled dough.

Thing about a business, any business not just sports, is that you always have to be doing something you can't rest on your luarels because someone is going to catch up with you. You have to grow but you have to be cautious about how you do it. The MLL has waited 3 years and now is going to expand. Expanding too fast can be bad though...Look at the NHL. I would rather see then MLL expand by 3 teams next year not 6 personally

[Hooligan]

Here's the deal:

I don't care what professional sports league you wish to bring up, they all had to deal with their specific demons before they could reach the promised land. Most DO NOT make it. In fact, there were literally more leagues than one could possibly keep track of in professional baseball, before the two leagues took over (AL and NL) to encompass the entire federation of what is now known as Major League Baseball. In fact the whole minor league system, including leagues outside of that system, are the remnants of what was a vast expanse of individual leagues based on regional professional baseball.

Now with that being said, we all know that baseball is the longest tenured professional sport organized into a specific league in the USA. It took nearly 50 years before all of professional baseball had one home.

The MLL has been around for 3 years. FOR GOD'S SAKE, give it some time people! Rome wasn't built in a day! The NLL has been around since 1987, and we aren't even close to stablizing ourselves, and we're trying western expansion this year (against our collective will). The MLL must sustain itself in a regional setting, before it can spill over those boarders. If it goes too far, too soon, it can spread itself way too thin, then you won't have a professional outdoor league to kick around anymore!!!!

[LSM]

Originally posted by Stopper22
If you dont liek it dont watch it and dont talk about it, theres no room for a person that is so negative when it comes to the MLL

you cant say that none if not all of my points are true, yea i like to watch the MLL but if there was something more "pure" i guess you could say, i would enjoy it a lot more, maybe college lax is that thing...you can't tell me that it doesnt make you want to throw up with listen to the commentators on tv for MLL games throw in a sales pitch every three lines, and never calling positions by there actually names (goalie is always called something else, i cant remem. now but thats all they called them during the allstar game)

peace

[jmplax31]

yes, I hate the commentators as well and there is a thread about that subject. Like I said before there are many things they need to improve but I love the league and hope it grows as large as the NFL, NBA, ect...

[btkid08]

i wonder what they called the goaleis?

[LSM]

I REMEMBER NOW! they called them "netminders" sooooo annoying...

[Hooligan]

Go mind your net, netminder!

[jmplax31]

OK more rumers- team in philly is looking more and more likely (Hooligan, you know something about this right) and on the Bayhawks website there is a pole about where they should play next year, including Ocean City, Annapolis

[Stopper22]

Originally posted by jmplax31
OK more rumers- team in philly is looking more and more likely (Hooligan, you know something about this right) and on the Bayhawks website there is a pole about where they should play next year, including Ocean City, Annapolis thats very interesting, the later part more so.

[jmplax31]

I think they could be sucsessful in Annapolis. I've thought that they could try to move the bayhawks to another part of maryland

[LSM]

annapolis is pretty close to balt. they'll prob. only gain a greater market, i thnk boston should move a little closer to BOSTON, seeing that is the city they call themselves.. theyre a good 1.5hrs outside the city, and like 2.5 from providence, they should be called the Lowell Cannons but that just doesnt have the same ring to it... Harvard, BC, BU, Northeastern, etc. all have great stadiums and are actually in/close to boston, not to mention the minor league ballparks..

[jmplax31]

navy (in annapolis) had 10,000 people go to a Hopkins/Navy game two years ago.

[jmplax31]

New rumers from a source on the MLL forum

link- http://198.93.127.18/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1119

this along with the 20 game rumer makes me start to wonder.

[Hooligan]

Isn't it about time for one of the best MLL teams to find a PERMINANT home? This is really disturbing. Although, I've heard that a team could be interested in Philly....could the Bayhawks change bays? No more Chesapeak...time for the Delaware Bay! lol

[jmplax31]

If someone goes to Philly, I'd like it to be NJ.

