CHRIS BENOIT DEAD!?!?!?

[hinghamDpole47]

I just found out that wwe wresteler Chris benoit was found dead in his home today. Now i believe this is a completely true story not just part of a gimmick just like Mr. McMahon. By the way McMahon did come back and is not dead in this story line anymore. Is this true? Could the Rabid Wolverine really be dead? Any new information or any information at all would be appreciated. The cause of death has not been released.

RIP CHRIS BENOIT
:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :jawdrop: :jawdrop:

[roycegracie47]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070626/ap_on_re_us/wrestler_dead_1

According to this he's gone to the squared circle in the sky.

[Laxmann019]

Yeah he's dead. If they ruined their mr mcmahon storyline then he is really dead.

and there's roycegracie with the link :clap:

[lhslaxer22]

Chris Benoit, family found dead
Written: June 25, 2007STAMFORD, Conn., June 25, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment was informed today by authorities in Fayetteville County, Ga., that WWE Superstar Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and his son were found dead in their home. Authorities are investigating, but no other details are available at this time.

Instead of its announced programming for tonight on USA Network, WWE will air a three-hour tribute to Chris Benoit.

Chris was beloved among his fellow Superstars, and was a favorite among WWE fans for his unbelievable athleticism and wrestling ability. He always took great pride in his performance, and always showed respect for the business he loved, for his peers and towards his fans. This is a terrible tragedy and an unbearable loss.

WWE extends its sincere condolences and prayers to the Benoit family and loved ones in this time of tragedy.

Additional information on World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. can be found at wwe.com and corporate.wwe.com. For our global activities, go to www.wwe.com/worldwide.


Wow that sucks. I don't pay attention to wrestling as much as I used to but that's horrible. RIP Chris Benoit and his family.

[ccharp]

ya i am watching the tribute right now its so sad i wonder how they died

[lhslaxer22]

It must have been a murder because his wife and son were dead, too. Either that or the son died of an overdose, then his wife killed herself, then Chris followed. But a murder seems alot more likely to happen.

[laxkid891]

It seems as though it was a homocide.

[Bretmac]

someones out to get the wwe im teloling you that right now

[asian heat]

yeah he is, i was flipping through the channels and i saw that the WWE, or w/e their called now, was paying their respects to chris benoit by showing old clips of him in the past...i remember when i was all about the rabid wolverine, with his missing tooth, but i belive his death is real unlike mcmahon's, because they didn't pay "respects" to him...

...R.I.P Chris Benoit .....

[ghs/wylax]

Wow, I haven't watched WWF (they call it WWE now?) in about 7-8 years, but I do remember Chris Benoit. Sad story.

[spartanlax91]

Ouch. he was once my favorite.

[ccharp]

Wow, I haven't watched WWF (they call it WWE now?) in about 7-8 years, but I do remember Chris Benoit. Sad story.

haha ya they changed it cuase the world wildlife foundation (WWF) sued them or something... idk it new to me too

[Meade Lacrosse]

Its one thing if he died because of Wrestling, whether it be the injuries or the supplement's side effects, but him, his wife, and his little boy all died. Thats no way to leave.

[laxgthreeone]

the rabid wolvereine dead.. =(

[Lax101]

http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/ppv.php

This website will provide all updates of Benoit and the investigation.

Officials have told local papers that Benoit's family was not shot to death, but they don't know further.

Chris Benoit was one of my favorite wrestlers and one of the classiest men in the wrestling business. It really hurts to see him pass away.

[Warriorlacrosse]

That sucks. I'm really interested to see how this happpened... He used to be one of my favorites when I watched wrestling...
R.I.P. Chris Benoit

[swish7209]

It's a shame, he was my favorite wrestler of all time, i always played as him in the video games, he was so tough i know ill miss him. R.I.P. Chris Benoit

what a good way to use my 1,000th post :sad:

[EricL]

WTF dude! I was watching monday raw and this pops up. Looks like my monday night is ruined -_-

[faceofflax15]

When i watched WWE, Chris Benoit was one of my favorites. Tireless worker, never say Die attitude. Showed respect to all. Very sad.

