Faceoff Critique Megathread

[WAC_Shoremen]

After seeing the Shot Critique Megathread, I thought that the faceoff men on here could critique eachother too. I'll start off with a video of me going forward. It's my favorite! Tell me if you need a better angle. Tell me if ANYTHING is wrong, and what I should do.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/th_c36ced17.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/?action=view&current=c36ced17.flv)

Here's a basic clamp.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/th_a054f060.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/?action=view&current=a054f060.flv)

I'm not sure what this one is called. I go over the ball and clamp down with the face up near the scoop.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/th_caede15b.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/?action=view&current=caede15b.flv)

Finally, there's the top.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/th_136c6d00.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/?action=view&current=136c6d00.flv)

[faceofflax15]

I think we should throw this in the Faceoff Megathread, but, give me a mn and Ill correct you.

[faceofflax15]

I have a really big problem with your stance. From the video, it looks, and I'm positive I'm right, your balance is poor, and your back is too arched. And then once you make your initial move, you like, sit in a lowered squat position, which once again, I'd just push you over. Your moves don't look bad, I prefer regular grip, or flipgrip. It looks like you line-up upfield sort of, which isn't good, your suppoused to line-up towards your man.
I really suggest putting your right foot futhur up then your left, just works better

On a good note: You seem to understand how to get the ball in and out of there fairly well.

[WAC_Shoremen]

I'm not sure what you mean by lining-up upfield. I took them at an angle so you could see the other side of me. Do you mean my feet, or my legs?

[the next 'one']

i know exactly what faceofflax is talking about when he says you have poor balance. here is what i suggest you do. when you go up to the faceoff, squat down on your toes, keeping all your weight on your legs in a VERY balanced position, then place your hands down, trying to keep little weight on them. i think this will help you alot.

and it looks like your right foot is too far to the right. like its in the the "cylinder". the last thing i thought looked a little different was that your hands were a little far apart. the way i have always been taught is to put your hands just far apart enough that you can put another hand in between them.

[mrguyname]

if you go to insidelacrosse tv on the site paul cantabene clearly explains the stance and technique you should use.

[MadCowDisease]

Good job. However, it seems like you might not be facing the other guy when you face off. Also, youre left hand was never on the ground. It also seems to me that youre leaning forward too much.
Just basically try to get a better stance and you'll be set! :thumbsup:

[faceofflax15]

i know exactly what faceofflax is talking about when he says you have poor balance. here is what i suggest you do. when you go up to the faceoff, squat down on your toes, keeping all your weight on your legs in a VERY balanced position, then place your hands down, trying to keep little weight on them. i think this will help you alot.

and it looks like your right foot is too far to the right. like its in the the "cylinder". the last thing i thought looked a little different was that your hands were a little far apart. the way i have always been taught is to put your hands just far apart enough that you can put another hand in between them.
I don't. Squatting doesn't offer a low center of gravity.
I personally, took Navy Faceoff mans stance and altered it. I take my right foot, move it into the neutral zone, so I can get extremly close, point my foot at the ball/opponent, then at a shoulder with apart distance, I drop my left foot about a step towards MY defense [more more than a foot, nothing like a sprinters stance], at which point I bend my knees a bit, and arch my back a bit.

Squating just doesn't work. My way keeps 0 weight on your hands.

[MACDADDY]

it looks like the refs gonna call you because your foot is in the neutral zone. also, people can easily push you over.

[scruffy221]

you dont make a step ever, and that is crucial.

[CtLaxin]

you use the motorcycle grip, i think you should change that becuase the motorcycle grip doesnt allow for you to pick up the ground ball

[faceofflax15]

you dont make a step ever, and that is crucial.
Depends on the move...


it looks like the refs gonna call you because your foot is in the neutral zone. also, people can easily push you over.
Most won't call it, if they do, you just slightly move your foot to the left, they are suppoused to go fast so most will not care.

[OwlsLax2]

I'll explain my stance to help you out a little bit. Andy Towers taught me this stance at a Facoff Clinic so I guarentee that it will help you out. I changed it up a little bit but it still is about the same.

1. Get to the left of the ball.
2. Put your left foot as close to the line as you can get it but angle it towards the far end of the field. It's kind of hard to explain but angle so if you were to draw a line from the end of your foot straight on, it would slice through the ball diagonally.
3. Put your right foot about 6 inches to to right of your left foot and a little bit lower.
4. Sit down. Not on the ground but sit down so your arent leaning to far forward and are relaxed.

I know that was really confusing but I should have either pictures or a video showing the stance soon.

