Ga Lacrosse

[relaxified]

we messed up a lot vs Issaquah today and I think we could have won that.

Any suggestions for Lassiter and Alpharetta? I didn't see the game. I heard others say that Issaquah didn't play a zone. Also, I have heard varying opinions of their F/Os and goal keeping. Consensus seems to be that they are patient and well coached and that their middies participate well???

[dc8rlax]

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[TPRU]

WA team was solid all around but McIntosh seemed a bit off today as well. WA team had very good stick skills and fundamentals and play well within their system on both ends.

Go-to guy on WA team seemed to be #33 at midfield - quick and a good dodger who can shoot well on the run - he's a lefty and while he can go/shoot both ways he did clearly favor his strong hand. Shoots high from outside and then bounces everything in close (bounce shot that ends up wrapping top of cage, not a low shot at goalies feet - a lot of them shoot this way inside, makes goalie go down and ball bounce over his shoulder winding up high).

Whole team is not afraid to shoot from outside. Some 2-3-1 where ball carrier runs to adjacent man's spot who clears through, basically motion movement but they tend to run ball to next spot rather than pass it w/c was effective in creating some space and back door cuts for them. Very patient on offense and very good ball handlers - not a lot of unforced errors or forced feeds. Good amount of invert when they could get a short stick behind or on lower wing and go at him. They try to create long slides then feed the guy following the slide - they did it well. McIntosh played fairly loose adjacent which I think played a bit into their mode of moving ball quickly around perimeter to get D out of position with ball movement - playing tight on the adjacent man might slow them down a bit and keep them a bit out of sync.

Good face off guy who pushes ball forward more than pulling behind. Try to control him if you don't want to get in transition off face, if he wins, he wins clean with no hope of help from wings. Can be blocked and then let wings fight it out...

Defense was good but I think they can be exposed a bit as they seemed to be just OK (not great) man to man and then they packed it in on an above average zone about half the time w/c seemed to frustrate the offense. A patient offense will create opportunities and backside movement and sneaks can really be effective against them I think. I would look for dodging opportunities rather than work it around the perimeter all the time looking for cutters - dodge hard then pull it out if it is not there and look for backside and sneaks - they will give it to you if you are patient but still attack the cage.

Goalie was solid - off side high seemed to be open and he looked better low than high.

Good luck to GA teams....

[relaxified]

Thanks to dc8rlax and TPRU for your contributions,

TPRU, hopefully your thoughtful response will help GA LAX. Thanks both.

[watchthepole12]

NElaxer, i dont think its fair that yours is the only voice heard... my son is #37 for East Coweta. he's won like 69% of face-offs. 28 goals, 17 assists, 2 saves, and 420 GB's (including the five preseason intersquad scrimmages). Gleason, litton, mustowy for all american...yeah right!? watch out for KREUGELSTEIN!!!!

[blahblah1234]

That whole paragraph wasn't a generalization or anything.
Also watch out for a fellow by the name of Adli Kiliq. AA in training
im pretty sure its Adli Kiliç. and hes the tits. if you know what im salmonella.

[Attackalltheway]

im pretty sure its Adli Kiliç. and hes the tits. if you know what im salmonella.

excuse me sir sorry for forgetting whatever that c thing with the what looks like a gotee. and yes he is amazing

[Crew_Socks]

Who is going to continue playing lacrosse in College?
I know there is the Lax Power list, but that does not include everyone...
http://www.laxpower.com/recruits/recruits.php?action=viewRcd&db=recruits2008

[unclax1]

I'm not even sure that statement was written in english. I'm also sure that anyone who has watched Alpharetta would attest to the fact that there is more than just B happening there. Alpharetta, good luck on Friday, you may need it. Hey NElaxer, how's Alph's shutdown defender doing? You seem to have access to all the stats, if you coach, you should be ashamed. How's there "go to" attackman doing. How's their other F/O middie doing or does B do everything?
Hit the nail on the head relaxified. For the times I have seen AHS I actually think they are one of the more balanced teams. Their D is very strong and adjust well and 28 is a heck of a shut off guy. The Pearce kid is very solid and they do run two full lines - sometimes three despite what a previous poster said. Attack is solid and 20 has a heck of a shot. I feel bad for the kid whose dad is posting. He is a heck of a player on a very good team with sadly what looks like and embarassing dad. I cant hold that against the team though and I hope they do well Friday although I think they will have a tough time.

[Laxdad1]

I agree with laxshooter. I've seen McIn in 3 games, Lass,Harrison,and McCallie.
Against Lass you wanted it and Lass did not show up. At Harrison your offense was listless and did not move in the 2nd half and they held you to 3 goals. McCallie was just a better team and held you to 5. Issaquah's D was clearly superior to anything you did today. McIn. is definitely finding it more difficult when they go up against the better programs. Don't take Walton for granted. They have talent and are getting better. You guys are going to have to work really hard the rest of the year. Beating one top tier team does not a year make.

[Statman]

Anyone outstanding on WA to watch out for or did they move the ball very well on offense? What sets did they run out of? Left side attack #26 for WA was solid in half I saw. They had one sequence of 4 quick passes on turnover transition from mid-field that was pretty awesome...

[Mr Magoo]

decaturlax- by attacking the backside of a zone defense do you mean having a feeder at X who is looking for cutters at the crease and from up top?

[dc8rlax]

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[Mr Magoo]

Would any form of motion offense work against a zone?

