BRAWL----Peterborough VS. St. Regis

[Canadian Lax]

With 13 sec left in the 2nd a bench clearning brawl broke loose, and the GM of St. Regis went onto the floor and threw a water bottle on the lakers bench. It took 15 min to settle everything down. The game was called at that point.

I cant wait for the next time these two teams play eachother.

Heres some of it i found this on youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lbfs69qU-d8

Heres and article from Sportsnet:

Lacrosse brawl under investigation
June 13, 2007

PETERBOROUGH, Ont. (CP) -- A bench-clearing brawl that forced a Major Series Lacrosse game to be abandoned Tuesday night will undoubtedly lead to suspensions.

The Peterborough Lakers, defending Mann Cup senior champions of Canada, were leading the St. Regis Indians 10-5 with 13 seconds left in the second period in front of more than 2,000 spectators in the Memorial Centre when all hell broke loose.

It all started when two fights broke out on the floor. St. Regis player Daylin Logan left his bench to join in, prompting the Lakers' Kyle Laverty to leave the penalty box to even things up. Both benches then emptied and 15 minutes of mayhem ensued.

Kevin Smart, general manager of the Indians, stepped onto the floor at one point and threw a water bottle at the Lakers bench. He was restrained by coach Darris Kilgour.

Referees Paul Johnston and Shawn Mowry assessed every player a unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and a game misconduct, which left no players to finish the game.

Five of the St. Regis players use traditional wooden sticks, and Peterborough star Scott Evans, who had scored five goals in the game, was a target.

"I think they took a little offence to it, which I don't really understand," said Kilgour. "I know when I was growing up Peterborough was famous for the wood sticks and slashing and rough play.

"It seems when the tables are turned a little bit and they have the more talented team, they expect us to just let them do what they want. That's not what lacrosse is. If they want to beat us, they're going to earn it, and they were earning it. I don't really know how it came to the head that it did."

Lakers forward Mat Giles, who was involved in the original fight, said he and his teammates had taken enough.

"They were swinging their sticks hard," Giles told the Peterborough Examiner. "At one point, they took a couple of swipes at Scott Evans a couple of shifts in a row so we started giving it back to them.

"They didn't like it and started complaining about it. We sort of got in a scuffle during a stoppage and it started the whole thing."

Many of the players on the floor are on National Lacrosse League pro teams during the winter. Evans, goalie Pat O'Toole and John Grant, the NLL's most valuable player and scoring champion, are Lakers teammates who helped the Rochester Knighthawks win the 2007 pro title.

Kilgour coaches the NLL's Buffalo Bandits, while Lakers coach Jamie Batley is coach of the NLL's Chicago ShamRox.

The MSL game will be rescheduled. The result Tuesday won't figure in the standings because two full periods must be in the books before a game is official.

MLS head Jim Brady, OLA president John Doherty and vice-president Doug Luey, and OLA executive director Stan Cockerton will review what happened before deciding upon disciplinary action.

The next scheduled game between the Lakers and the Indians is July 3 at Akwesasne, Ont.

[steve-okneav-o]

very good, i like the detailed report

[OldPtboBoy]

I was at the game. St. Regis was down by five and not looking like they were capable of a comeback and started swinging more than shooting. The refs lost control of that game in the first period and from then on it was more a matter of when the fights were going to start rather than if. There were some good tilts but none of them ended up in major beatings on either side.

A very unprofessional St. Regis GM Kevin Smart threw three water bottles at the Lakers bench and later grabbed a wooden stick and walked out to center floor and called on the entire Peterborough Coaching Staff. Kilgour went out the first time to bring Smart back to the bench, he went out a second time to taunt the other coaches with Smart. Players then talked them off the floor.

I love a good brawl as much as the next fan, but it belongs with the players on the floor. St. Regis embarassed themselves with their staff's inability to control their team and themselves.

[Mr.Pockets19]

This is pretty much the same behavior that I witnessed in last season's playoffs when St.Regis was playing Brooklin. There's nothing wrong with the players having a good fight, but the coaches and managers getting into it by comming onto the floor, now that's just pathetic.