[MadCowDisease]

you use the motorcycle grip, i think you should change that becuase the motorcycle grip doesnt allow for you to pick up the ground ball
You should be throwing the ball out far ahead of you enough so that you can change your hands' position to be able to get the groundball.
Atleast, this is what I was taught ;)

[faceofflax15]

You should be throwing the ball out far ahead of you enough so that you can change your hands' position to be able to get the groundball.
Atleast, this is what I was taught ;)
Or, you can do it Flip grip, so you can do it Geoff Snider style and flip it up in the air and catch it..

[MadCowDisease]

Or, you can do it Flip grip, so you can do it Geoff Snider style and flip it up in the air and catch it..
I can plunger it motogrip and do that... but yeah anyway its a matter of what things you like to do more... moto grip can do stuff regular cant and vice versa.

[faceofflax15]

I can plunger it motogrip and do that... but yeah anyway its a matter of what things you like to do more... moto grip can do stuff regular cant and vice versa.
Not really, theres actaully a very small difference in the two, I just stick with under-over because I like to do the Geoff plunger most.

[etowahlax21]

I will have a few vids up in like 5 minutes. Stay tuned...

Sorry for the crappy vids. I have an old camera. I will get a new one soon.

Clamp
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/th_Clamp.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/?action=view&current=Clamp.flv)

Punch
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/th_Punch.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/?action=view&current=Punch.flv)

Plunger
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/th_Plunger.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/?action=view&current=Plunger.flv)

[etowahlax21]

Geeze. Will anyone critique me???

[WAC_Shoremen]

I improved my stance (I hope), stepped, and had my left hand on the ground for this clamp.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/th_b192ba6b.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/?action=view&current=b192ba6b.flv)

etowahlax, I can't see much wrong with your stance. Step with your right leg and push forward with your back hand while keeping it low. I know that you didn't do anything after you clamped, but as you clamp you need to step, and push with your back hand when you get down or get in a 50/50. That's all I know.

EDIT: I just realized that my right arm was outside my leg. I'll fix that. I was focusing on my foot placement that time.

[CtLaxin]

the way i was taught by my coach is to have ur right feet like shoulder width apart with the right foot farther than the left, then your right elbow shuld be inside your right leg to allow for better movement then you bend your knees and lean foward and get set. On go you step with ur right foot so it is next to the head (prevents the other faceoff guy from raking) then step with ur left and push/punch ur left hand foward but the most important thing is to stay low and keep your back hand down because if you do this you have better odds of getting control and not letting the other person go under your stick. From there you are almost on top of the ball and have complete control to go anywhere you want, foward to teamate running up, back to safety, to ureself, anything. I did this all this past season and won most of my faceoffs (dont have the exact stats)


Ill post a video later if I can

[faceofflax15]

I improved my stance (I hope), stepped, and had my left hand on the ground for this clamp.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/th_b192ba6b.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/?action=view&current=b192ba6b.flv)

etowahlax, I can't see much wrong with your stance. Step with your right leg and push forward with your back hand while keeping it low. I know that you didn't do anything after you clamped, but as you clamp you need to step, and push with your back hand when you get down or get in a 50/50. That's all I know.

EDIT: I just realized that my right arm was outside my leg. I'll fix that. I was focusing on my foot placement that time.
Try not to expose you but end like that. By that I mean, lifting your but end off the ground so early, that makes it easier for the man to counter you. and it seems like your hands aren't cocked back. Thats really the only advantage you can from MOTO, so USE IT.

[faceofflax15]

I will have a few vids up in like 5 minutes. Stay tuned...

Sorry for the crappy vids. I have an old camera. I will get a new one soon.

Clamp
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/th_Clamp.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/?action=view&current=Clamp.flv)

Punch
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/th_Punch.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/?action=view&current=Punch.flv)

Plunger
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/th_Plunger.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/?action=view&current=Plunger.flv)
I'd personally try and put my elbow on top of or inside of my knee... And punch your left hand forward, it gives you a distinct advantage.

[WAC_Shoremen]

Try not to expose you but end like that. By that I mean, lifting your but end off the ground so early, that makes it easier for the man to counter you. and it seems like your hands aren't cocked back. Thats really the only advantage you can from MOTO, so USE IT.
I can't move as quickly or easily if my back hand stays on the ground. Is it ok to lift it slightly? That was a little drastic for a clamp. Is it ok to lift it like that if I go forward or plunger? It seems like the only way to effectively pinch the sidewall down is to lift the butt end up. Is my stance alright? I've gotten comfortable with putting my elbow inside my leg, unlike in the video. Am I low enough? Is my step ok? Do I still squat?

