wide head discussion to end all

[sjp lax]

Okay...a bunch of people say that you can use a wide head on offense and string it right so there is no difference between a wide head and a narrow head. For instance, im debating between a proton and a p2 for my game head next year (I very slightly pinched the proton but it doesnt seem to make much of a difference). When I play with the p2 it seems to have more control and hold than the proton+. A lot of people say you can string you proton to play like a p2 (if so please share cause I cant get anything to work). But if this is true then why do nearly all STX sponsored attackmen use a p2? Like I said im debating between the proton and the p2 for attack and am undecided. Any thoughts on this wide vs narrow discussion?

[czechinthepipes]

Well what people mean is that if are a good stringer and can string an amazing pocket in a wide head that has tons of hold, there wont be that much of a difference between the wide head and the pinched head that isn't strung amazingly. Yes overall the narrow head is still harder to get the ball out but its so close that it probably wouldn't be noticeable. For your comment on "why STX sponsored attackmen don't use a proton" is because most of them cant string a good as AM17, gigo, kryptic, Orange and all the other great stringers on TLF. And also because they want more of an advantage, they want a great strung pocket and a narrow head so that they have a Huge advantage of not losing the ball.

[sjp lax]

okay...so im assuming the p2 has more overall control...therefore it is a more appropriate head for an offensive player

[BVlaxstar5]

You could always use like 6 diamond mesh instead of ten. Personally I think that bigger diamond mesh works good with wider heads if you are looking for hold

[czechinthepipes]

Edit: Czech, you know that Kryptic is an STX sponsored attackman, right?
Yes I do, the creator of the thread said the top attackmen and since Kryptic was only a freshman at Navy this past year, he hasn't been playing much and isnt the top person at Navy yet. (I am in no way trying to make Kryptic sound bad).
I never said all top players cant string, I said most.

[Laxmann019]

They mostly use pinched heads because they just like them better than wide heads(better controll, hard to get ball out of, etc.) By the way some Hopkins attackmen use the proton + as seen here
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1861/34

[sjp lax]

the ones that use the proton+...you think that they are pinched?

[laxobsessed]

6d mesh gives wide heads amazing hold.. i strung one up for one of our attackmen and he loves it and has now made it his game stick it offers increased amounts of hold and also makes the catching surface wider.

[OutlawLax085]

They mostly use pinched heads because they just like them better than wide heads(better controll, hard to get ball out of, etc.) By the way some Hopkins attackmen use the proton + as seen here
http://www.lax.com/bimages/1861/34

not to jack the thread but tht defenseman to the right deffintly doesnt have his mouthguard in.

[tomtom]

Im not trying to leave you hanging, but watch for any new threads I might make in the next week or so. Ive restrung my bionic with a wide channeled corner pocket, Im calling it the "python pocket" in honor of the nickname of the guy I first strung it for. it's got sick hold on an unpinched bionic, comparable to an e3 or evo pro I've also done it on. Once I get some time to get the pics up Ill make a thread I promise.

[slinkyspine]

Actually Kryptic plays mid.


Anyways, the reason top players use a pinched head, is because if you have an identical pocket in a proton + and a p2, the p2 will be better.

[brainddeadjock]

But if this is true then why do nearly all STX sponsored attackmen use a p2? Like I said im debating between the proton and the p2 for attack and am undecided. Any thoughts on this wide vs narrow discussion?

Simple, it cost the same to make a Proton and a P2. The P2 sell for $10 more, so the wholesale cost is $6 more. So if the most exposed STX sponsored players use a more profitable stick and get more people to buy it, then STX MAKES MORE MONEY.

Why do you think manufacturers sponsor team? Cheap advertising.

Brine sponsors Syracuse, Salisbury, and Duke, all winning programs.

STX sponsors Hopkins, Maryland, Navy, and Towson, all team in Maryland, and most have had a history of sucess.

Warrior sponsors Princeton.

Gait sponsors virgina.

Notice the programs that have won the D1 championship are all sponsored by a manufacturer. Coincidence?

[colaxer]

I don't know about mesh, but i put a chaneled custom in my wizard, and it has more hold with less whip than my razor

[kevidinho]

Yes I do, the creator of the thread said the top attackmen and since Kryptic was only a freshman at Navy this past year, he hasn't been playing much and isnt the top person at Navy yet. (I am in no way trying to make Kryptic sound bad).
I never said all top players cant string, I said most.
Yeah true..I was talking to a payer from UMASS at camp the other day and he told me he doesn't have the first clue how to string a pocket. I talked to Ben Rubeor a lot too and he can't string a channeled pocket. He didn't come right out and say it but he talked about how he had whoever owns Cal lax string him pockets before he started charging for them.

[MaKiMaKi13]

same thing with JHU atleast to my knowledge Kevin Boland used to string a large majority of the teams sticks

[kingdawgell]

Maybe because it's hard to string a nasty enough channel to make the head seem narrow? Maybe because the PP is lighter? Maybe because they like its ballstop better? Maybe it's because they like how it looks? Who knows. People often think that college players and the sickest SDs alive, but most use very basic pockets. Catching is so second-nature for them, why waste the time trying to string a really good pocket when you could just throw something in there and not notice much of a difference?

Edit: Czech, you know that Kryptic is an STX sponsored attackman, right?
oh. my. god.

that's the best post I have ever read. I bow down to you :worship: .

[preplax29]

I use a cyber and I strung it to have an amazing hold. I just did the normal topstring not and sidewall, but I used semi hard mesh, with 1 weaved straight nylon, 3 weaved straight hockey, and one U hockey weaved, and very little to no whip. There are a few other ways to get hold with out all the shooters, but thats my preference.

But yes, wider diamonds allow for more hold in wider heads, and obviously smaller diamonds with channels.

[kingdawgell]

for everyone who has posted in this thread about using lower diamond meshes, stringing 10 diamond a certain way, and giving the mesh a channel: you are retarded.

by putting that in a wide head, you might have as much control as a pinched head without that; but the main point is that you could just put that mesh in a pinched head and have an even better result...

[preplax29]

for everyone who has posted in this thread about using lower diamond meshes, stringing 10 diamond a certain way, and giving the mesh a channel: you are retarded.

by putting that in a wide head, you might have as much control as a pinched head without that; but the main point is that you could just put that mesh in a pinched head and have an even better result...

:read: This is about stringing, not buying or getting a pinched head.

I bet your that guy with a primer, who thinks he is unstopable. Try putting your same set up in something like a Proton+ or a Cyber and come onto the field and see if there is a difference. :thumbsup: