shot speed

[joeylax55]

ive been doing a couple shooting contests at camps and tournys and stuff and i was wondering if u think shots are faster with d poles or short shafts

[MaKiMaKi13]

its faster with a long pole if you search you'll find out why

[N8dawg19]

shortie unless u have a good enough cannon to use all the leverage to ur advantage

[JzG0TSWEATYNiPs]

yea, shorties aer usually faster consistently, I can shoot like 85 with a longpole(1st yr playing) for 2 shots, then it goes to 75-76's. With a shorty(don't play a or m) I shoot like 70-76's consistently

[GoBucks]

The laws of leverage don't lie... the longer the shaft, the more leverage, the faster the shot. The only problem with poles is they weigh so much more than shorties. If you shoot with a pole that is the same weight as a shorty, then the shot should be faster.

[Laxattack05]

yeah. well kids who shoot with shorties, arent used to shooting with long pole's. and kids who shoot with long pole's arent used to shorties. so you cant really get an accurate shake. the long pole has more air resistance and drag, but the shortie doesnt have as much leverage.

[MaKiMaKi13]

Enough about leverage and getting technical cause we took highschool intro to physics.

A d pole does have more leverage, but consequently, the ball in the end of the stick exerts equal amplified leverage, meaning more inertia, which translates into more power needed to accelerate the shaft. So basically (very very very basic) all the extra power you gain is offset by the extra power it takes to start the movement of your stick and to accelerate it, and it is all even. Except that d poles also weigh 1.5 times more than a short stick, so that will actually slow your shot. That and if you think about the mechanics involved in the trajectory of the ball due to the larger arc that it travels during the shot, which is a whole nother argument of vectors and double integrals that im not even going to go into, messes up the comparison even more.

So, unless both shafts are accelerated at the same speed, which wouldn't be possible unless you were so strong the weight difference to you would be next to nothing, a short stick is faster to shoot with.

^^^ That's a pretty good explanation in layman's terms wister. :thumbsup:

I once read a thesis paper on a research project done by a grad student at Hopkins in the early 1980s. He's experiment was on the effects of differing stick lengths on shot velocity of a lax ball. JHU mlaxers participated as test subjects. His conclusions were pretty much what the wister stated. Shooting w/ a short stick was only slightly faster (my memory is a little foggy on this) but not fast enough to be statisticly significant.

so i guess i was somewhat right/wrong but whatever

[BigguhPlease25]

I shoot around 65 with as D stick, but it just it takes more of a windup than a short stick, therefore I could shoot a little faster with a short stick. But, whatever, it doesn't matter too much to me.

[LiquidMercury16]

That quote by RYU has flawed data in my opinion. Think about it, the testers were actual lacrosse players. Yes attackman are going to be able to shoot faster more than likely because they have developed the muscles necessary to shoot like that. The key would be to get a machine to apply the same amount of force for a shot to a short stick and a long pole and see what happens. Even if you give an attackman a dpole and tell him to shoot with it, it still would not be a maximal test for a dpole shooting because he is not used to playing with it and there would be slight differences in his shot.

[checklax]

Well I got clocked this weekend at the Getaway, and I hit 80 mph with my dpole a couple times.

[MACDADDY]

the best way to test this is to take the human factor out.
your'd need:
a machine that can hold a stick and throw with it
1 head (for the same consistency)
a d pole
a short stick

i think a better way to test it would be rather than actual speed, distance, because that shows how much more power is in it.
i could be wrong about this but i think its a better way of showing how much more power a d pole could have.

but...we already know the d pole will win.