[CtLaxin]

Heres mine and the way i was taught, sorry if its bad quality, its from my cell (wow its terrible quality)

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[the next 'one']

Heres mine and the way i was taught, sorry if its bad quality, its from my cell (wow its terrible quality)


from the one faceoff you have on that vid...pretty much everything you did looked good to me. you had a good stance, quick clamp, stepped quickly...nice job.

[lslaxer]

Heres mine and the way i was taught, sorry if its bad quality, its from my cell (wow its terrible quality)

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You could definitely move your hand up closer to the head more.

[CtLaxin]

You could definitely move your hand up closer to the head more.

what would that do? like what does it do to help, make you faster?

[manup5183]

Here is my sig. move. I call it the "top pop" its like a jump but you come down on the ball causing it to make backwards spin and it gose straight into the stick. Many more to come of different moves/angles.
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And here is my clamp but mind you its 12:15 and it may look sloppy...
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[The Doors]

not gonna lie, many of you have terrible, terrible fundamentals......while all of your hands are quick, most of you don't allocate your weight properly, and make yourselves very susceptible to being run over. Work more on basics than fancy tricks would be my advice to most of you

[manup5183]

not gonna lie, many of you have terrible, terrible fundamentals......while all of your hands are quick, most of you don't allocate your weight properly, and make yourselves very susceptible to being run over. Work more on basics than fancy tricks would be my advice to most of you

quick hands and getting low means that a FO man can get the ball out before he is run over

[The Doors]

quick hands and getting low means that a FO man can get the ball out before he is run over

until you find someone just as fast with good fundamentals.....

[faceofflax15]

I can't move as quickly or easily if my back hand stays on the ground. Is it ok to lift it slightly? That was a little drastic for a clamp. Is it ok to lift it like that if I go forward or plunger? It seems like the only way to effectively pinch the sidewall down is to lift the butt end up. Is my stance alright? I've gotten comfortable with putting my elbow inside my leg, unlike in the video. Am I low enough? Is my step ok? Do I still squat?
Still look unbalanced, and looks like you'd squat in a brawl for the ball. you have to lift your butt end up to plunger, but you did it for all of your moves.
Heres mine and the way i was taught, sorry if its bad quality, its from my cell (wow its terrible quality)

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Dude, move your hand onto the plastic, put a piece a tape over the throat and top of your shaft, gives you way more power and control. You have WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much weight on your hands prior to the move. Your slowing yourself down and showing your move. It basically says, "here look, I'm doing a clamp"

Here is my sig. move. I call it the "top pop" its like a jump but you come down on the ball causing it to make backwards spin and it gose straight into the stick. Many more to come of different moves/angles.
<embed width="430" height="389" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" src="http://vid182.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid182.photobucket.com/albums/x30/Manup5183/TOPPOP.flv"></embed>


And here is my clamp but mind you its 12:15 and it may look sloppy...
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So far, out of the bunch, your leading the pack. You hands are placed correctly. But here we go, line up way way way way more towards your opponent, your lined up downfield, you line towards your opponent bro. Your hands are quick, but your stance is somthing I'm not happy with. your feet aren't lined up with your man. And they are pretty close together, I'd really suggest spreading them out a bit, and it looks like your kind of just a squatter as well.
until you find someone just as fast with good fundamentals.....Bingo, but you do have to remember, not all moves require a step into your man, or anything of the such. Like the plunger, the idea of the plunger is to get in and get out as fast as you can.

[manup5183]

Here is my punch.
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And lazer
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And a sloppy looking jump
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[manup5183]

Another view of top pop (I think im done with vids btw)
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[faceofflax15]

Manup, I have the same problems with yours as I did before, take your weight off your hands, and bend your knees a bit more. The only one I thought you did very well was your lazer.

[CtLaxin]

why is bad if im going to clamp anyway. And wouldnt it make you faster since you are using your weight?

[faceofflax15]

why is bad if im going to clamp anyway. And wouldnt it make you faster since you are using your weight?
No, it slows your hands down. And makes you 100 times easier to read.

[lancerlax3]

heres a clamp.....pretty bad quality, took it with my phone

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[faceofflax15]

heres a clamp.....pretty bad quality, took it with my phone

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Great form, with one exception, well maybe two. First, try to keep your but end lower so the ball isn't exposed. The higher the butt end, the more exposed. And maybe you can get your helmet/head down, so you can drive your helmet into their knee. Good though.


and one more, your left hand is cocked, which is good, and it probaly can't be noticed with gloves on, but it does help to make you a bit easier to read, unless you **** it for everything.

[chucktownattack]

How do you host these videos for free? I need some critique badly on my form and moves, because there is no one here to teach me if I am doing it right or wrong.