[fitzy_nb_11]

ok he really is dead this isn't just a joke, here is a link to an article on sports illustrated apparently it was a double murder-suicide
.by the way i believe this is the reason he skipped out on the ppv the other night. All fingers are pointing towards a murder/suicide

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/25/wrestler.dead.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

[QnzLaxStatz]

so sad...rip chris benoit

[Bretmac]

i read an article on msn.com sawing that the police think he killed jis wife and son and then killed him sellf ill try to find the link


EDIT: here you go http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20070625%2fchris_benoit_07062 6&showbyline=True

[hinghamDpole47]

It has just been released that Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room. This is just terrible he was one of my favorites and he had so much to live for. I just can't understand why he killed himself and with such a strong bond with his family what caused him to kill his wife and child.

[iplaylax22]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/25/wrestler.dead.ap/index.html

[Riot]

I bet there's an awesome story behind this.

[hvlacrosse311]

he was using some pretty heavy roids and probaly had an episode. thats so sad what happened to his 7 year old son and wife

[HdGLaxWarrior]

I bet there's an awesome story behind this.

FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. (AP) -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley, authorities said Tuesday.

is that good enough for you riot?

[Riot]

he was using some pretty heavy roids and probaly had an episode. thats so sad what happened to his 7 year old son and wife Most likely.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12062320
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8855834
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/57/2/133
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12938869
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=3279830

or maybe he's just a jerk.

FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. (AP) -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley, authorities said Tuesday.

is that good enough for you riot?
There's probably a good story behind his actions.

[Stringer4Lax]

Most likely.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12062320
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8855834
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/57/2/133
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12938869
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=3279830

or maybe he's just a jerk.


There's probably a good story behind his actions. I hope they make into a movie.
Sorry about what i last wrote Riot i misunderstood what you were saying.

[HdGLaxWarrior]

Most likely.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12062320
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8855834
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/57/2/133
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12938869
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=3279830

or maybe he's just a jerk.


There's probably a good story behind his actions. I hope they make into a movie.

yes. a sick, twisted plot would be pretty good.

[Riot]

You have no soul do you. I can understand a story about his life but i cant understand one about how he mercilessly killed his wife and son after what appears to be roid rage What? I'm saying it wasn't roid rage that caused him to kill his family -- he's just a jerk. And I think what he did is horrible, have you ever seen Fargo? Terrible situation, great movie.

[faceofflax15]

What? I'm saying it wasn't roid rage that caused him to kill his family -- he's just a jerk. And I think what he did is horrible, have you ever seen Fargo? Terrible situation, great movie.
I use to live an hour from Fargo. They do not have that accent, at least I don't think so. But I've been told I have that accent from a few people, I've also been told I have the NYC accent [not Bronx, just the NYC accent].


But yeah, he wasn't a jerk.

[thepalehorse]

hey was the man, r.i.p the savage wolverine.

[Riot]

I use to live an hour from Fargo. They do not have that accent, at least I don't think so. But I've been told I have that accent from a few people, I've also been told I have the NYC accent [not Bronx, just the NYC accent].


But yeah, he wasn't a jerk. He murdered his family. We must have different definitions of the word jerk.

[cjm3113]

He killed his defenseless wife, and his seven year old son, yeah, he's a great guy.

[laxgthreeone]

FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. (AP) -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley, authorities said Tuesday.

is that good enough for you riot?


this is one of the saddest stories ive read =( r.i.p. chris benoit. he was an amazing wrestler. and a classy man at that thank God he's in heaven now.

[faceofflax15]

He killed his defenseless wife, and his seven year old son, yeah, he's a great guy.
He murdered his family. We must have different definitions of the word jerk.
Thats their first thought, but I really doubt thats what actually happened.


Notice how 99% of this thread is saying hes a good guy.

[cali feeder]

He murdered his family. We must have different definitions of the word jerk.

Seriously. You gotta be some kind of a-hole to do that.