[dc8rlax]

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[Statman]

Looks like Lovett@Westminster game moved to tonight @ 7:30pm. Hope the weather holds for all who are playing> Alpha-/Issaquah WA at Lassiter @3pm and McCallie@Lassiter, 5&7pm, JV and Varsity.

[unclax1]

Looks like Lovett@Westminster game moved to tonight @ 7:30pm. Hope the weather holds for all who are playing> Alpha-/Issaquah WA at Lassiter @3pm and McCallie@Lassiter, 5&7pm, JV and Varsity. Weather was good but not AHS offense. Issaquah 11 - AHS 7. Issaquah came out man to man and extended and AHS just didnt move the ball. I thought Alpharetta's D did well as they seemed to be adjusting a lot but, when they made stops half the time their clears were awful. Plus, AHS's offense was not patient and turned it over a lot. Alpharetta had to play way too much D and over time they scored as you can see AHS get tired. Issaquah stayed man to man until one point they went zone but AHS scored on it right away and looked they would make a run. Faceoffs seemed a slight edge to Issaquah which converted on some of their wins. Some AHS guys looked tired for sure. Issaquah is a very good team and played strong D which gave their offense plenty of time that, despite some very good defensive stands by Alpharetta wore them out in the end. I think AHS made a nice showing for GA lacrosse - not their best but pretty good. That was my view - any others? Lass has their work cut out for them tonight and tomorrow. Any thoughts on Lass games?

[unclax1]

Looks like Lovett@Westminster game moved to tonight @ 7:30pm. Hope the weather holds for all who are playing> Alpha-/Issaquah WA at Lassiter @3pm and McCallie@Lassiter, 5&7pm, JV and Varsity. off to see lovett/west hope someone provides an update on lass macllie - will see lass issaquah tomorrow

[Sack Attack]

Pace 17
Darlington 5

[Laxdad1]

I saw it a little different. I saw an Issaquah team that came ready to get it on. They knew Alpha was #1 in Ga. and they were not to be denied. Alpha was just not prepared to play with them. Issaquah finally ahead pulled by a couple of goals and frustration started to set in. A little wind was taken out of Alpha sails. They played just OK.

[unclax1]

I saw it a little different. I saw an Issaquah team that came ready to get it on. They knew Alpha was #1 in Ga. and they were not to be denied. Alpha was just not prepared to play with them. Issaquah finally ahead pulled by a couple of goals and frustration started to set in. A little wind was taken out of Alpha sails. They played just OK. fair enough - I agree, Issaquah came ready to play and based on the few times I have seen Alpharetta this season - they didn't look as ready as I have seen them in other games. They looked tired and not nearly as focused and physical as I expected them to be. I wont get to see them for a bit but, curious how they will respond. Moving on, it looks like the playoffs will be good as there are a lot of teams who can beat each other on any given night.

[psychoT]

westminster/lovett got moved to 12 tomorrow at lovett.

[naderlax23]

i wish we could have played them... sigh

[Laxdad1]

i wish we could have played them... sigh

I refrain from commenting about JV lacrosse because most everyone on this forum deems it unnoteworthy of comment, but yesterday I saw two fairly good teams play. Lass. after some adjustment to the lines 5 or so games ago is a much improved team. Their D and goalie play is good. They lack speed at the midfield, but all of these 9th and 10th graders have come up from Lassiter's Jr Tojan system and have been playing together for 4/5 yrs. Their attack line know how to play. McCallie's team looked a little tentative in the 1st half but adjusted well at halftime and made a game of it and may have won accept lacrosse is 4 not 5 quarters long. Lass won the 1st half, dominated especially with the f/o game. McCallie dominated the 2nd but
had a hard time finding the net.

Lass's varsity game was shortened by the weather but, McCallie was clearly the better team in all aspects. Lassiter had another one of their no show games. I'm beginning to think that most people believe Lass played great v. Lov but I'm at a point of changing my mind and feeling that Lov had a bad game. As always though, that's why you play the game. I'll take a V over Lovett any way I can get it.

[Laxdad1]

fair enough - I agree, Issaquah came ready to play and based on the few times I have seen Alpharetta this season - they didn't look as ready as I have seen them in other games. They looked tired and not nearly as focused and physical as I expected them to be. I wont get to see them for a bit but, curious how they will respond. Moving on, it looks like the playoffs will be good as there are a lot of teams who can beat each other on any given night.

I don't like to spread rumors but I will this day. I heard that Alpha did not practice much, if at all, this past week. Any comments.

[knights29]

I don't like to spread rumors but I will this day. I heard that Alpha did not practice much, if at all, this past week. Any comments.

I'm sure if it's true it may have affected the outcome; however, for a game that means little in terms of winning a state championship, in my mind, the break is good. It's a long season and taking a few days and pulling back lets a team that's been working hard recover - both mentally and physically. AHS heads to Nashville for a couple of games against weaker TN teams. Let them rest before they wind up the GA season and head into the playoffs.

[Laxdad1]

I'm sure if it's true it may have affected the outcome; however, for a game that means little in terms of winning a state championship, in my mind, the break is good. It's a long season and taking a few days and pulling back lets a team that's been working hard recover - both mentally and physically. AHS heads to Nashville for a couple of games against weaker TN teams. Let them rest before they wind up the GA season and head into the playoffs.

You sound just like the Westm fellow who made excuses for them loosing to McCallie. Why go to Tenn? Just call them up and say to them the same thing. If you drop one of those games against "weaker TN teams", please don't come back here and say it's "unimportant". No one likes to loose and your coaches and players were not happy. Team "pride" means alot and I bet you those "weaker" teams really want to win. Please, don't take this disrespectfully, Alpha has had a good season but that kind of attitude belongs somewhere else.