[Longest]

Baltimore MUST keep their team. Because it's too far for me to drive elsewhere to watch a game :-)

Dan

[btkid08]

uh..........i guess so

[CP22_rocks!]

i heard that rumor too!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hooligan]

I have some confirmation information for you MLL nuts!!!

#1. The New Jersey Pride are staying put...they will have a new facility, but still in Jersey. Philadelphia WILL NOT have a team for 2004 at all.

#2. The MLL WILL expand by as many as 6 new teams, all of them out west. No cities were named. The twelve teams will be divided into East and West Divisions, where neither division will play each other, until the championship game. All 6 existing eastern teams will be the same for 2004.

I'm going to keep my ear to the ground to see if any cities get name dropped. Remember this is all official information that you can take to the bank. IT WILL HAPPEN!

[stegmakk]

Hooligan...You ARE a lax news god...
I dunno how you do it but thanks for the info...

[jmplax31]

Are these six new cities for the 04 year? I'm love the expantion west, but is it too fast? The fact that there not moving NJ to Philly is a bad NON-move. Don't they understand that some markets are not ready to support a lax team yet. It seems like the MLL higher-ups don't want to admit there wrong about cities like Bridgeport or NJ. If all this goes down for next year, 04 will be a do or die year for the MLL. I'm scared.

[Hooligan]

The NJ thing was based on the fact that the current owners didn't want to sell or partner up with anyone. Rumor is that the Wings organization wanted to partner.

The 6 new teams are in fact for 2004, and the MLL is moving quickly to get the deals done.

Remember Steggy, you cite me as the source!!!:agree From your friends at Wingslacrosse.com, digging ever deeper to get you the story!!!

[jmplax31]

Do you now when the MLL might tell us about these deals? There always so hush-hush in the offseason and I hate it.

[SullyLax]

Originally posted by LSM
annapolis is pretty close to balt. they'll prob. only gain a greater market, i thnk boston should move a little closer to BOSTON, seeing that is the city they call themselves.. theyre a good 1.5hrs outside the city, and like 2.5 from providence, they should be called the Lowell Cannons but that just doesnt have the same ring to it... Harvard, BC, BU, Northeastern, etc. all have great stadiums and are actually in/close to boston, not to mention the minor league ballparks..

i realize this quote was a while back, but... cawley (colley? sp?) stadium is really nice, and its much easier to get in and around lowell than boston. there is no good lacrosse suitable stadium in boston, besides college campuses you mentioned. lowell is only 45 mins out of boston really, not 1.5+. nobody has ever heard of lowell, calling it boston just makes more sense, and the lowell cannons? man... plus, lowell is MUCH more convient for me. (15 minute drive) :bye

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by jmplax31
Do you now when the MLL might tell us about these deals? There always so hush-hush in the offseason and I hate it.
Nothing yet, but as soon as I hear, rest assured you guys will know!:agree

[jmplax31]

What do people think of the teams not playing each other till the championship? I don't like it, but I understand why they have to do it, because of the cost of travel.

[Hooligan]

One of the charms that baseball had over all other sports was the divide between AL and NL. If the MLL can capture and embrace that, it may give it one more charm!

[jmplax31]

I hate that aspect of baseball.

[Hooligan]

LOL...well, they don't do it anymore!:agree

I think the MLL is growing too big for their shoes too, but separating the east and west will actually help stablize how the league is run. That way, if there's any issues that effect the west as opposed to the east, implementing a rule or a change in one division will not cause the other to suffer.

[jmplax31]

It sure is growing to fast, but now we have an expantion draft to look forward too, and now baltimore's trading of Cat does not look so good because its expected that an expantion team would get the first pick. Or will they run this west coast expantion thing differently. I WANT answers!

[Hooligan]

Here's what I know from an NLL standpoint.

The NLL draft this year was very different from what we as NLL followers were used to. Western teams stuck with western talent (cutting costs), and eastern teams were allowed to get some more sought after talent surpassing other western teams which had higher picks.

So, what you can expect from the Western expansion picks...

1. they'll stick with local talent
2. depending on how the MLL stocks those teams, you could see two different styles of play anyway.