[Riot]

Thats their first thought, but I really doubt thats what actually happened.


Notice how 99% of this thread is saying hes a good guy. see:
I bet there's an awesome story behind this.


I'm saying that people shouldn't chalk it up to 'roid rage -- it's more likely that he's just a jerk.

[Brandon303]

He smothered his son, killed his wife then hung himself. Police found a bottle of steroid pills open in the house. The news interveiwing a police officer said it was probably due to a roid rage (or steroid episode). Side effects of steroids are actually agression, depression, and other fun things like that.

I agree with Riot. It's sad what happened but I think it's worse that he had to take his family with him.

Don't use the juice!

[Riot]

He smothered his son, killed his wife then hung himself. Police found a bottle of steroid pills open in the house. The news interveiwing a police officer said it was probably due to a roid rage (or steroid episode). Side effects of steroids are actually agression, depression, and other fun things like that.

I agree with Riot. It's sad what happened but I think it's worse that he had to take his family with him.

Don't use the juice!
One of the most common misconceptions regarding the side effects of anabolic steroids is known as ‘roid rage’. There seems to be little or no evidence such a condition actually exists. Some early studies done have shown a slight correlation between manic symptoms and anabolic steroid use,[66] however more comprehensive and recent studies have brought into question their methodology and conclusions. The majority of recent studies done on "angry behavior" and anabolic steroid use show no psychological effect, implying that either "roid rage" does not exist or that anabolic steroids' effects on aggression are too small to be measured. Harvard researcher Harrison Pope, M.D. stated “With regard to the ‘roid rage’ issue, my first reaction as a scientist, obviously, is that ‘roid rage’ is a meaningless term that simply arose in popular parlance”. Many scientists and medical professionals have concluded anabolic steroids have no real effect on increased aggressive behavior.[67][56][68][69][70]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12062320
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8855834
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/57/2/133
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12938869
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=3279830

Defend your statement.

[laxgthreeone]

anybody else think its interesting he had 2 bibles next to his son and wife were wen they died?

[MidwestLAx101]

yeh he seemed to be a great guy on tv and wwe but come on he killed his wife and kid hes a jerk

[iplaylax22]

yeh he seemed to be a great guy on tv and wwe but come on he killed his wife and kid hes a jerk

yeah thats one thing that really makes me mad you dont harm women or children PERIOD

[jmk2910]

anybody else think its interesting he had 2 bibles next to his son and wife were wen they died?
yea, i find it very interesting. Maybe there is a story behind this...

[hinghamDpole47]

someones out to get the wwe im teloling you that right now

You're right there is someone out to get the wwe. IT'S THE WWE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JaxLax30]

this is one of the saddest stories ive read =( r.i.p. chris benoit. he was an amazing wrestler. and a classy man at that thank God he's in heaven now.

Not to sound mean or anything...but he murdered his wife and son...i don't think he's in heaven. :nono: :devil: :devil:

[steve-okneav-o]

thank God he's in heaven now.


since when do people who strangle there wife and children go to heaven?

[CSlax06]

Chris benoit a jerk Riot, hardly. Wrestlers, family, friends and fans regarded him as one the the most respectful and friendliest wrestlers in the league. He killed his family but I highly doubt he was sober. 'Roids will mess you up and obviously this is a great example.

And for you hoping for a great movie out of this, ask for it someplace else. Not in this thread.

[MidwestLAx101]

as a former wrestling fan chris benoit was a very good person it seemed and very freindly man but still he killed his wife and kids even if it was a roid rage still he killed them

[dan91891]

Win (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBt-CV6RR3c) .......

[LiquidMercury16]

Roids very rarely have led to overagression that they are trying to say in the media. Roid Rage is something the govt uses as a scape goat.

"A clear and direct establishment between Testosterone levels and aggression (in humans) has yet to be conclusively demonstrated. However, if you ask most people and even many psychologists and endocrinologists who haven’t done any direct research on the subject, they’ll likely tell you that Testosterone is responsible for aggressive behavior in humans.