[WAC_Shoremen]

How do you host these videos for free? I need some critique badly on my form and moves, because there is no one here to teach me if I am doing it right or wrong.
Host them at Photobucket ("www.photobucket.com).

[chucktownattack]

Host them at Photobucket ("www.photobucket.com)


I tried that and it kept freezing up. I'll try again.


Keep in mind. I will have the worst form...EVER! :thumbsdow :chair:

[chucktownattack]

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[WAC_Shoremen]

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I think I improved this time. I've really worked on getting more balanced and comfortable.

To chucktownattack, there are a couple things you should remember. You need to get your right hand inside your knee. It'll help you move quicker. Second, when you do your move, step hard on the line with your right foot. It'll get you over the ball to get control of the faceoff, and could stop the ball if your opponent rakes it out along the line.

[chucktownattack]

To chucktownattack, there are a couple things you should remember. You need to get your right hand inside your knee. It'll help you move quicker. Second, when you do your move, step hard on the line with your right foot. It'll get you over the ball to get control of the faceoff, and could stop the ball if your opponent rakes it out along the line.

Wouldn't I kick my head and dislodge the ball if I miss though?

By the way: Every thing looks good on your F0 except try and get your butt end lower when you do the move and before you do it, a lot of refs would've told you to get your backhand down.

[WAC_Shoremen]

Wouldn't I kick my head and dislodge the ball if I miss though?
You step out diagonally. I usually put it somewhere between 6 and 8 inches away from the ball. It leaves some room for error, but still keeps be balanced and comfortable. Practice this too. I guarantee that if you do it enough times, you'll find it easy and you won't worry.

[GBaschski]

Heres mine and the way i was taught, sorry if its bad quality, its from my cell (wow its terrible quality)

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Dude your hands are way too far apart. You're sacrificing a lot of speed with that much distance between your hands.

[GBaschski]

I will have a few vids up in like 5 minutes. Stay tuned...

Sorry for the crappy vids. I have an old camera. I will get a new one soon.

Clamp
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/th_Clamp.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/?action=view&current=Clamp.flv)

Punch
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/th_Punch.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/?action=view&current=Punch.flv)

Plunger
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/th_Plunger.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/albums/aa80/etowahlax21/?action=view&current=Plunger.flv)


1. Get your elbows inside your knees.

2. Your stance is VERY high. An experienced face-off guy would be able to jam you without a problem. You need to get a lot lower to the ground. It gives you more power and helps keep you on your feet if someone decides to go straight for your body.

3. When you clamp you should push your left hand forward as you simultaneously clamp the ball. This helps wedge the head of your stick under your opponents, therefore keeping them from clamping the ball. This also gives you more power if you get tied up.

[CtLaxin]

Dude your hands are way too far apart. You're sacrificing a lot of speed with that much distance between your hands.

ok 1 person told me to put them farther apart one closer together. What do i do?

[GBaschski]

Your left hand is all the way at the end of your stick, how could they be any farther apart? Anyway, look at any D1 face-off guy. Their left hand is almost always on the middle of the shaft or somewhere around there. Trust me, it gives you more speed and control.

[shakerlax222225]

shoreman, keep your left hand down! and on your clamp you wont be able to push it directly forward because the other gys head is there, plunge it out if you are going forward.

[Brady]

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I think I improved this time. I've really worked on getting more balanced and comfortable.

I'm honestly not bashing you--just trying to be critical.

First you said that you worked on getting more balanced and comfortable but you REALLY look uncomfortable. It looks like your back and legs don't allow you to get close enough to the ball. And you still, in EVERY video, haven't gotten your left glove on the ground when you face. I'm almost positive that EVERY single faceoff is illegal because your left hand isn't on the ground.

You're doing the right thing, though. Keep working on it and keep using the critiques that you get.

[chucktownattack]

I think I improved some.

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PLEASE CRITIQUE ME!!!!11!!1!one

[faceofflax15]

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**** your hands back, so your ready to strike. Put your left arm inside your right knee or touching it, but towards the front. Then move your left foot futhur out, like spread them out more, your left knee is too bent. Bend more at the waist, and not all with your knee. Hold the shaft in your fingers, not hands. It wasn't as bad as you thought.
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I think I improved this time. I've really worked on getting more balanced and comfortable.

To chucktownattack, there are a couple things you should remember. You need to get your right hand inside your knee. It'll help you move quicker. Second, when you do your move, step hard on the line with your right foot. It'll get you over the ball to get control of the faceoff, and could stop the ball if your opponent rakes it out along the line.
I'm a lot happier with your stance. But maybe try to bend a TAD more at your buttox.

And hold the shaft in your fingers.

[chucktownattack]

And hold the shaft in your fingers.