[knights29]

You sound just like the Westm fellow who made excuses for them loosing to McCallie. Why go to Tenn? Just call them up and say to them the same thing. If you drop one of those games against "weaker TN teams", please don't come back here and say it's "unimportant". No one likes to loose and your coaches and players were not happy. Team "pride" means alot and I bet you those "weaker" teams really want to win. Please, don't take this disrespectfully, Alpha has had a good season but that kind of attitude belongs somewhere else.

Actually, no affiliation to Westminster or GA lacrosse at all. I didn't question "why go to TN." If AHS is in fact a top three GA team, there is no chance they lose to either of the TN teams. Ravenwood is in complete rebuilding mode and University School is simply a weaker opponent that lacks the number of athletes required to be in the upper echelon of teams. Playing these two opponents gives AHS another opportunity to rest in games that are essentially for fun. Agreed team pride is important as is team maturity. I'm assuming AHS is a mature team that understands losing to a team from WA is disappointing but doesn't detract from their drive to the playoffs and championship. I don't think this "attitude" is a problem. Again, I'd say that giving time off is a good thing to energize a team that headed towards the post season.

[blahblah1234]

HIES 11, Walton 5

[relaxified]

You sound just like the Westm fellow who made excuses for them loosing to McCallie. Why go to Tenn? Just call them up and say to them the same thing. If you drop one of those games against "weaker TN teams", please don't come back here and say it's "unimportant". No one likes to loose and your coaches and players were not happy. Team "pride" means alot and I bet you those "weaker" teams really want to win. Please, don't take this disrespectfully, Alpha has had a good season but that kind of attitude belongs somewhere else.

Laxdad, I think Knights has it right. I'm sure they took Issaquah seriously but it seems that their focus is on the GA season. This was viewed as a way to have fun and get back into game shape towards the end of their spring break. How did they do up in Tennessee today? How did Lassiter do?

[TrojanLAXfan]

Issaquah 8 Lassiter 7 in OT
Georgia 12 Georgia Tech 1 at halftime

[dc8rlax]

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[justchillaxin88]

6-5 lovett wins... was a whole different west. team out there on sat. if they had started the game over, i think west could have taken it, but lovett did a good job holding them off when west gained momentum.

on another note, i know that a rivalry game is going to get heated, but a line needs to be drawn when people have a chance of getting hurt, and the refs need to reign in crazy and dangerous plays.

for example, west saved a shot, and was clearing, their goalie threw a long ball to a middie streaking down the middle of the field. one of the lov d poles started running towards him as soon as the ball was in the air. it was one of those plays where you can see the hit coming before it happens. The west middie jumped in the air to catch the ball cause it was a little high, and before he hit the ground, the lov pole nailed him high and in the back. it was so intentional it is not even funny. and no flag was thrown.

another time, lov was on a fast break, and a long pole middie for west was coming in and started to d him up. the lov middie threw the ball away, and two seconds later the west pole trucked the kid to the ground.

there were several other awful calls or no calls, anyone else at the game see the same stuff?

[naderlax23]

i think that one of the main reasons that we were able to beat lassiter is their lack of intensity. Whether it was standard 6 v 6, transition, or emo their guys just seemed as if they had no fire in them. it almost seems like griffin is wasting his time, when he was on the field, our whole team was focused on him. unfortunately for lassiter, that time was very short. i hope they can rekindle their competitive flame and finish out the season strong. it makes me happy to see that they got back up and gave that WA team a good run. keep it up!

[blahblah1234]

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[theking2]

haha i wouldn't go that far, lovett is a good team no matter the reffing situation.

[GAlacrosse]

I will say that the officiating in the Lovett Vs. Westminster was awful, but it was awful in both directions, and would go on for streaks. There was instance where a Lovett Defenseman was guarding a Westminster Attackman behind the goal, and the completely de-sticked him. The ref called a slash. The hit by the Lovett Defenseman on the middie during the long clear was questionable. I personally would have not made the call, because it was well timed, contact was made exactly when he landed and it was on his chest, the issue would have been that he lined it up way too much and was maybe unneccessary roughness.

In my opinion, the refs were so bad because they were the only ones who available at that point, after the game was already underway, and was rescheduled for the next day.

[justchillaxin88]

The hit by the Lovett Defenseman on the middie during the long clear was questionable. I personally would have not made the call, because it was well timed, contact was made exactly when he landed and it was on his chest,

I dont know if you had a different angle than i did, but it looked like he hit him square in the back, and it was right in front of where i was sitting.


I agree on the slash call, that was crap.

Also, on a funny note, (3rd quarter, if anyone was there) there was a lose ground ball, bodies were flying and the ref stopped play, the ball was still on the ground and said that lovett called for a time out....
wait, the ball was on the ground and he gets a time out???
and then, the lovett coach even said that he never called time out...
but the ref just said that the play is over, and that he cant change it....

hmmmmmmmmmmm, sound like he knows what he's doing...

[LaxFanatyx]

I can give the reffing GA only so much slack. I know the sport has exploded. In 1999 there were 7 High School Teams and 4 youth teams. Now there are 58 (Varsity & Club combined) and untold JV and youth teams.

10 years later the play is a lot better, the coaching is a lot better and the officiating is still mediocre. Expect as much out of officials as is expected out of players. The better coaches and programs can overcome it but the inexperienced ones just can't.