Don't worry, this has been no secret, so Baltimore should have known what it was doing all along.

[jmplax31]

I have a feeling that the MLL is going to bring all the "stars" it can which might not be alot) over to the west coast, and fill the rest of the spots up with local talent.

[Hooligan]

Ooooook

The merry-go-round spins again. I tell you, if sports journalists didn't have rumors to write about, they'd have nothing at all! LOL

Now, an outside MLL sourse is telling me that the MLL has scrapped its 2004 expansion. No reasons or other time frames were given. I dont know if this means they're holding out for 2005, or if this won't happen for a few more years yet.

I personally don't know who to believe, as both sources (the one saying yes, and the one saying no) are both very reliable. I would say, lets just sit back, and wait for another one to give the word.

God, this is rediculous........

[Stopper22]

this is truly interesting. Im guessing that ti wont happen till 05. It would make sence to allow the new teams to have the first picks in the supplametal draft, which is happenign in december. Unless they are closer to picking cities than we all know. I bet it will happen in 05 allowing them to get the first pick in the college and suplametal draft. however i think the new west teams will add a buzz to teh league that it needs

[jmplax31]

Well this is interesting...... http://www.majorleaguelacrosse.com/
Could this be a hint in the way of expantion now. I don't know why they would do a thing like this if they were not expanding now?

[jmplax31]

Just read a rumer that Billy Daye might make a come back, he was reserved by Boston?!?!

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by jmplax31
Well this is interesting...... http://www.majorleaguelacrosse.com/
Could this be a hint in the way of expantion now. I don't know why they would do a thing like this if they were not expanding now?
Thats exactly what that article is suggesting. There is no reason to have your 20 man roster set this early, other than for expansion.

Remember people, I just report it, I very rarely understand it!:laugh

[Stopper22]

Originally posted by Hooligan
Thats exactly what that article is suggesting. There is no reason to have your 20 man roster set this early, other than for expansion.

Remember people, I just report it, I very rarely understand it!:laugh :tongue idk but dosent it seem to early to have the draft on the 17th unless the citys are picked? and if there are only 6 teams what is the point of adding 15 players to the teams. Its not all adding up to me really.

[jmplax31]

Right thats 35 player for a preseason roster, and don't forget they still have rookies to add.

[DrDetroit]

I think that the MLL is bound for expansion, especially with the 20 man roster cuts. Given that they do that evry year, it seems a bit early. for expansion tho. the MLL should move Baltimore to Philly, where Villanova is, then add teams in Columbus and D.C. The Columbus team could play at Ohio State, Philly at the Villanova stadium, and DC at Georgetown.

[jmplax31]

I don't know how well a D.C. team would do, they could not come anywhere close to supporting a NLL team and it jusr does not sem to me like the fans in that area like watching lax.

[jmplax31]

I took this quote from the NJ Pride website. It explains why they might be having this draft, even if its not for expantion.

"Some of the unprotected players are players who have retired, could not play due to career, logistial/travel or geographical concerns, etc. The hope is, unprotected players have a window of opportunity to catch on with a new team in their area, and vice versa. What's nice about the system is that you also have a chance to re-claim them through the Supplemental Draft"

[jmplax31]

this kind of scarey, hopefully this rumor is not true.
link- http://forums.laxpower.com/read.php?f=1&i=83833&t=83833

[BuckWyld]

can you explain what is so bad about this new guy?

[jmplax31]

Personaly, I think the guy that runs the Boston Cannons did an incredible job, with that team, and I see no reason why he will not do a good job with the league. i think the guy who wrote the post will think that he might give he cannons an advatage. Anyway its just kind of scary to think that they fired the leagues main guy. It shows that there not comfortable with how they are doing

[NeMeSiS]

i know jersey isnt moving to philly becuase they just got a new stadium in monclear i believe i know becuase my coach is good friends with the GM of the pride and he had told him

[MontclairLax]

so me and nemesis both now now that there moving to my town, Montclair!

