Bill Clinton

[Thrillhouse]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20040903/pl_nm/people_clinton_dc_6

Bill Clinton is in the hospital after experiencing chest pains and may have to undergo heart bypass surgery. Keep him in your prayers.

[timmy]

Clinton is only 58?

[roughrider]

it trully is a terrible day for democrats.

[HdGLaxWarrior]

Originally posted by timmy
Clinton is only 58?

I was stunned.

Rough, a definition of a sad day was when Reagan died, now that was sad to Republicans, but America too, democrats, or republicans, whites, blacks, hispanics, it was truely sad.

I'll keep him in my thoughts, although I didnt like him to much, but this is sad too. He goes into surgery on Tuesday.

[TheKOB]

Originally posted by roughrider
it trully is a terrible day for democrats.

How about the US of A?

Just because I think he didn't do much as president, he was president...twice.

[livin4lax09]

How about the US of A?

Just because I think he didn't do much as president, he was president...twice.

well I think he did. And that all of his good deeds were covered by the lewinski scandal. Many people are too naive to look past what he did. Sure, he lied about it, I'll agree he was wrong at that, but at least he didn't put our economy in a ginormous debt.

[Dan]

He just said he was going to honor and think about the man. I guess he shouldn't do that, eh? You don't need to criticize if he's willing to support those he didn't agree with. My friend was laughing, he's a right-wingnut, but nobody should die at 58. That would be no good, and be a big blow to Hilary. (Not that I want her president, but she'd have a good chance as first female.)

[OmnipotentClown]

well I think he did. And that all of his good deeds were covered by the lewinski scandal. Many people are too naive to look past what he did. Sure, he lied about it, I'll agree he was wrong at that, but at least he didn't put our economy in a ginormous debt.

the Uniuted States has nearly always had some kind of deficit. lets face it, if youre not begging on the streets right now or waiting in bread lines, what are you complaining about?

and yes, it was wrong. the scandal as well as the fact that he lied about it undermined the Oval Office as well as the upper echelons of the U.S government. i would have a great deal more respect for the man had he not directly and intentionally lied to the American public under oath.

[HdGLaxWarrior]

HE'S FINE!!! All my friends said he was dead.

[roughrider]

thank god he is fine. hes the greatest democrat we've had in many many years.

[HdGLaxWarrior]

thank god he is fine. hes the greatest democrat we've had in many many years.

I laughed for like 3 minutes after reading that last part.

[roughrider]

its true though, we've had a lagging democratic party for the last couple years. howard dean did alot for it thankfully. he might have been crazy but he brought life back into the party

[HdGLaxWarrior]

Yes I know, but he did do some horrible things like Bush did. Cant forget about losing bin Laden can you? That was a biggie. At least Bush had enough common sense to take out a phsyco lunatic terrorist.

[roughrider]

bush lost bin laden too. do you see him in jail?-no. we had him cornered in tora bora but we sent in rebel forces to do the job we should have done ourselves and we lost him.

[HdGLaxWarrior]

But heres the part that maked Clintons worse....

September 11th...

[FredtheCat]

I laughed for like 3 minutes after reading that last part.

I laugh every time you guys praise Dubya... :nahya: :chuckle:

[BTlaxripper]

I didn't like how Clinton didn't waive the marriage tax, that was a biggie too.

I didn't like clinton much either but he was the president.

[roughrider]

i dont feel you could put the blame on clinton for that. if you use that logic, you could also say bush was responsible. bush missed intelligence meetings where the information gathered by clinton's adminsinstration was transferred to him. under his watch the fbi and cia failed to share key information that wouldve prevented 9/11. bush after being told of the attacks took over 5 minutes to leave the book reading he was doing at a elementary school in florida. clinton was a great president. we had times of unheard of prosperity and peace. he wasnt perfect, but neither was washington, adams, jefferson, hamilton or any of the men whom secured americas independence and helped guide it on a path that has lasted over 200 years.