Lacrosse is never going to rise to national prominence in GA until the game is called the way it is supposed to be. If the officials call the games correctly the coaches & players will step up.

[JDM591]

Seth isn't playing this year. How can he be the best?

[I got man!]

mccallie 9 lassiter 2

did the game end early b/c of weather?

i know mccallie was spanking them np by the half 9-1. :chair: :nut: :imparied:

[Lax-A-Tive]

Although some hits may be legal, I can't see the point of seriously injuring another player by showing what a big man you are by lowering the boom on someone who is in such a vulnerable position. All teams do it and its time for coaches and referees to let players know it won't be tolerated. I would like for the refs to tell kids before the game that those kind of hits, legal or not, will be grounds for suspension. It's time for meathead lacrosse to move on. Until it does, look for more concussions and injuries of all sorts. Georgia lacrosse needs to come out of the dark ages. And by the way, Seth is the best player in Georgia.

[Beta26]

There is a large demand for refs in Georgia. By all means people are encouraged to step up and become a certified official and give back to the game in a positive way.

I am not an official, but I can tell you that whenever players/coaches/sidelines yell-at/entice a ref...you are basically asking them to call everything against you.

Refs are only human, and good/bad ones exist at every level of every sport in every state. The second you start paying more attention to the officials and not your job (as a player, coach, parent) you are essentially giving up to the team that IS concentrating on the task at hand.

[blahblah1234]

at the HIES Walton game a ref did not call an obvious slash to the helmet and of course the HI players and fans were telling the ref "call that ref" or "come on ref, make the calls" and he gave HI a penalty (change of possession) for ridiculing the ref. i wouldnt mind it if everyone got called for it, or if the HI fans/players were yelling overly insulting comments.

[ny2galax37]

There is a large demand for refs in Georgia. By all means people are encouraged to step up and become a certified official and give back to the game in a positive way.

I am not an official, but I can tell you that whenever players/coaches/sidelines yell-at/entice a ref...you are basically asking them to call everything against you.

Refs are only human, and good/bad ones exist at every level of every sport in every state. The second you start paying more attention to the officials and not your job (as a player, coach, parent) you are essentially giving up to the team that IS concentrating on the task at hand.

Amen to that!

[Beta26]

at the HIES Walton game a ref did not call an obvious slash to the helmet and of course the HI players and fans were telling the ref "call that ref" or "come on ref, make the calls" and he gave HI a penalty (change of possession) for ridiculing the ref. i wouldnt mind it if everyone got called for it, or if the HI fans/players were yelling overly insulting comments.

Committing a penalty (players/coaches yelling at the ref) is not acceptable just because the ref missed a (albeit obvious) flag. Had he not called it...that'd be 2 missed calls in a row.

Players should NEVER talk to a ref other than "yes sir" or "no sir". It's the coaches' jobs to keep their sideline under control...not the refs'.

[farside]

As I have said before...Get off the Refs

The sport has grown as we all know and many have posted. There are too many teams playing and not not enough experience officials to go around. Even experienced officials miss calls.

What happens when you drop a ball or miss a slide or over shoot the goal.

Thats a mistake yet your coaches and teammates should not scream at you.

This is the same thing. Officials miss calls and the officials are doing the best that they can. Maybe some of these over zealous parents and fans should sign up to become an official.

[dc8rlax]

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[LAX RUMMER 27]

number 9 for west. is a workhorse

[straightshooter]

Pope vs. Lassiter, Web cast LIVE 7:30PM, Tuesday, April 15.

If you can't make the game, click on this link or paste it to your browser to view from your computer:

http://scoreatl.playonsports.tv/?eventId=4530

The first ever Web cast of a Georgia lacrosse game.

[Crew_Socks]

Thats pretty cool, I hope Pope pulls that one out...

[LAX RUMMER 27]

its not that cool, and it doesnt matter because lovett is going to win state. alpharetta is way too inconsistent. Pope and Lassiter dont have what it takes either

[relaxified]

its not that cool, and it doesnt matter because lovett is going to win state. alpharetta is way too inconsistent. Pope and Lassiter dont have what it takes either

and tomorrow is Christmas ...

[LAX RUMMER 27]

and tomorrow is Christmas ...

tomorrow is not christmas

[Sack Attack]

Although some hits may be legal, I can't see the point of seriously injuring another player by showing what a big man you are by lowering the boom on someone who is in such a vulnerable position. All teams do it and its time for coaches and referees to let players know it won't be tolerated. I would like for the refs to tell kids before the game that those kind of hits, legal or not, will be grounds for suspension. It's time for meathead lacrosse to move on. Until it does, look for more concussions and injuries of all sorts. Georgia lacrosse needs to come out of the dark ages. And by the way, Seth is the best player in Georgia.

Seth doesn't play. And I don't think meathead lacrosse is laying a big hit that is questionable every once in a while. Meathead lacrosse is hitting big and without concern for where the ball is (i.e. crosscheck across the chest while going for a GB). Meathead lacrosse is just trying to bulldodge through people.

[Laxdad1]

If Lass shows up Tues there maybe an interesting game. I wasn't at the Lass/Issaq game Sat. but from what I've heard Lass. should have won. I'm a little upset that I may have missed one of Lass's best played games. I like Pope. They have a chance to go to the finals this year but, I'm not quite ready to completely turn my back on Lass. What do you guys think?

[LaxFanatyx]

As I have said before...Get off the Refs

The sport has grown as we all know and many have posted. There are too many teams playing and not not enough experience officials to go around. Even experienced officials miss calls.