I don't quite understand that. If I cocked my wrist back wouldn't it be very very readable. Also, I think I did much better in my new videos. C+C them, too.

[faceofflax15]

I don't quite understand that. If I cocked my wrist back wouldn't it be very very readable. Also, I think I did much better in my new videos. C+C them, too.
You co.k your wrists on every move. It makes every move faster.

And start working out broha. Your a faceoffman, you need a lot of muscle.

[WAC_Shoremen]

I'm a lot happier with your stance. But maybe try to bend a TAD more at your buttox.

And hold the shaft in your fingers.
Here's a picture of how I hold the stick focusing on my right hand.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/Customs001.jpg

And here's my left hand. At least I'm improving, right?
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/Customs002.jpg

[faceofflax15]

Here's a picture of how I hold the stick focusing on my right hand.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/Customs001.jpg

And here's my left hand. At least I'm improving, right?
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/Customs002.jpg
Yessir, you are improving. Personally, I don't stick my thumbs out that much, but that may just be me.




I'm currently trying to edit the end-of-the-year lax team highlight video, to get it to just my faceoffs, so I can upload it and show you guys. I think thats a lot more realistic than just a video with no opponent.

[WAC_Shoremen]

Personally, I don't stick my thumbs out that much, but that may just be me.
I do it because I use them to get more strength when I plunger, but I can't just use it for that one move because I'd get read like a book.

[faceofflax15]

Does anyone know how to basically, upload an entire DVD-Type deal to play it somewhere else, like youtube or webshots? Any help is appreciated.

[faceofflax15]

I do it because I use them to get more strength when I plunger, but I can't just use it for that one move because I'd get read like a book.
Also, I'm a take a picture of what I mean by cocking hands back, and do it always. Gives you more power.

[faceofflax15]

http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/6373/2960610860098672701S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2960610860098672701OcgqhR)

My top hand is generally a lot futhur up on the plastic, but I thought it was easier to show you what I mean by having them lower and in moto-grip, the way you prefer it.





RIT, I have recently found ONE advantage to Moto-over Flip style, it is a lot easier and quicker to have the left hand punch then it is in flip. Just thought I'd let you know.

[WAC_Shoremen]

Also, I'm a take a picture of what I mean by cocking hands back, and do it always. Gives you more power.
Is this alright?

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/Hand.jpg

EDIT: I see. Am I holding it in my fingers well enough?

[faceofflax15]

Fingers, Yes. Wrists, co.k it back some....

The . = s C...

[WAC_Shoremen]

You could always say "kawk." Could you try to get a picture of your hand from a side view so that I can see how kawked we're talking?

[faceofflax15]

You could always say "kawk." Could you try to get a picture of your hand from a side view so that I can see how kawked we're talking?
Nice, spelling. I'll try to get an angle that will show it.



http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/6934/2777304980098672701S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2777304980098672701dkINyv)

That or more...

[WAC_Shoremen]

I wasn't being serious. I should've thrown the sarcasm meter in there...

[jedimasterPIMP]

If I had a camera I would show you how I work, but I must say everyone is being so nice to each other here, I would be a mean guy haha.

[WAC_Shoremen]

I hope the rest of us aren't so nice at the X. I know you're pretty knowledgable about facing off. Could you post a video if possible, if at least to show me how it's done. Then we could get RIT on here and change the title to "Watch Everyone Else Fail When Compared To RIT and jedimasterPIMP."

[GBaschski]

I've switched between flip grip and moto a lot lately. I tend to prefer moto a bit more. It seems that my speed is about the same between the two, but the amount of power I can put in when trying to outmuscle an opponent seems to be much greater in moto grip. It's also a lot easier to drop my fingers and use them to brush the ball out behind me when I'm jamming.
The only advantage I think flip grip has over moto is that its a lot easier finger.

p.s. If anyone is dissuaded from moto because they think they can't pick up the ball that way...it takes like half a second to switch your right hand over to the normal position to pick up the ball. Just watch clips of Alex Smith, he seems to manage just fine.

[faceofflax15]

If I had a camera I would show you how I work, but I must say everyone is being so nice to each other here, I would be a mean guy haha.
No, youre about to buy a video camera, I want to see you, Rit and CBHs.

[WAC_Shoremen]

I'm sure RIT could find a game tape or two. Does anyone know where jedimasterPIMP plays?

[faceofflax15]

I'm sure RIT could find a game tape or two. Does anyone know where jedimasterPIMP plays?
He's heading to Bucknell.

[WAC_Shoremen]

So he MUST have a tape or two that he sent to the coaches there.

[jedimasterPIMP]

Nah man no tape here, I never sent them any tape, they just came and watched me play a lot.