[cannonslax624]

ok, NOTHING is wrong with this new guy! and how do you propose, he gives the Cannons an advantage? that forum post guy is a retard...the Cannons did a terrific job with him, we have 5 of the first 12 draft picks! HE KNOWS how to run a team...and he KNOWS how to run this league...so someone tell that guy to shut up...he knows what hes doing...and i dont even suspect anyone in that position can give a team an advantage? what is he TALKING about? could someone explain how you can get an ADVANTAGE?!

[jmplax31]

MY GOD!!!!! The rumors are flying today. There is some very interesting evidence that the MLL just bought the online address philadelphiabarrage.com


hmmmm..........

[MontclairLax]

i told u they would move them

[MontclairLax]

i typed it in, and it said this site is under construction

[cannonslax624]

hey jmplax, whered u hear about the website url purchase?!

[jmplax31]

www.wingszone.com
-go to the message boards

[cannonslax624]

and where on the message boards is it?

[jmplax31]

sorry, in the News Rumors section about half way down the page

[Stopper22]

very interesting development. I thoguth they would move NJ b4 Bridgeport

[jmplax31]

Heres more on the Philly rumor-
http://forums.laxpower.com/read.php?f=1&i=94350&t=94350

[MontclairLax]

no attendance this year for barrage, someone on the philly forum said they should do North and South divisions. rightttttttttt

[8-ball]

yeah i thought new jersey would go b-4 bridgeport, bridge. had a large attendence there, new jersey had one of the lowest if not the lowest. its interesting, but i know philly will do a good job on attendence...one of the reasons for the move is prolly to make it closer to the other teams to save on a lil money for travelling.

[MontclairLax]

NJ will do better this year, but we only have 4 tru home games

[jmplax31]

Are Strong Islands coaches leaving, anyone have info on this:

http://198.93.127.18/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1262

[coach b lax]

I see a lot of good points about The MLL and the "millionaires" league. The truth is there is not enough fan base in the US to support a major TV contract. This equals no advertisers, no revenue, and no future. Pro lacrosse is great for all of us Lax enthusiasts, but in the real world of sports we are'nt even a blip on the radar.

Jake is worth $400M, he will come out of pocket for awhile, but in the long run will get tired of losing cash.

The gaming companies are dying for reasons to break a new game, you know why there is no NCAA Lacrosse for playstation?
(blast lacrosse doest count) They need to sell 2 million games to be profitable. There are'nt 2M lax fans.

The reason the MLL does not do "traditional" lacrosse is in a desparate attempt to attract non-lacrosse fans to the TV set.

Why do you think the NLL has survived. Its not because of a "traditional" game,
Its 60 shots on goal, cross checks to the face, plently of molson soaked fans, and guys killling each other who happen to have lacrosse sticks in their hands. It draws a crowd who spend money and sponsors who do the same.

The MLLproduct is great to watch, if you know what your watching. I went to Balt vs Roch last August, the game was unreal. There were abount 2000 suckers sprinkled around the stands.

Unfortunately with only 400,000 to 500,000 fans is the US on a good day, it will be doomed to ESPN 2 on tape delay.

Christ, in most of the US you can't even get a Lacrosse score at any level in the local paper. ESPN only reports NCAA Mens finals. You have to get a microscope to find lacrosse in USA today.

Enjoy it while its on.

[8-ball]

its growing very fast though, thats the thing. im sure it wont be long til things really change. ive never had anyone say they didnt like it after seeing it.

[cannonslax624]

i agree totally 8ball...i think when the league gets more popular, which it will soon enough, the fan base is going to explode at the seams...every town in my state now has a lacrosse program, as opposed to two years ago when very few of them did...like jake said, lacrosse is exploding up and down both coasts...i cant wait til our games are on primetime, not 4 oclock on espn2

[cbhslacrossemid]

The only reason why idont like the mll is the weird set of rules. its kinda confusing and i lke college rules

[banditsfan85]

coach b lax seems to be the only person that knows what he is talking about. the mll is not growing nearly as fast as u think it is. mll fans see 3k at a game at get real excited. in reality that is a horrible crowd. he is right again when he says that the mll will get no viewers on tv, because they wont. eventually espn wont put up with it. the mll is losing so much money that if they didnt have the espn2 deal they would have folded mid season last year.