What happens when you drop a ball or miss a slide or over shoot the goal.

Thats a mistake yet your coaches and teammates should not scream at you.

This is the same thing. Officials miss calls and the officials are doing the best that they can. Maybe some of these over zealous parents and fans should sign up to become an official.

Coaches expect bad calls. What drives most of us nuts is inconsistency. One team chops wood all game... no call. The other team checks a stick out of someone's hand and they get a slash. (I'm not talking about any game in particular). It makes it hard to tell you guys when to backoff.

There is one ref I will not name who I have seen more than once try to get a coach thrown out. It calls bordered on taunting and he warned the coach to not even talk to his players or he would get kicked out.


I am in no way approving of yelling at refs, defending psycho parents or grumbling just to grumble. I'm talking about one issue in how to raise the level of play in GA Lacrosse. As I said the better coaches and programs have the knowledge to teach the sport. It's the bottom half teams who may not have the support and need the refs to consistently and correctly call games.

Occasional mistakes are a part of being human. Mistakes should be a learning experience. At this point I don't know they are for officials. I know the refs are stretched. Maybe the Lacrosse Foundation or all the schools should chip in for a post season all day seminar or something for the refs to watch various game films (good ones and bad ones) and see the calls and discuss. Have some knowledgeable outsider run it (no local coaches or parents) so emotions and defensive egos won't be a part of it.

Also, I personally think all parents should be required to read and learn all the lacrosse rules & officials hand signals and pass a test before they are allowed to come to any games. [Only halfway joking].

Same should apply to all coaches and all players. [Not joking at all].

It's not about bashing the refs, the parents, the coaches or players. It's about identifying an issue and taking some action to make things better. First we have to admit there's a problem.

[ScooPs-33]

If Lass shows up Tues there maybe an interesting game. I wasn't at the Lass/Issaq game Sat. but from what I've heard Lass. should have won. I'm a little upset that I may have missed one of Lass's best played games. I like Pope. They have a chance to go to the finals this year but, I'm not quite ready to completely turn my back on Lass. What do you guys think?

Having played both teams this season, I would say that Pope has the upperhand. Pope is clearly has a better middies and defense, and thier offense is also strong. Lassiter winning this would be a big shock to me, but any team can win on any given day the way I see it.

[rhsgoalie35]

tomorrow is not christmas

And Lovett does not have a guaranteed (or easy at all, for that matter) path to winning the state championship. And for the record, I would personally say that losing to this year's Lassiter is a better example of inconsistency than either Alpharetta or Pope has shown this year.

[tigerlax22]

talk about inconsistency this year. whats the deal with lassiter and milton? neither can seem to pull off consistent wins like pope and alpharetta. westminster is forgivable cause its a young team

[farside]

Everyone knows what the issue is and the Officials have done something about it. They go to training classes that are manadory during the off season to become better. One of the issues is you usually have one new ref with one experienced ref and the new one RARELY makes a call so they leave everything to the experienced official.

It takes time so me patient.:nut:

[Lax-A-Tive]

I know Seth doesn't play, I still think he is the best player in Georgia. Same as the Cain kid from Lovett last year (the middie who didn't play cause of an injury). Meathead lacrosse is what it is. I've seen lots of legal hits that were meathead. When cheap shots, legal or not, are no longer part of the Georgia game, everyone will be better off. Rarely do you see those types of hits in college. College players have better things to do, like just play the game.

[galax2009]

I know Seth doesn't play, I still think he is the best player in Georgia. Same as the Cain kid from Lovett last year (the middie who didn't play cause of an injury). Meathead lacrosse is what it is. I've seen lots of legal hits that were meathead. When cheap shots, legal or not, are no longer part of the Georgia game, everyone will be better off. Rarely do you see those types of hits in college. College players have better things to do, like just play the game.

i agree with you neal

[luvitatLS]

tomorrow is not christmas


it's not christmas

[luvitatLS]

Although some hits may be legal, I can't see the point of seriously injuring another player by showing what a big man you are by lowering the boom on someone who is in such a vulnerable position. All teams do it and its time for coaches and referees to let players know it won't be tolerated. I would like for the refs to tell kids before the game that those kind of hits, legal or not, will be grounds for suspension. It's time for meathead lacrosse to move on. Until it does, look for more concussions and injuries of all sorts. Georgia lacrosse needs to come out of the dark ages. And by the way, Seth is the best player in Georgia.

HItting is part of the game

[luvitatLS]

lovett is beatable if teams play good transition and team defense. lovett does have some good shooters and some good offball players

[dc8rlax]

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[tigerlax22]

Northerners are more physical. They slap check more, harder, and no where near the stick. They will lay you down on a hospital pass. They use cross-check holds like crazy.
seriously, we just played 3 teams from up north and the refs dont call much, they just let you play. it results in some dirty dirty slap checks but all the teams we played were tall and skinny so they didnt use their bodies much. so i think northern lacrosse is more strategically physical while down south everyone hits just to truck a kid

[dc8rlax]

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[lhslacrosse11]

does anyone know a ga select team to play on other than the bagataway one?

[Sack Attack]

I could go along with that. I would refine it slightly. I think the northerners on offense can move the ball well enough to offset headhunters. Down here, 50% (or more) of the teams can't move the ball well enough to counteract the crappy teams that are being over aggressive.

I agree with this. In the college game and at good northern HS games, the ball moves so fast there aren't many places where someone can just get absolutely destroyed.

[Attackalltheway]

Nice to see no ones bashing Hies anymore

[blahblah1234]

Nice to see no ones bashing Hies anymore

HIES is awful. happy?