[faceofflax15]

So Jedi, You live in NJ? I'll be out there later this summer for War on The Shore tourney. Hows about you come out there, and we'll have a little FO fun;-].
Ha.

[jedimasterPIMP]

I'm playin in the war at the shore man, so yeah maybe I'll see you

[faceofflax15]

I'm playin in the war at the shore man, so yeah maybe I'll see you
Nice, what team? I'll PM you. I know we aren't in same division.

[chucktownattack]

Both videos are here.
Please give me some Criticism. I want in depth stuff if possible. Feel free to hurt my feelings.

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[CtLaxin]

Both videos are here.
Please give me some Criticism. I want in depth stuff if possible. Feel free to hurt my feelings.

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well, to start off your in an illegal position, everything has to be inside the throat of your stick. Also you need to bend your legs more, you are standing too straight up and a trick to getting underneath other people is that you need to be low. Im not a fan of the moto gril but some are so i guess stick with that. Also when you clamp, keep your back hand down. By doing letting your hand up, you have no control of the ball, people can just go under that. Also I would try to make that right foot step quicker and also I like to step with my left also so I am over the ball. Hope that helps

[faceofflax15]

well, to start off your in an illegal position, everything has to be inside the throat of your stick. Also you need to bend your legs more, you are standing too straight up and a trick to getting underneath other people is that you need to be low. Im not a fan of the moto gril but some are so i guess stick with that. Also when you clamp, keep your back hand down. By doing letting your hand up, you have no control of the ball, people can just go under that. Also I would try to make that right foot step quicker and also I like to step with my left also so I am over the ball. Hope that helps

Ehh, the illegal position thing is a non factor to most refs, but some will call you, so I guess try to slide your self slightly more to the left.


My biggest problems with you: You don't look comftorable in your stance. You aren't too low. And your stance looks like you're about to take a crap.. It just doesn't look relaxed or comftorable. You're balance seems off. Keep tinkering with it. You'll get it. Like I'm sure I've said, start bulking up, I don't know how old you are, but you have to have some weight to throw around at the X during fights for the ball. Your left hand is pretty low most of the time, but it could be lower.


Stepping isn't always needed CTLaxin. I don't step on a few of my moves. I only step for the most part when I'm going backwards. Or, Know he is going to try and push it forward.

[shakerlax222225]

Both videos are here.
Please give me some Criticism. I want in depth stuff if possible. Feel free to hurt my feelings.

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you look uncomfortable it seems to me that you are very high off the ground. bend yhou knees and your arms and stay on the balls of your feet. you also dont need to slam your stick into the ground so hard, finesse is key for little guys like you because if you dont get it out soon you are gonna get pounded. you also seem to be reacting very slow after the whistle blows you clamp in the time it takes me to say "and" so when i watch your tape i hear whistle "and" then the clamping of your stick. you also dont have to step on every move, i usually only step on power clamps or if i know the opponent i am facing is a good plunger and if i am knocking it between my legs.

[chucktownattack]

you look uncomfortable it seems to me that you are very high off the ground. bend yhou knees and your arms and stay on the balls of your feet. you also dont need to slam your stick into the ground so hard, finesse is key for little guys like you because if you dont get it out soon you are gonna get pounded. you also seem to be reacting very slow after the whistle blows you clamp in the time it takes me to say "and" so when i watch your tape i hear whistle "and" then the clamping of your stick. you also dont have to step on every move, i usually only step on power clamps or if i know the opponent i am facing is a good plunger and if i am knocking it between my legs.

Yah, but it's honestly not that slow in real life. I am much faster than the kids on my team and stuff. How can I work on that?

[faceofflax15]

Yah, but it's honestly not that slow in real life. I am much faster than the kids on my team and stuff. How can I work on that?

Well, thats not really a good indicator since we don't know how good your team is..

[cbhslacrossemid]

i dont have the patience to load up a video. come watch me in a year at villanova

[faceofflax15]

I thought you committed to Bucknell like Jedi?

And Just load a vid.

[cbhslacrossemid]

I thought you committed to Bucknell like Jedi?

And Just load a vid.

i have game tape on my comp but i dont know how to load it up plus its 5 min. long so is there any websites that will let me load it up?

i felt villanova was a better fit location wise (im from memphis, so philly is easier to get to) and i like the coaching staff etc. Alot of factors made me want to switch.

[faceofflax15]

Thats cool.


Uh, I think webshots.com and photobucket.com each let you load videos that are 5 minutes long, but nothing longer..