Now, what I’m not going to do is deny that androgens more than likely do indirectly affect behavior whether it be via monoamine metabolism or some other pathway. On the other hand, I definitely think that psychological and genetic predispositions play a much larger role. In other words, if you’re not prone to such behavior in the first place, administering exogenous Testosterone isn’t going to lead to some psychotic episode.

I’ve always known that the placebo effect could play a large role, but it wasn’t until a psychologist friend of mine shared some of her findings with me that I realized the full extent. In short, she'd shown that in experiments (blinded and placebo controlled) where mood or cognition are measured, people are always going to try and guess which group they were in. She essentially gave two placebos to two groups of subjects and measured cognitive function.

What was found? A group emerged that demonstrated that the inert compound used produced a statistically significant effect upon cognition. Why? Well, the subjects were informed prior to the study that one group would be taking a compound which could potentially increase cognitive function.

This demonstrates just how powerful suggestion and the placebo effect can be, especially when it comes to mood and cognition more so than something that can be looked at physically, although that too is susceptible in many cases.

Finally, it’s important to note that those with Testosterone levels below the normal range are actually more prone to mood disorders/depression. My final answer is that yes, certain anabolic steroids may contribute to a slight behavioral change, but is it enough to send a normal human into a state of rage? No. Can it be enough to affect someone who’s already mentally ill or highly predisposed to such behavior? Yes. (4-9)

Cy Williams
4. Anderson RA, Bancroft J, Wu FC. "The effects of exogenous testosterone on sexuality and mood of normal men." J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1992 Dec;75(6):1503-7.

5. Pope HG Jr, Kouri EM, Hudson JI. "Effects of supraphysiologic doses of testosterone on mood and aggression in normal men: a randomized controlled trial." Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2000 Feb;57(2):133-40; discussion 155-6.

6. O'Connor DB, Archer J, Hair WM, Wu FC. "Exogenous testosterone, aggression, and mood in eugonadal and hypogonadal men." Physiol Behav. 2002 Apr 1;75(4):557-66.

7. Doering CH, Brodie HK, Kraemer HC, Moos RH, Becker HB, Hamburg DA. Negative affect and plasma testosterone. Psychosom Med 1975; 37: 484—491.

8. Tricker R, et al. "The effects of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy eugonadal men—a clinical research center study." J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1996 Oct;81(10):3754-8.

9. Albert DJ, Walsh ML, Jonik RH. Aggression in humans: what is its biological foundation? Neurosci Biobehav Rev 1993; 17:405—425.

[LiquidMercury16]

Sorry for the long post but had to put this whole business of roid rage to bed. There have been so many studies that have shown that is more myth than anything and that people act the way they think they are supposed to act despite what they are taking i.e. placebo effect. I've known probably 100+ steroid users and none of them have ever had roid rage.

[roycegracie47]

The authorities or any one else passing this off as roid rage or him just being a jerk are rushing to judgement (which everyone in the lax community should know better than...) and there has to be more to this tragic event than just a jerk on roids. Considering his peers and neighbors have dubbed this as "we never suspected anything was wrong" series of events, it begs the issues of what personal demons Benoit and his family were going through (ie what was his mental state, was domestic abuse a previous problem etc.?) to culminate in this case of murder-suicide.

[LiquidMercury16]

maybe someone in WWE had a vendetta against him and set up the murder to look like a murder-suicide?

[sidewinder19]

This is, without a doubt, related to the fact that his wife filed for divorce in 2003(?) i believe.She said she feared for her and her sons life.

BTW- On CTV they had an interview from the coroner doing the autopsy and they said that what really happened is really weird. They made it seem like there was someething beyond what people are saying took place.

P.S.- I think it has something to do with Benoit's drug dealer, the guy who sold him his 'roids.

P.P.S- Benoit is a Canadian, whoooooooo

[roycegracie47]

This is, without a doubt, related to the fact that his wife filed for divorce in 2003(?) i believe.She said she feared for her and her sons life.

BTW- On CTV they had an interview from the coroner doing the autopsy and they said that what really happened is really weird. They made it seem like there was someething beyond what people are saying took place.

