Perfect Pushup

[-HSKR-]

Does anyone know anything or may have used this product? A navy SEAL made it and it is a set of rotating handles that maximizes the muscle growth by rotating your hands and arms as you press down and uses most of the muscles in your upper body. If anyone knows anything about it, please post.

[checkster12]

Ya, a friend of mine's dad has it in his home gym, and Ive tried it. It actually works a lot more muscles than you would think, and you feel the work you are doing very quickly. I would try them, I think that if you continued to use the Perfect Pushup you would build some very solid muscles.

[the wister]

I've never heard of it and don't know what it is, but I'm guessing that whatever it is, you could probably do the same thing with dumbells.

[Wooks]

I've never heard of it and don't know what it is, but I'm guessing that whatever it is, you could probably do the same thing with dumbells.

Not really, but there probablly are easier ways of doing it. Dumbells can't really swivel.

[the wister]

Not really, but there probablly are easier ways of doing it. Dumbells can't really swivel.
I meant laying on a bench.

[LiquidMercury16]

I know what it is, the question is why would you buy it? You're not going to gain strength from doing pushups. You're not going to gain size from doing pushups. You need to overload your muscles. All you're going to get from pushups is higher lactic acid threshold and more muscular endurance. Stick with free weights. Lift big, eat big, get big.

[benjamming18]

I know what it is, the question is why would you buy it? You're not going to gain strength from doing pushups. You're not going to gain size from doing pushups. You need to overload your muscles. All you're going to get from pushups is higher lactic acid threshold and more muscular endurance. Stick with free weights. Lift big, eat big, get big.


You can get big with push ups, and whats wrong with a higher lactic acid threshold and muscular endurance? Maybe he is just supplementing his lifting with pushups.

[LiquidMercury16]

You are not going to get big doing pushups, you don't cause enough damage to your muscle to increase muscle size. The only thing pushups do as far as muscle is increase the amount of cross sections in the muscle. And there is nothing wrong with lactic acid threshold except for the fact that you don't need it in your chest for lacrosse. If you are lifting on top of this, pushups are counterproductive to increasing strength. When you lift you train for specificity and in cycles. Best to have a hypertrophy phase, a strength phase, and and a functional strength phase. Repeat the cycle. This will increase size, increase strength and than make that strength actually applicable to what you do. How is being able to do a bunch of pushups conducive to lacrosse? It's not. Who cares if you can push at someone and not get tired, get your strength up and push at them and knock them on their butt.

[Cburylax]

I have to completely disagree with you LM, lacrosse is a high intensity sport that requires a very high total body lactic acid threshold. Pushups do indeed play a part of any sound program and I'm surprise you would be so fast to discredit them. You said yourself you need a functional strength phase. I don't know a better exercise than a push up for just that.

I'm not certain I understand how push ups can be counterproductive to increasing strength. I think you need to be more specific here rather than making a blanket statement. Please explain in a new thread and we can play a little push up pong if you're down, it would probably help the other guys reading this forum.

As far as the topic, I think you could find better ways to spend your money. Even though shoulder rotation is there, regular push ups have worked just fine.

[LiquidMercury16]

They are counterproductive because when done in the high quantity (during a strength building phase or functional strength phase) they convert muscle fiber from type I to type IIb. This means more slow twitch fibers which are generally not needed as much in the sport. As far as lactic acid thresholds go that is more highly concentrated in the leg area as those are the muscles being used most often. As far as functional strength goes, kettleballs would be a lot better functional strength. You would be able to train your body to mimic shooting/passing and explosive power doing kettleball cleans and what not.

[Cburylax]

They are counterproductive because when done in the high quantity (during a strength building phase or functional strength phase) they convert muscle fiber from type I to type IIb.

I can't agree with this statement. I don't have any sources here except my experience so if you can find something to disprove what I'm about to say I will eat my words.

My experience says that if you are in a strength/power phase doing 3-6 reps with 90% of your 1 rep max for a total of 9-12 sets, adding 3 sets of 50 traditional push ups simply won't have any effect on muscle fiber composition. Its just a question of volume, there is more stimulus for power here.




As far as lactic acid thresholds go that is more highly concentrated in the leg area as those are the muscles being used most often.

I agree, however I don't lose sight of the fact that lactic acid effects the entire body and isn't centralized to the muscle that produced it. Your entire body will feel the effects via your blood circulation and since you do use your chest for anything that involves horizontal adduction at the shoulder, namely cradling, pumping your arms when you are running, etc, increasing the LA threshold in your chest is very important.


As far as functional strength goes, kettleballs would be a lot better functional strength. You would be able to train your body to mimic shooting/passing and explosive power doing kettleball cleans and what not.

Agreed. But kettle bells themselves don't make the movement functional, the tempo and exercise do. The kettlebell is just a weight.

We can continue this conversation here so as not to get off this threads topic:

http://www.lacrosseforums.com/showthread.php?p=1219792#post1219792