warrior head design flaw???

[brainddeadjock]

I was wondering if more people have noticed a pattern in warrior head breakage. I am a coach and a referee, and I have noticed the vast majority of the warrior head failures, around 75%, have been at the throat with the head that have the elliptical pro throat design.

Upon closer inspection, the plastic there is very thin. Compare the throat of any of the elliptical throat designs to say the STX Profile. STX seems to have added extra plastic to reinforce the connection between the shaft and the head. I am assuming this is done on purpose, to lighten the weight of the head. Shave 10 grams, and don't worry about the durability, since it will fail after 12 months. Since it probably cost them $5 to make each head, warranty 20% of them and your still ahead.

Is this a common failure point for the other members of the forums?

[BK_Knights_9]

I had a finalizer that broke on the throat, it split right down the front of the oval shape, like so. (l) It also broke on the underside of the throat.

[JazzyJake]

no.
my heads explode.
*not kidding*

[MACDADDY]

no.
my heads explode.
*not kidding*
that would be a nice site.

[bigdale9]

pics of broken evo pro from an earlier thread

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all warrior heads are weak they make em cheap and jack up the price compare any warrior head to an stx head or brine head and you will noticed a difference in thinkness

p.s links dead now but it broke right on the sidewall. tje sidewall split open

[Stickmaster]

Well Profiles are known for their breakage near the sidewall holes. These heads are strong on the thoroat, but I broke two heads of the profile in the exact same place.

[kevidinho]

Yeah it happened to my Evo 2.0..as you know. But that happened after less than a week of practice.

[italianstalion]

I'd be pretty devastated if my Helix broke.

It's a Helix man, a Helix. **In a Dave Chappelle voice on MJ's trial**

[MACDADDY]

what would you say about the older warrior throats of the original revo, evo, and razer? are they more durable?

[laxn]

I just don't like Warrior, they break more than other heads, and yea I noticed that too on the throats or right in the middle of the scoop, almost as if it's by design......

[DJ Death]

warrior does provide a 1-year warranty on all their heads, though.

[brainddeadjock]

what would you say about the older warrior throats of the original revo, evo, and razer? are they more durable?

Hard to say, I have a friend at a local lax store and when ever I got buy, I look at the heads that have been returned for warranty. Since the old throat design is not sold anymore, I can't say.

[Longpole5435]

warrior does provide a 1-year warranty on all their heads, though.
Which is more than you can say about Brine, which has a 6 month warranty.

Lacrosse equipment breaks. I've broken moer STX heads than any other variety by far, yet my Helix is going strong after a full season. Breaking a head on the throat isn't exactly the most common place to break a head.

[D4LIFE]

pics of broken evo pro from an earlier thread

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h...icture001-1.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h.../Picture002.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h.../Picture003.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h.../Picture004.jpg

all warrior heads are weak they make em cheap and jack up the price compare any warrior head to an stx head or brine head and you will noticed a difference in thinkness

idk about that, the Helix is one of the most durable heads on market, its just only good with throwing far straight and durability.

[shakerlax222225]

i find all my warrior head break just above the throat, on the 2nd to last stringing hole

[CSlax06]

Well, the only thing that keeps my buying Warrior heads is just the fact that their made in Canada.

[Thomson#1]

My friends revo pro split at the throat. The whole back part (where the scew hole is) detached from the rest of the head.

[brainddeadjock]

Brine changed their policy about a year ago. STX did the same thing about the same time. Since New Balance owns both, I suspect Warrior will the same thing, unless New Balance wants to make a two tiers product line. Warrior will be the premium brand with the longer warranty and higher prices and Brine will be the discount line. Kinda like Chevy and Cadillac.

As I said before, all brands have breakage issues, some heads are more durable and some are less durable. Every head breaks in one or two places particular place, like protons/X2s on the scoop, etc. But it seems to me, the entire line of Warrior heads seem to fail at the same place, the throat.

[roycegracie47]

The throat has mostly been an issue mostly for first generation heads each time a new line comes out, requiring the the second generation to fix that problem. It was a noticeable problem when the evos and revos first came out (Warrior at the time was still using a throat that was similar to the STX "I" design). The redesigned thraot for the second generation revos and evos fixed that problem as well as sheared off some extra bulk from the head overall (at the cost of weaker sidewalls) but the throat design stuck until the pro series was introduced and the 2.0 series retired the design in favor of the pro series style elliptical throat. Likewise as it has been pointed out, the Pro series throat has also had its share of breakage issues, most notably with the release of the Razer Pro which had many reports of being broken at the throat, which was supposedly thickened for the 2nd generation releases.

But it's pretty much been an issue for the last decade for Warrior, but as has been pointed out, each company has their own problem areas with each line they design and some people just happen to have better or worse experiences with their own equipment.

[sidewinder19]

Well, the only thing that keeps my buying Warrior heads is just the fact that their made in Canada.

are you sure CS? my finalizer says made in china designed in USA, and has an american patent #


BTW- my finalizer cleanly snappewd through 3 sidewall holes and another section of sidewall was just obliterated.

[MACDADDY]

Well, the only thing that keeps my buying Warrior heads is just the fact that their made in Canada.
what does that have to do with anything?

would making the head so that they didnt "glue" pieces together fix the problems?

[ADKlax24]

My helix broke on the throat, cracked all the way from the screw hole down.

[dta06]

I've gone through 2 revos and a revo pro. They all warped to the same side and broke on the sidewall

[kevidinho]

what does that have to do with anything?

would making the head so that they didnt "glue" pieces together fix the problems?
I think he is saying that it isn't made in China.

[bigdale9]

idk about that, the Helix is one of the most durable heads on market, its just only good with throwing far straight and durability.
pictures don't lie

[LaxDuex]

Yea most of my friends Warrior heads snapped during practice at different times. When by E3 broke it looked like there was two layers of plastic. Thats why it lasted me so long.

[ET5057]

Razer Pro ; Second toss... Enough Said

[sammyduelist]

that would be a nice site.
Sir, sight sir. S-i-g-h-t.
Luckily I use the Bionic, no issues there.
I have noticed a good number of heads that crack from the center of the ball stop through the throat, mainly in the heads that have an opening on the front side of the throat. However, my evo pro seems pretty stiff at the throat, I'm more worried that my sidewalls are going to break.

[atmusfear]

Luckily I use the Bionic, no issues there.


Hate to break it to you, but Bionic's are notorious for snapping on the back of the throat.

http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?t=55394&highlight=bionic+throat