P.S.- I think it has something to do with Benoit's drug dealer, the guy who sold him his 'roids.

P.P.S- Benoit is a Canadian, whoooooooo
That second to last point (speculating the involvement of where he procured his steroids) reminds me of the death of Miss Elizabeth, who died from a drug overdose which many in the wrestling community blamed on Lex Luger even though her death was ruled as accidental (he was however arrested twice, including in suspicion of her death for several counts of felony drug charges).

[iplaylax22]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3320736&page=1

this says that his son may have died from a wrestling choke hold. it also says that the boy had a needle mark in his arm possibly linked to steroids because the kid wasn't big enough

[LiquidMercury16]

Could be prescribed GH...I've known a couple people who have taken GH when younger because they were so small. I wish I had taken it and maybe I would of hit 6 feet haha.

[Show'emTheNumba]

Unless you are true friends with Chris Benoit, you have absolutely no idea who he is and should go with what the news has been saying.

Murder-Suicide

[LiquidMercury16]

The news skews everything....how many stories have come out and later changed. Generally the news speculates just as much as anyone on the forums.

[faceofflax15]

I refuse to believe that this was a murder-suicide by C.Benoit, and I refuse to believe it was "roid rage." But in reality, something different completly.

[laxgoalieking]

he owed the french canadian mafia over 3.7 million in gambling debts.

[Lax101]

A few comments:

-Benoit's murders and suicide were deliberate actions, not acts of aggression. He killed his wife Friday, his son Saturday, then himself Monday. He also left bibles by them-deliberate acts spread over a course of 4 days-not a random burst of rage.

-Is it really a coincidence that this event is being immediately linked to steroid usage? The media and the government are out to condemn steroid use in any way possible. Benoit tested negative for steroids in a recent test and "roid raging" is uncharacteristic of what happened.

-Has anyone ruled out pain killers here? Despite the media trying to link the death of several other wrestlers to steroids, a much clearer correlation exists amongst pain killer addiction, early death, and psychotic behavior. Davey Smith, otherwise known as the British Bulldog, died directly as a result of a pain killer addiction, as did Brian Pillman. As the NFL Players Association undergoes hearings to get more support for retired players, MANY stories of retired players addicted to painkillers has been brought up. Benoit himself has undergone neck surgery, back surgery, and many other serious procedures-all requiring painkillers.

-How about head trauma-ANOTHER condition gaining attention with the NFL. Christopher Nowinski, a Harvard Graduate, author "Head Games", and colleague of Benoit's, has raised this issue as well-again, much more realistic than 'roid rage. Benoit's signature move was a Diving Headbutt off the top rope of the ring-something that easily causes head trauma.

-Moreover, there's past incidents revolving around Benoit's marital situation. There are too many red lights in other areas to simply narrow in on steroid use.

[Riot]

-Is it really a coincidence that this event is being immediately linked to steroid usage? The media and the government are out to condemn steroid use in any way possible. Benoit tested negative for steroids in a recent test and "roid raging" is uncharacteristic of what happened. Roid rage doesn't exist...

[Riot]

Chris benoit a jerk Riot, hardly. Wrestlers, family, friends and fans regarded him as one the the most respectful and friendliest wrestlers in the league. He killed his family but I highly doubt he was sober.

This is, without a doubt, related to the fact that his wife filed for divorce in 2003(?) i believe.She said she feared for her and her sons life.

I guess we just have different definitions of the word "jerk". I would consider somebody that gives his wife reason to believe he would kill both her and their son a jerk -- especially if he goes through with it. Or were you saying he wasn't a jerk based on his TV personality?

'Roids will mess you up and obviously this is a great example. Stay informed.

There is not a single study ever that proves that this even exists yet popular media speaks about it as if testosterone turns a person in a maniac. Whenever someone asks me about roid rage I like to mention that most HIV positive patients and cancer patients take copious amounts of steroids and HGH to keep them alive yet none of these people are "roid raging". If roid rage existed it would be well documented in those who the medications were originally designed for specifically those with health conditions. Those that act out while on cycle are jerks to begin with and use the steroids as a scapegoat.