[rhslax25]

I don't think anyone was ever bashing HIES; I think people questioned their high ranking compared to at the time easy schedule. I think they've proven themselves in the past few weeks and silenced the doubters (myself included).

[blahblah1234]

I don't think anyone was ever bashing HIES; I think people questioned their high ranking compared to at the time easy schedule. I think they've proven themselves in the past few weeks and silenced the doubters (myself included).

no no no... they are AWFUL. ya hear?

[UDaMan]

Pope 10
Lassiter 8:agree:

[ScooPs-33]

Pope 10
Lassiter 8:agree:

So how was the game? was it Pope playing bad, or was Lassiter stepping it up a notch? Thats much closer then I would have expected.

[LAX RUMMER 27]

west. is playing north springs this week. it should be a good game, i hear north spring's program is on the rise

[jishlaxxer]

um... ok...?

so any opinions about HIES v Pace? should be a good game. there is a division at stake here people!

[LAX RUMMER 27]

pace is going to win HIES is overrated

[rhslax25]

You should just go ahead and hit the logout button...

[blahblah1234]

Pace's field is really nice. one of the best in the world.

[Attackalltheway]

pace is going to win HIES is overrated

Yea well your overrated. Seriously HIES may even be underrated. 2 loses to Pope and Lovett two of Georgias top teams. I don't blame them for the losses. Theres just a lot of good and bad Hype over HIES. And from what iv'e seen here, not too many people are big fans of HIES
and rhslax, are u peter's cousin?

[lhslacrosse11]

st. pius x plays at lakeside evans on thrusday...a lakeside win could draw a berth into state playoffs.. any thoughts?

[ATLredgoalie55]

So how was the game? was it Pope playing bad, or was Lassiter stepping it up a notch? Thats much closer then I would have expected.

it wasn't a matter of pope playing bad or lassiter playing good. it was a matter of two good teams playing eachother. both teams fought very hard, and pope came out on top. lassiter has had some tough losses this year, but they are still a match for anyone in the state.

[Sack Attack]

west. is playing north springs this week. it should be a good game, i hear north spring's program is on the rise

Unfortunately this is false... North Springs is just not ready to compete right now. We beat them 18-0, pulling starters in the middle of the 2nd quarter.

[blahblah1234]

st. pius x plays at lakeside evans on thrusday...a lakeside win could draw a berth into state playoffs.. any thoughts?

SPX all tha way.

[lhslacrosse11]

you think..i mean lakeside evans lost to decatur but it was because of a 3 min non releasable penalty..yeah an illegal stick. lakeside is gonna come out with alot energy i can tell you that

[Crew_Socks]

west. is playing north springs this week. it should be a good game, i hear north spring's program is on the rise

Yea that one should be a thriller...

[dc8rlax]

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[dc8rlax]

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[Beta26]

Unfortunately this is false... North Springs is just not ready to compete right now. We beat them 18-0, pulling starters in the middle of the 2nd quarter.

North Springs is an interesting situation in itself. A very good public school program in as late as 2004...with kids getting all state, going to play in college, etc etc. But when the coach left (due to stepping up for the St Francis' coach who unfortunately died, if I remember correctly)...the school basically crapped on the kids...didn't find a new coach and let a school coach run out all of the kids that played. After a slew of bad coaching situations...up until and including this year...that coach was there for the first 3 games (combined score for/against of 4-56)...before walking out on the team. An asst coach (that actually knows what he's doing) stepped up to the head coach and the progress since is noticeable...REGARDLESS OF COMPETITION.

http://www.laxpower.com/update08/binboy/XNSPGA.PHP

No, I am not a NS coach/player.

A lot of people/kids/parents complain about their situations...that are straight up cake compared to some other kids'...and it's kinda lame.

Kids with good coaches/programs should thank the people that stepped up and put it all together long before they got there. Since some programs are just now getting them together the first time around (Forsyths, Hillgroves, etc) or are rebuilding something that used to be great (North Springs).

[/soapbox]

[farside]

Great Win for Pope beating their cross town rival. Pope has really displayed great team chemistry after their game with Lovett. Good for them.

Should be great playoff games for everyone to see in the next few weeks.:rolling:

[UDaMan]

it wasn't a matter of pope playing bad or lassiter playing good. it was a matter of two good teams playing eachother. both teams fought very hard, and pope came out on top. lassiter has had some tough losses this year, but they are still a match for anyone in the state.

It has been well documented that Lassiter has had a somewhat schizophrenic season but came out to play against Pope - probably one of their best efforts of the season, albeit in a losing cause. Lassiter's trio of Lamie, Banik and Axe are as good as advertised. Pope had just enough offense to win and a defensive adjustment was key (Soto intially was guarding Lamie but moved to cover Banik early/mid 2nd qtr - effectively shut down Banik). Also, Pope goalie Flood put on quite a show. Link to article in Marietta Daily Journal:

http://www.mdjonline.com/content/index/showcontentitem/area/2/section/13/item/109187.html

[LaxMom1]

I have a daughter that plays womens lacrosse and i prefer watching those games opposed to my sons games...i suggest that mens lacrosse starts playing by the womens rules and take off all those pads and stop hitting each other... any thoughts?

[Statman]

I have a daughter that plays womens lacrosse and i prefer watching those games opposed to my sons games...i suggest that mens lacrosse starts playing by the womens rules and take off all those pads and stop hitting each other... any thoughts?Yes, start a new thread.