[lax_gal1910]

wow...youd never think that top NLL players and coaches would go as far as that...a one on one fight is fine, but that is too much

[livinglegend]

wow do i hope there is better footage out there of the fight than the video posted on youtube.

[OldPtboBoy]

I know one of the St. Regis Team staff had a camcorder recording the game from the bench. I'm sure it will turn up sooner or later.

[Canadian Lax]

^^^ i hope so i really want to see the whole thing

What do you guys think will happen the next tiem these two meet??

[#15Roadies]

"St. Regis embarassed themselves with their staff's inability to control their team and themselves." :laugh:

Whoa, it takes two to tango here bud so don't go giving the we're-so-innocent-Peterborough shpiel. If I remember correctly ALL the players got a 2 & 10 and the game was called in the second and will be re-played.

In fact, if you want to put it into context, was it not the Lakers special sponsor night? You'd think they would have shown a little more restraint given the circumstances, but it doesn't look like they did does it?

[laxgoalieking]

"They were swinging their sticks hard," Giles told the Peterborough Examiner. "At one point, they took a couple of swipes at Scott Evans a couple of shifts in a row so we started giving it back to them.

"They didn't like it and started complaining about it. We sort of got in a scuffle during a stoppage and it started the whole thing."

Looks to my like St.Regis cant take a spoonfull of their own medicine.

In the video half of peter borough still have all their gear on, If they are as much at fault would their whole bench have dropped the mits and lids? Ontop of that there sure were alot of black and silver gloves in the corner.

[CanuckLax]

It's no surprise to me to see that plug Daylin Logan is in the middle of this mess. He's never brought anything to the table other than being a goon. Many of you may remember the junior A fight with Evans when Evans was filling him and Logan picked him up and dropped Evans on his head. Logan you SUCK!!!!

[#15Roadies]

Right, there is a good way to solicit the truth - interview one your hometown players for the hometown newspaper. By gosh, Peterborough teams never, ever swing their sticks "hard" do they? :whyme:

This is what should give the BS it away - "...so we started giving it back to them..." So much for them "...controlling their team and themselves."

I mean where was the 'suck it up buttercup' from the Laker bench?

Both teams were equally at fault, both teams will likely get equal sanction, although I think Logan and Laverty are going to rest a little longer than most.

[laxgoalieking]

It's no surprise to me to see that plug Daylin Logan is in the middle of this mess. He's never brought anything to the table other than being a goon. Many of you may remember the junior A fight with Evans when Evans was filling him and Logan picked him up and dropped Evans on his head. Logan you SUCK!!!!
I completely agree, logan is a tool. A very big one at that, he shouldnt even be aloud to play after the evans fight. As for smart, read the threads about him on the awkwasasne fan forum.

[OldPtboBoy]

"Whoa, it takes two to tango here bud so don't go giving the we're - so - innocent - Peterborough shpiel. If I remember correctly ALL the players got a 2 & 10 and the game was called in the second and will be re-played."

And I believe I said that it should be handled by the players on the floor. The embarassment stems from the fact that the Peterborough Coaching Staff never left their bench, never heaved water bottles across the floor, never grabbed sticks and attempted to start a fight with the St. Regis staff. Kilgour and Smart should have shown a little professionalism and stayed on the bench where they belong.

Peterborough is definately not innocent on all accounts in the brawl. In fact, Kyle Laverty climbed out of the penalty box over the glass to get into it. My intent was not to call the entire St. Regis Team unprofessional, just it's coach and GM.

As for the penalties....that was a last ditch effort by two refs that lost control of the game early in the first period. I think that they were too affraid to continue. Both teams were quoted as saying in the Peterborough Examiner that they thought the game should have continued.

The "Suck it up Buttercup" was remaining on their bench while a couple of nuts stood at center floor. Who were taken off the floor by their players. Defend the weak minded? Not here.



Just in case you wondered how the rest of the season is going... The Lakers handed the Six Nations Chiefs their papers last night 12 - 6 without incident. So much for the Lakers swinging the stick theory........

[#15Roadies]

"St. Regis embarrassed themselves with their staff's inability to control their team and themselves."