[Valaxman17]

i have game tape on my comp but i dont know how to load it up plus its 5 min. long so is there any websites that will let me load it up?

i felt villanova was a better fit location wise (im from memphis, so philly is easier to get to) and i like the coaching staff etc. Alot of factors made me want to switch.

use youtube

[cbhslacrossemid]

use youtube

I've tried, it says the file is too big.

[Valaxman17]

can you seperate the file nto two different videos it should work on youtube cas ive seen ones up to 12 min.

[titans 43]

why do none of you step over your stick and angle it 45?
it helps alot

[faceofflax15]

Stepping isn't needed on every move.

Wait, i don't even understand what the hell you just said... Can you try to refrase that?

[titans 43]

k my coach taught me that when i clamp, i use regular grip btw i dunno if it makes a difference but my coach said that i should clamp nad as i clamp angle my stick 45 degrees down field and step over the shaft of my stick and the mid field line and thus the stick is now between my legs

[faceofflax15]

I think your coach is an idiot, thats just my opinion..
Why would you ever want to step over your stick, just dumb IMO.

[titans 43]

i dunno he played at u of denver so he cant be too dumb, but when i do it it helps dig my stick under there's sometimes, but i dunno are you not supposed to?

[faceofflax15]

The punching the stick is perfect, but stepping over your stick? Does no good in my eyes, because at that point, you can only pull the ball between your legs..

[titans 43]

ohhh ok so its' all good except that?

[faceofflax15]

Yes, punching your left hand is a great part and a needed part of the clamp.

[laxkid891]

I'll be uploading three vids in a few minutes for some C+C from some of you faceoff experts. I have recently started to get more and more into facing off, so I'm going to try take more faceoffs this year. I've been practicing for about a week and would like to see where I'm at and what I can improve on.

EDIT:
Heres the three vids:

Clamp:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/laxkid891/th_MOV02653.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/laxkid891/?action=view&current=MOV02653.flv)

Plunger Forward:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/laxkid891/th_MOV02651.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/laxkid891/?action=view&current=MOV02651.flv)

Plunger back through legs:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/laxkid891/th_MOV02652.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/laxkid891/?action=view&current=MOV02652.flv)

C+C very much appreciated

[chucktownattack]

I'll be uploading three vids in a few minutes for some C+C from some of you faceoff experts. I have recently started to get more and more into facing off, so I'm going to try take more faceoffs this year. I've been practicing for about a week and would like to see where I'm at and what I can improve on.

EDIT:
Heres the three vids:




C+C very much appreciated

Looks really good. I would just step forward with your right foot on clamps. D you have weight on your hands?

[laxkid891]

Looks really good. I would just step forward with your right foot on clamps. D you have weight on your hands?
Thanks I will try the step. I barely have any weight on my hands at all.

[Valaxman17]

looking at your stance it appears like you could be pushed over quite easily your feet are very close together try to spread them out wider a bit more than shoullder length and you appear to be mostly bending your knees so your back is straight this is just a guess from the look of your knees because i can't see your whole body but try to punch your left hand on clamps and step into your clamps and plungers

[laxkid891]

looking at your stance it appears like you could be pushed over quite easily your feet are very close together try to spread them out wider a bit more than shoullder length and you appear to be mostly bending your knees so your back is straight this is just a guess from the look of your knees because i can't see your whole body but try to punch your left hand on clamps and step into your clamps and plungers
yea faceofflax15 told me this last night on aim, in the clamp vid, i redid it with a wider stance and it is way more comfortable, i will get new vids hopefullly tonight with a better stance, stepping into the clamps and plungers and punching my left hand. after i was told all this i practiced it today when i was out shooting this morning, it makes a big difference, thanks for the help man

[WAC_Shoremen]

I've really worked on getting everything like stepping, cocking my hands, punching my left hand and my stance as second nature. I feel a lot more comfortable and a lot quicker. I've honed my best moves to be quicker and more natural.

Here's a clamp. I sortof plunger it to get some more power to get out of the jam. From there I just poop it out the back.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/th_Clamp3.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/?action=view&current=Clamp3.flv)

I like to use this way of topping to get the ball out quick if someones just wrecking me and not worrying about the ball.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/th_Top3.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/?action=view&current=Top3.flv)

Here's my lazer rake/reverse clamp. Whatever you like to call it.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/th_LazerRake3.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/?action=view&current=LazerRake3.flv)

I couldn't get a video of my plunger since I had to do it inside. I'll get one tomorrow when it's light out. That's my brand new CPX in the video. I lurve it.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/CPX.jpg

I didn't know that my camera recorded sound. Nice bonus there :thumbsup:

[faceofflax15]

Theres no link or anything man.. I like the helmet though.

[WAC_Shoremen]

Fixed it! I tried to just embed the video, but I forgot how.