[farside]

Yes I agree with Statman start a new thread:monkey:

[Beta26]

I have a daughter that plays womens lacrosse and i prefer watching those games opposed to my sons games...i suggest that mens lacrosse starts playing by the womens rules and take off all those pads and stop hitting each other... any thoughts?

Hahaha LaxMom1 and LaxDad1 must fight a lot at the dinner table

[blahblah1234]

I have a daughter that plays womens lacrosse and i prefer watching those games opposed to my sons games...i suggest that mens lacrosse starts playing by the womens rules and take off all those pads and stop hitting each other... any thoughts?

hahahahahahahahah.

[Beta26]

does anyone know a ga select team to play on other than the bagataway one?

Here's what I know:

Team Georgia (www.bagatawaylax.com) - You mentioned this one.
Heroes (www.1v1lacrosse.com) - Rising Jr's I believe, with Wes.
Shockers - Solid team coached by Buczyk and Souza.
DoubleStixx (www.doublestixxlacrosse.com) - Plays in some good tournies up north
Trident (www.tridentlacrosse.com) - Lots of kids, lots of teams (jv and varsity)
Georgia Select - Small team coached by Walton's coach, plays in a couple games over the summer, seemed like a team that played for the fun of it.

Any else?

[GALAX63]

I have a daughter that plays womens lacrosse and i prefer watching those games opposed to my sons games...i suggest that mens lacrosse starts playing by the womens rules and take off all those pads and stop hitting each other... any thoughts?

Personal preference. While girls lacrosse is interesting, almost a totally different type of sport to mens lacrosse. Mens will never change to what womens lacrosse is, as it will cause a revolt from those who play. If anything, girls lacrosse may become more and more like mens.

[laxshooter18]

st. pius x plays at lakeside evans on thrusday...a lakeside win could draw a berth into state playoffs.. any thoughts?

SF plays milton on Sat... a SF win could draw a berth into state playoffs.. any thoughts?


Answer to both - not going to happen but SF has a better chance than LE.

[dc8rlax]

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[farside]

Beta you are a crack up:chuckle:

[lhslacrosse11]

the first greenbrier game didnt count towards region just to let you know... laxpower just put it but ghsa knows that the 1st game doesnt apply to region play.. get it straight buddy and also decatur scored 6 goals in that 3 min non releasable..yeah our man down was terrible but still if we werent man down the story would have been totally different and considering we had 3 other penalties to add on to the 3 min non release...and whats funny the players stick who had got called for the illegal stick has been previously checked in all the games before that and has been cleared for each one of them. plus when we got back to lakeside, coach checked the stick and it was legal by 1/8 of an inch.... also if you look everytime we got the ball we scored i mean considering we only had the ball for a small amount of time.

[relaxified]

st. pius x plays at lakeside evans on thrusday...a lakeside win could draw a berth into state playoffs.. any thoughts?

St Pius by 15+

[Laxdad1]

For everyone who was there last night, they witnessed a really good lacrosse game. I give credit to Lassiter for making Pope earn their victory. Pope was, I think, a little surprised, during the 1st half, at Lass. intensity. They were hustling after every ground ball, clearing well, and playing the transition game better. With all the talk about refereeing lately on this forum, I believe all would be disappointed with it on this night. I was a little surprised at how Soto was used during the first half. I've seen Pope 3 other times this year and #17 does not come out of the game much but, he did tonight. Lassiter went in to the half 6/4. Pope came out with determination in the 2nd half that was not to be denied. They were much more aggressive defensively and they really shut down Lass attack. D Banik was really frustrated in the 2nd half. He had at least 5 good shots, mostly from the same area, but Pope's goalie really had clear sight of them and shut him down. Lamie played well but was not as effective in the 2nd half as the 1st. Lassiter could not get the ball inside enough. They did have their chances. Pope used up alot of time in the 4th quarter and really put the game out of reach on a man up score with about 4 minutes left. I watched the game from field level on the visitors side. It was a tough game for both sides. It would be great if Pope could take the whole thing this year. At least the trophy would be with the EAST COBB boys.

[LaxMom1]

ohhhhhh my hubby is so smart. i love you LaxDad1

except pope will not win it all. they dont have enough heart. that is why i think lovett will win the championship. they have so much heart and find a way to win

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[tigerlax22]

ohhhhhh my hubby is so smart. i love you LaxDad1

except pope will not win it all. they dont have enough heart. that is why i think lovett will win the championship. they have so much heart and find a way to win

also, pope is way too cocky. a chest bump or high five after a good goal every now in then is one thing but when your players are running around waving their jersey numbers at the stands after every goal it kinda crosses the line. individualism has no place in winning state championships, the better team will win this year not the better players. look at what westminster did last year... soto may be a great defensemen but there are better teams out there. id go with alpharetta or lovett, even though i couldnt stand seeing alpharetta make it that far. they both want it pretty bad

[Beta26]

Milton/Lovett is tonight.

Any other good games this week?

[lhslacrosse11]

yeah but still it was 1-0 end of the first quarter and like you said our man down defense can be torn apart well i mean you just said man if we would have been even the whole time story could have been different....and what other attackman are you talking about that dropped the ball?

[GAlax3]

also, pope is way too cocky. a chest bump or high five after a good goal every now in then is one thing but when your players are running around waving their jersey numbers at the stands after every goal it kinda crosses the line. individualism has no place in winning state championships, the better team will win this year not the better players. look at what westminster did last year... soto may be a great defensemen but there are better teams out there. id go with alpharetta or lovett, even though i couldnt stand seeing alpharetta make it that far. they both want it pretty bad
There was no showboating involved. It was obviously a close game between two rivals (in which one team hadn't beat the other since 2003), and the goals were celebrated. There is a difference, and I see no harm in a little celebration, especially in a game as exciting as that one.