[Longest]

Originally posted by banditsfan85
coach b lax seems to be the only person that knows what he is talking about. the mll is not growing nearly as fast as u think it is. mll fans see 3k at a game at get real excited. in reality that is a horrible crowd. he is right again when he says that the mll will get no viewers on tv, because they wont. eventually espn wont put up with it. the mll is losing so much money that if they didnt have the espn2 deal they would have folded mid season last year.

I presume from your signature about the NLL being the "league of the future" that you want the NLL to flourish. It being lacrosse, I want to see it flourish and not because I've ever seen a single NLL game. Nothing about being excited the MLL is folding helps the spread of our sport unless you have a couple million to spread around to give it a try.

Dan

[Ghs_Lax25]

Originally posted by dirtnsnow
If there is gonna be two leagues, maybe they'll combine eventually, making lacrosse bigger. Consider the NFC and AFC, the NBA and the ABL. It could actually help the sport.


That would be freaking awsome if that happened. I would hat to see the MLL go down though because i love watching it and it helping spread the word of lacrosse.

[Stopper22]

Originally posted by banditsfan85
coach b lax seems to be the only person that knows what he is talking about. the mll is not growing nearly as fast as u think it is. mll fans see 3k at a game at get real excited. in reality that is a horrible crowd. he is right again when he says that the mll will get no viewers on tv, because they wont. eventually espn wont put up with it. the mll is losing so much money that if they didnt have the espn2 deal they would have folded mid season last year. I have noticed a lot of the NLL guys always bashing the MLL, on how the NLL is better. The NLL is alot older and more exstablished, give the MLL some time. when the NLL was in its infant stage it went through its share of problems. Attitudes like this however do not help support the league or Lacrosse. Have you been to a MLL game?

[MontclairLax]

i luv they MLL but unlike SOME college games, it is extremely exciting at the begining because of the amazing offensive talent, but then its boring because its the same over and over, with no defense stoppin em

[powellfan1]

It also usually tends to be the Candian box fans whi have never gotten to an MLL game ever and judge it by that.

[oompa]

well over here in australia we love it (although where not a big enough audience to make a difference to rating or sponsorship) lacrosse is growing over here and in other countries around the world hopefully espn will relise that it's not just getting viewers in it's american markets but in all the other lacrosse playing nations england lacrosse is getting quite large so hopefully that will keep espn sponsoring MLL long enough for it to grow to a respectable size

[banditsfan85]

Originally posted by powellfan1
It also usually tends to be the Candian box fans whi have never gotten to an MLL game ever and judge it by that.
i am jot canadian and i have seen a game before. it looked like there were 400 people there! i am just a box fan because i think it is a much more exciting game.

[powellfan1]

I'm just saying that the people who bash the league usually are Canadian box fans. If you've seen a game and just don't like it as much as the MLL, thats ok.

[cannonslax624]

hey banditsfan, and just because theres 400 people there it makes it less exciting? come on now, get serious...and dont deny that powellfan is right, because it IS always the box fans bashing the NLL...seems like no MLL fans bash the NLL though...hmmm...

[powellfan1]

Thank you for the support!

[cannonslax624]

yeah well i mean, if theyre are going to post stupid things on the board and bash the mll all day, i'll support anyone whose against that...i cant stand it when people do that

[MontclairLax]

i know wat u mean, when i was on the MLL board on the MLL website, there was this guy, crossemonkey, who bashed the MLL in all of his posts and asked for "places to hit up some mushrooms in colorado".. very annoying

[cannonslax624]

yeah i dont like it when people do that...its really annoying, especially because its totally unprovoked...no one here makes fun of the NLL, and it should be the same for both leagues

[powellfan1]

Same here. I remember that guy. He was weird. We haven't had any bad members here except the one who got banned a month ago.

[cannonslax624]

haha someone got banned? what did he do?! i didnt even know about that