[faceofflax15]

Alrite, you look more comftorable in your stance, so good job on that. But I'd like it if you bent at your knees more, and a slightly more at your waist, and keep your back a bit straighter. and possibly spread your legs out more, you just don't look like your center of balance is in a good spot, not low enough, just what it seems. When you do your jump, you stand up to fast.. in a jump, or jam like you were trying to do i guess, your going to want to be low.

[chucktownattack]

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Jeez, my arm looks hyper extended or something.

This is for form, don't comment on speed.

[CtLaxin]

chucktown- I still think some refs might get you for not being inside the throat. Ive been called 1 or 2 times for that

[chucktownattack]

chucktown- I still think some refs might get you for not being inside the throat. Ive been called 1 or 2 times for that

Anything else?

[faceofflax15]

You've got to punch your left hand forward...

And you still don't look comftorable in your stance..

And your leg positioning is fine... They won't call you. And if they do, fight them.

[chucktownattack]

You've got to punch your left hand forward...

And you still don't look comftorable in your stance..

And your leg positioning is fine... They won't call you. And if they do, fight them.

How far forward? I feel alot better in my stance.

[faceofflax15]

Far... forward. It's part of the move..

[nahij027]

also many faceoff critique videos from college coaches suggest this.
explode your leg out wards after the clamp so if he does win you have him cut off. also keeping your elbows on the inside of your base will keep you on balance and have maximum control.

[WAC_Shoremen]

So I've been working on making my hands faster and getting more comfortable. I've been working out my wrists (squeezing tennis balls, wrist curls, etc.) and working out a lot more in general. I feel real comfortable in my stance now, so give me some critique. I'm hoping to start as a faceoff man on my new club team this spring, so fingers crossed! I'll need some more help if I'll make it there. Anyway, here it is.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/th_Clamp4.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/?action=view&current=Clamp4.flv)

[spyopticgoggles]

So I've been working on making my hands faster and getting more comfortable. I've been working out my wrists (squeezing tennis balls, wrist curls, etc.) and working out a lot more in general. I feel real comfortable in my stance now, so give me some critique. I'm hoping to start as a faceoff man on my new club team this spring, so fingers crossed! I'll need some more help if I'll make it there. Anyway, here it is.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/th_Clamp4.jpg (http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l197/WAC_Shoremen/?action=view&current=Clamp4.flv)

thats pretty fast, but you might want to start lifting weights. most fogos are have forearms the size of UFC fighters.

[faceofflax15]

Getting better, just keep working on things said in the past..

[isk8apopwar]

ohhh ok so its' all good except that?

Hey man, I think you should listen to this faceofflax, he's sick I play with him every sunday for two hours, never seen anybody faster. and he know's exactly what he's talking about.

[WAC_Shoremen]

I'm only 14, so I'm starting slow to get ready for more intense HS lifting. I don't wanna stunt my growth! Could you recommend any exercises I could do to get my forearms stronger?

[spyopticgoggles]

well im no expert, but forearm curls and sqeezing tennis balls should help. for expert info google weight lifting schedules or something like that.

[faceofflax15]

Materials: String, Weights, Short dumbell bar.
Tie string to middle of dumbell bar. Leave a lot to hang.
Tie string to weights, do weights you feel comftorable lifting, you'll feel it.
Twise the bar all the way up untill there is no string left not wrapped around the bar, do the same thing going down.

It's qutie the forearm/wrist workout if you go 100% into it.

[JLancer24]

Materials: String, Weights, Short dumbell bar.
Tie string to middle of dumbell bar. Leave a lot to hang.
Tie string to weights, do weights you feel comftorable lifting, you'll feel it.
Twise the bar all the way up untill there is no string left not wrapped around the bar, do the same thing going down.

It's qutie the forearm/wrist workout if you go 100% into it.

Hockey players also do this. your arms should be at a 90 degree angle and at an even level with your shoulders.

[WAC_Shoremen]

So should it be one curl or should it be a bunch to wrap it and a bunch to unwrap it?

[faceofflax15]

Your arms should not be bent at all, straight in front of you.

[JLancer24]

Oh I heard they should be bent.

Well heres my video, I was extremely bored today and made this. I have only taken one faceoff when we were up like 26-5 and I lost. I play attack and d and sometimes goal so anyone feel free to critique me.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb224/JLancer24/th_MOV01857.jpg (http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb224/JLancer24/?action=view&current=MOV01857.flv)

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb224/JLancer24/th_MOV01859.jpg (http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb224/JLancer24/?action=view&current=MOV01859.flv)

By the way I know my reaction time sucks. I'm working on it.

And is this a good grip?
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb224/JLancer24/Photo23.jpg