And for you hoping for a great movie out of this, ask for it someplace else. Not in this thread. You're an assistant mod, where should I post about my hopes that Chris Benoit's death will be turned into a movie, assuming there's an interesting story behind it? I would have guessed in the thread discussing his death.

[CSlax06]

You're an assistant mod, where should I post about my hopes that Chris Benoit's death will be turned into a movie, assuming there's an interesting story behind it? I would have guessed in the thread discussing his death.

Indeed we are discussing his death. Not the idea of hoping for a movie with a plot based on the events of Benoit's death/murder.

[Riot]

Indeed we are discussing his death. Not the idea of hoping for a movie with a plot based on the events of Benoit's death/murder. I was discussing his death too, what's the problem?

P.S. you missed the rest of my post.

[Lax101]

Your level, style, and attitude of arguing has become tremendously ridiculous as you continue to attack certain bits of someone's argument and repeatedly digress from the central discussion, just to rouse debate. It's become annoying and it's extremely inappropriate in a somber discussion like Benoit's.

Chris benoit a jerk Riot, hardly. Wrestlers, family, friends and fans regarded him as one the the most respectful and friendliest wrestlers in the league. He killed his family but I highly doubt he was sober.

This is, without a doubt, related to the fact that his wife filed for divorce in 2003(?) i believe.She said she feared for her and her sons life.

I guess we just have different definitions of the word "jerk". I would consider somebody that gives his wife reason to believe he would kill both her and their son a jerk -- especially if he goes through with it. Or were you saying he wasn't a jerk based on his TV personality?
Look at the bolded lines. Cslax06 was referring to Benoit's reputation outside of the wrestling ring, not inside it. Cslax06 did not bring up any storyline Benoit was involved in, the TV personality he assumed (which, by the way, was supposed to be ruthless and violent), and it's clear Cslax06 was referring to Benoit's character OUTSIDE his wrestling personality. You're misinterpreting his statement for the sake of throwing another unnecessary curveball into this discussion.

'Roids will mess you up and obviously this is a great example. Stay informed.

There is not a single study ever that proves that this even exists yet popular media speaks about it as if testosterone turns a person in a maniac. Whenever someone asks me about roid rage I like to mention that most HIV positive patients and cancer patients take copious amounts of steroids and HGH to keep them alive yet none of these people are "roid raging". If roid rage existed it would be well documented in those who the medications were originally designed for specifically those with health conditions. Those that act out while on cycle are jerks to begin with and use the steroids as a scapegoat.
Again, read the bolded lines. Ask any reputable physician in the world: side effects of increased steroid use (yes, increased used because the body itself creates steroids) include paranoia, depression and violent outbursts-all of which someone can have (and all people have, periodically), without becoming a maniac. The excerpt you gave accurately defends steroids' inability to make someone crazy, but ANY change in hormones (such as pregnancy, menstruation, puberty) can create emotional side effects.



And for you hoping for a great movie out of this, ask for it someplace else. Not in this thread. You're an assistant mod, where should I post about my hopes that Chris Benoit's death will be turned into a movie, assuming there's an interesting story behind it? I would have guessed in the thread discussing his death.
That's ridiculously inappropriate to bring up a movie for Benoit.

Here: you can't post that crap anywhere on TLF for a long time. Any mod will slap you with an Offensive Material warning. It's sadistic and cruel for someone to talk about a freaking movie already. That's cheap voyeurism at its best. Again, you are rousing up comments that you know will be controversial just to piss people off, and this is why you've gotten 20 warnings since you've joined TLF-not because we're out to get you, but because you're directly here with the intent to be sarcastic, to start petty arguments, and to try to make a mockery of any situation.

You know what? Even I'm going to get in trouble for posting this, but it's about time. I've seen you talk on AIM-you don't have even close to the level of sarcasm or attitude you show on the forums.