Sorry OldPtboBoy, I must have misunderstood your meaning due to the way the above sentence was written. The cool thing about text is that you don't have to rely on what you believe you said, you simply have to go back and re-read what you wrote.

For instance, when you wrote, "St. Regis embarrassed themselves..." and then qualified that with, "their staff" this could mean that you were indeed calling the "entire St. Regis Team" unprofessional. You could have been a little more specific to who was actually being embarrassing.

"...with their staff's inability to control their team..." I misunderstood again, but I don't get how this could possibly mean, "...it should be handled by the players on the floor." Unless you are referring to the St. Regis staff directing their players to brawl from the bench, like the Lakers staff.

I hardly think that by remaining on the bench during a bench clearing brawl would qualify as team control in any sport. In fact, if rumours are true, both coaches were suspended indefinitely by the OLA which would lead me to believe that BOTH coaches lost control of their teams in the eyes of the OLA.

"Suck it up buttercup" refers to the "bench" meaning the entire team, players & staff. One would think that to control one's team to avoid a bench clearing brawl and the cancellation of the game, the coach would use well known methods to difuse the situation, instead of inciting players or encouraging other players to incite the team.

However, I am interested in one thing though: what was Laverty's penalty that landed him in the penalty box just before the brawl?

[OldPtboBoy]

Penalty Summary

Period Team Player PIM PENALTY TYPE TIME
First Period St. Regis Tyler Comins 4 checking from behind 09:32
First Period Peterborough Daryl Walsh 5 fighting 7:21
First Period St. Regis Daylin Logan 5 fighting 17:21
First Period Peterborough Team 2 too many men 18:34
Second Period St. Regis Kyle Schmelze 2 slashing 01:32
Second Period Peterborough Scott Evans 2 slashing 02:01
Second Period Peterborough Doug Hill 2 highsticking 13:19
Second Period St. Regis Daylin Logan 2 slashing 14:26
Second Period St. Regis Tyler Comins 2 slashing 16:37
Second Period Peterborough Kyle Laverty 4 slashing 18:28
Second Period Peterborough Brad Self 4 slashing 18:20
Second Period St. Regis Andrew Lazore 4 slashing 18:20
Second Period Peterborough Team 5 Bench Clearing Brawl 19:47
Second Period St. Regis Team 5 Bench Clearing Brawl 19:47

......here's the penalty summary from ZSI.

"Unless you are referring to the St. Regis staff directing their players to brawl from the bench, like the Lakers staff."

You were at the game and saw the Peterborough coaching staff directing the players to brawl? I was and I must have missed that.

The really cool aspect of the written word is that people can take small pieces of different sentances, and put them together to make it appear as though you said something else.

"I hardly think that by remaining on the bench during a bench clearing brawl would qualify as team control in any sport."

Actually it is required by any coach that has a card with the OLA. No, on second thought, it would be much more professional to have gone onto the floor and broken up fights for the refs, given their team a good talking to and then fought the St. Regis Staff. (which would have been easy since they were out of water bottles and only had one wooden stick between them at center floor)

"In fact, if rumours are true, both coaches were suspended indefinitely by the OLA which would lead me to believe that BOTH coaches lost control of their teams in the eyes of the OLA."

Actually, The head coach of St. Regis and the Offensive Coach of Peterbrough. Those penalties were given as a blanket response to a game that the refs (not the OLA) lost control of at the pull. PJ Johnson and Shawn Mowry never had control of that game from the onset. Many games have been finished after fights, even multiple fights. The coaching staff didn't end the game, the OLA didn't end the game, the players didn't end the game, the refs ended the game.

The coaches are there to coach.
The players are there to play.
The refs are there to control the flow and nature of gameplay.
The OLA will investigate based on information given to them by the refs.

I'll have to agree to disagree with you on this one because I don't feel like breaking the forum rules in a discussion with a moderator.

[#15Roadies]

OldPtboBoy,

"I'll have to agree to disagree with you on this one because I don't feel like breaking the forum rules in a discussion with a moderator."

I don't think making a fair and valid point would break any forum rules, so go ahead and speak your mind.