[advantage10]

roughrider put that nice, i applaud that, i don't like clinton much but he did do some good things for the country and roughrider couldn't have put that better

NADER 04' lol

[liveforlax19]

id just like to point out that our economy was the best it had been in years under clinton... and he was an expert on foreign affairs

[Dan]

I'll give that to Clinton. He was pretty solid in foreign affairs. But the economy does what it does, and it's not like we could have stopped it this time. We slowed it, or rather Bush slowed it. 9/11 really screwed it up.

[Longest]

The President has nothing to do with the economy. Should you persist in arguing it, I will at least acknowledge they have a future impact, not a current impact.

Dan

[liveforlax19]

well if u spend billions of dollars as a president, wont it have an effect on the way our economy is going?

[BTlaxripper]

Don't you guys know what mercantillism is? or laissez-faire-ism is?

[GeorgiaMiddie2]

laissez-faire-ism? is that even a word? anyhow, the concept of laissez-faire looks good on paper, but it will never work. of course, it works to an extent, but we do need some government control.

[GeorgiaMiddie2]

But heres the part that maked Clintons worse....

September 11th...

are you kidding me? i really cant believe you just said that...

[extreme lax]

How about the US of A?

Just because I think he didn't do much as president, he was president...twice.


He made a mockery of the presidential position, if of course we are talking about Clinton. Not Ronald Ragen. And Hilary Clinton is a disgrase, she is always talking about "women rights" and how women should be "strong" and man she was "Strong" when her husband cheated on her.

Interesting Fact about bill clinton- evasion of the draft during the Vietnam War... and Kerry is putting bush down for it. :nono:

but still i hope he gets well so he can write more of those Great books he writes.

[extreme lax]

The President has nothing to do with the economy. Should you persist in arguing it, I will at least acknowledge they have a future impact, not a current impact.

Dan


nothing to do with the economy...i wonder why they are giving bush so much hell about the Economy? :nofear:

[BTlaxripper]

yeah Clinton ran off to Canada.

ANYBODY HERE HOW THOSE DOCUMENTS PROVING THAT THERE WERE GAPS IN BUSH'S NATIONAL GUARD SERVICE WERE FRAUDULENT???

o wait... you watch cnn, of course not

[GeorgiaMiddie2]

let's not start this argument again in here... there are other threads about it if you wanna discuss it more.

[roughrider]

The President has nothing to do with the economy. Should you persist in arguing it, I will at least acknowledge they have a future impact, not a current impact.

Dan

the president does have so say. he directs the economic attitude for his presidency. george bush's tax cuts made the national debt go up which will be reflected in the interest rates. thus affecting the economy directly. there has been no proff that george bush's tax cuts did anything to stimulate the economy

our economy was at its strongest poiny during clintons administration. he must have done something right

[Longest]

I'm going to point out two things to an otherwise convincing argument. One, the President does not pass a budget. Congress does. Congress passed the tax cuts and everything else. The President signs it. Spare me the partisan rhetoric as well. Two, the Internet boom that crashed in 1999, the buildup of which was squarely in Clinton's regime and if anything dragged the economy down, it was that. Where does that blalme lie then?

Dan

[roughrider]

It was republican backed, and as the leader of the party he should have some say right? He proposed it anyways so i hold him responsible. Of course Bush would sign it. Bush is a moron when it comes to economics. He is the only president to cut taxes while at war, and also he is the only president to never vetoe a single spending bill

[Longest]

Check your gov't book. The President is not necessarily the leader of his party. They have plenty of party leaders in each house of the Congress + the party leadership itself.

Dan

[roughrider]

perhaps technically but its de facto

[Longest]

That means nothing. The President is out on his own limb. He can hope the party is going to follow his stance but Senate majority/minority leaders and House leaders have much more sway in Congress then him. The last time a Pres had some real Congressional sway was Lyndon Johnson.

Dan

[TheKOB]

Bush is a moron when it comes to economics.


You don't show yourself to any better. Check out the national debt thread and get back to me.