[Riot]

Allow me to clarify some points:

When I said it would be cool if a movie came out about this I wasn't trying to insult Benoit, I was trying to imply that there's probably an underlying story behind this. Something like Kurt Cobain's death.

When I said it was more likely that he was a jerk I wasn't trying to say he was a jerk, I was trying to say it's more likely he did what he did because he was a jerk, not because he took steroids. I then posted sources that didn't support "'roid rage".

Ask any reputable physician in the world: side effects of increased steroid use (yes, increased used because the body itself creates steroids) include paranoia, depression and violent outbursts-all of which someone can have (and all people have, periodically), without becoming a maniac.
I posted links to studies supporting that steroids don't increase aggression at all. Do you have any that show steroids can cause paranoia, depression, or violent outbursts?

Conclusion: Supraphysiological doses of testosterone, when administered to normal men in a controlled setting, do not increase angry behavior. These data do not exclude the possibility that still higher doses of multiple steroids might provoke angry behavior in men with preexisting psychopathology.

and from wikipedia:
One of the most common misconceptions regarding the side effects of anabolic steroids is known as ‘roid rage’. There seems to be little or no evidence such a condition actually exists. Some early studies done have shown a slight correlation between manic symptoms and anabolic steroid use,[66] however more comprehensive and recent studies have brought into question their methodology and conclusions. The majority of recent studies done on "angry behavior" and anabolic steroid use show no psychological effect, implying that either "roid rage" does not exist or that anabolic steroids' effects on aggression are often too small to be measured. Some studies however have shown a slight correlation of about 4% between marked hypomania and anabolic steroid use[67] where 50 individuals were studied, only about 4%(2) showed signs of marked hypomania. It has previously been theorized that some studies showing a correlation between angry behavior and steroid use are confounded by the fact that a high percentage of steroid users demonstrate cluster B personality disorders prior to administering steroids.[68] Harvard researcher Harrison Pope, M.D. stated “With regard to the ‘roid rage’ issue, my first reaction as a scientist, obviously, is that ‘roid rage’ is a meaningless term that simply arose in popular parlance”. Many case studies have concluded anabolic steroids have little or no real effect on increased aggressive behavior.[69][56][70][71]

edit: I don't know a lot about Benoit, but didn't his wife request a divorce because she feared for her and her sons life? That doesn't really seem respectful or friendly.

But I'm sorry if I come off as aggressive, in your face, or whatever. For the most part, it's not what I'm going for when I post.

[OutlawLax085]

he owed the french canadian mafia over 3.7 million in gambling debts.
he could have payed that easily. that isn't anyting.

[laxgoalieking]

he could have payed that easily. that isn't anyting.
ever met a french canadian?

[crazzyD]

he owed the french canadian mafia over 3.7 million in gambling debts.


is that canadian? If so he probably could have paid the $50 amercan easily. (joke, very bad but im bored)

[3rdPersonPlural]

he owed the french canadian mafia over 3.7 million in gambling debts.

This statement is based on verifiable records?

Down here in the states, our mafiosa are not required to keep records on gambling debts or whackings. Their drug action goes undocumented as well.

I'm thinking how very civilized of the Canadians to expect their mobsters to record and report their books.

[lax@wwu21]

He killed his wife on friday, watched the wrestling show on saturday with his kid and killed himself on sunday. Not a very compassionate thing to do...roids or not, this guy was not as nice as people claimed.

[faceofflax15]

He killed his wife on friday, watched the wrestling show on saturday with his kid and killed himself on sunday. Not a very compassionate thing to do...roids or not, this guy was not as nice as people claimed.
Or there's more to the story then we know now.

[lax@wwu21]

Or there's more to the story then we know now.

I listen to the Talk Radio shows and this is what they were discussing for like two hours and the police and detectives had come up with this timeline based on Benoits actions and other information.

[faceofflax15]

I listen to the Talk Radio shows and this is what they were discussing for like two hours and the police and detectives had come up with this timeline based on Benoits actions and other information.
And is the police and media always right? [Duke Rape].

Didn't think so...

[Warriorlacrosse]

Im just disgusted. This isnt meant to be a joke but just pointing it out. I dont think its sucks, for lack of a better word, that somebody who demanded the respect of others could do something so disrespectful...

[stinisonfire]

Riot -You know anyone can post anything on Wikipedia, right? That's why a TON of teachers / professors urge students not to use it as a source while writing papers or .. finding facts.

[EricL]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070628/ap_on_re_us/wrestler_dead

link to the article about the wikipedia incident.

"The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones" - Marc Antony


-edit I just read your post riot and I think you saying that steroids do not have any harmful psychological side effects is just plain blasphemy.

[ChiefsLacrosse1]

and THIS is why we should be the ones jumping to conclusions.

according to the link posted by EricL, Beniot's wikipedia page was altered, stating that his wife had been murder. However, this was changed a whole 13 hours before the dead body was actually found. This just goes to show you that there MUST be more a of story behind this than a man on "roid rage" (as some of you put it) went off and murdered his family. Although the death of his son and himself is still up in the air, im not convinced it was Beniot who actually committed the crime.

[lax@wwu21]

And is the police and media always right? [Duke Rape].

Didn't think so...


The difference between Duke and this, is the evidence. We laxers can't always use the Duke case as a means to prove anything. An overzealous DA and a black girl, rich white kids, in a predominantly black area...sounds like a great mix if you ask me. I bought a Duke shirt after I heard their story. I won't be buying a Chris Benoit shirt...

3 dead bodies...is that not enough? :whyme:

Why isn't anybody sad over the wife and kid??? They are the ones that should be thought of, not some roided up monster of a man. :chair:

[Tool]

Blaming the killings on roids is just like blaming guns for virginia tech, the media is uneducated about the subject and uses the popular term "roid rage" to justify it. Why can't people just by crazy anymore?

[xxbenitezxx]

if it wasnt murder could it have been carbon monoxide? i mean it is a silent killer

[Brandon303]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12062320
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8855834
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/57/2/133
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12938869
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=3279830

Defend your statement.
Umm, yeah I was agreeing with you. And I got my information directly after watching the 6 o'clock news which included an interview with the cheif investigator on the case (or someone like that). I didn't just assume that he went nuts because of steroids. It's what I saw and heard from a hopefully reliable source.

[Brandon303]

I'd also like to add that you Americans are very annoying with your constant (and rarely funny or enjoyable) Canada jokes. There's at least one on this site for every time a Canadian offers their perpespecive/or facts/or something involving CDN $. Very mature.

[Tool]

if it wasnt murder could it have been carbon monoxide? i mean it is a silent killer


Which explains why he hung himself :idea:

[ByrdDpole]

Whether "roid rage" is real or not, that's not neither here nor there. People say that he was incapable of committing murders like this (bible by the bodies, killed on different days, etc.) think of this: who says that he didn't leave the bibles after he killed them? He most definitley could have killed his wife in some sort of rage, realized what he did, and left the bible as some sort of repent. Then, drowned his sorrows and killed his son. Realizing what he did AGAIN, left another bible then hung himself.

I'm not saying that's what happened, but "roid rage" if it's real, could definitley play a part in this.

[OldGoalie]

More likely than roid rage is depression/psychosis, which he supposedly used as a reason for taking a "sabbatical" last fall (at least depression was). The man was probably ill, people. It's tragically sad.

[lax21goalie2008]

Note to self:

Don't take steroids or you'll kill your whole family.

[roycegracie47]

Another interesting part of the story. I was watching my local ABC affiliate's news tonight and in between plugs of people camping out for the iPhone, an new wrinkle came out in the tragedy. Apparently well before the police started their investigation, several edits were made to Benoit's Wikipedia entry claiming he had killed his wife 14 hours before the bodies were found. The Article in Question (http://news.wjla.com/news/stories/0607/435293.html) mentions that an anonymous person with an IP addy matching that of the editor of the entry owned up to it. What makes it interesting: his IP was traced back to Stamford, CT, where the WWE has its HQ, though they deny any involvement.