[laxshooter18]

lhslacrosse11,

Congrats on your 10 win season. Remember, it's against the 6th weakest schedule in the state. Getting another win against your remaining opponents this season is going to be very difficult. The only reason you won't loose by 15+ to Pius is because their coaches have some class.

[Lax-A-Tive]

Only when you and your team really sucks. Good players use their stick skills to create takeaways. You need to watch some good college teams, those guys have very little time or desire for cheap shots.

[Laxdad1]

Yes, start a new thread.

ditto--------------------:clap:

[relaxified]

ditto--------------------:clap:

It appears that he is already married to Lassiter ... or maybe East Cobb Lax.

[Tblax09]

Any predictions for Pace vs HIES tomorrow... HUGE region game for both of them, will be full of emotion and passion.... should be a great game to watch

[relaxified]

Any predictions for Pace vs HIES tomorrow... HUGE region game for both of them, will be full of emotion and passion.... should be a great game to watch

I'll give it to Hies by a close one. They get to lock up the playoff berth and let West and Pace fight it out later.

[gagalax18]

HIES will win if Lukens gets that sand out of his cooter

[lhslacrosse11]

alright yea dude yea your so right

[lax_royalty]

HIES, but it will be close. Rhodes and Lukens are pretty equal, but HIES definitely has a better defense. It will be a fun game to watch!

[unclaxer69]

banik is overrated

[gadawgs0820]

11-10 lovett over milton

[Attackalltheway]

HIES will win if Lukens gets that sand out of his cooter

ha ur a fag

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[Socrates]

Anybody see the Etowah vs. SF game last night?

I stayed after the girls Etowah vs. Wheeler game to watch some of the boys play. Talk about respecting the game, we could all learn some lessons from the boys coaching staff at Etowah. Up 7 a minute to go and they call a time out to try and put one more goal on the board. SF had basically conceded – they were running a zone to let Etowah kill the clock. I guess that wasn't good enough for these guys. Class act all the way Etowah…….

[Sack Attack]

ha ur a fag

No need for that man.

[blahblah1234]

No need for that man.

no there is a need for that. sand out of hit cooter? that is definitely a homosexual comment.

[GAlax3]

Did anyone see the McIntosh-Walton game? Walton won in overtime 8-7. I'd like to hear about that if anyone was that, seems like it was an exciting game.

[rhslax25]

RHS- 14
Northview- 6

[GAmc9]

thought lovett would beat milton more than that

[LAX RUMMER 27]

i dislike LaxDad1

[calc1454]

thought lovett would beat milton more than that

I did also, but you have to think that when ever a team is playing Lovett they will try harder than their hardest and will probably play their best game against them.

Suprised Walton won over McIntosh.

[galax2009]

i dislike LaxDad1

well i dislike you. your negativity brings this forum down, laxdad1 is one of the few knowledgable sources in this forum

[tigerlax22]

I did also, but you have to think that when ever a team is playing Lovett they will try harder than their hardest and will probably play their best game against them.

Suprised Walton won over McIntosh.

it was a damn good game. not trying to take away from lovetts win but milton had a bunch of injured players, there were a couple on the sidelines and i think 2 or 3 of the starting players didnt finish the game. 28 had his wrist taped up and was shakin it, two starting defensemen had to limp of the field in the 4th quarter. but it was pretty solid for both teams no matter what, pretty legit lacrosse tonight. 29 for lovett had some dirty shots, he was quick as hell and props to the rest of their offense too

[Laxdad1]

I've been telling you guys all year about Walton.

[LAXMAN4614]

Thing that sucks is either Walton or Pope will not not make the playoffs. Both are deserving to make it.

[tigerlax22]

Thing that sucks is either Walton or Pope will not not make the playoffs. Both are deserving to make it.
ha pope? how the hell would they not make playoffs, they are first in state

[whslax09]

what are some of the games to watch for the rest of the week?

[dc8rlax]

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[Beta26]

Any word on whether/not they're going to redo regions again next year?

It's like college football, pro sports, etc...some conference/divisions/regions are stronger/weaker than others and they'll never be perfect.

[jishlaxxer]

probably wont know until something does (or doesnt) happen

[UDaMan]

Pope plays at Walton on 4/25. The winner gets the #2 seed for area 8. It sucks for one of them. Since it's the last game of the season for both of them, it is basically a playoff game.

Pope loses and they are out. Regardless of laxpower standings, you have to win the actual games. It'll be a heartbreaker for one of those two teams. Walton has played people tough all year.


That assumes that Walton beats Wheeler.......which they should.

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[Laxdad1]

ya. to be clear, I'm not predicting doom for Pope. We played them and I was very impressed with the team. That said, I have not seen Walton, but they seem to play tough competition very well.

I saw them play Lov. They are young. They do have players who have good skills. They have beaten the teams they should and have played well against the better teams. They just don't quite have enough yet. Harrisson will probably win by 3 or more. It will be a better game than the one I will watch tonight. I hope they prove me wrong. I feel next year they will be a real threat to some of the borderline upper tier teams.

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[Sack Attack]

Just a reminder: Pace/HIES today at 5 at Pace.

[LaxFanatyx]

Pope plays at Walton on 4/25. The winner gets the #2 seed for area 8. It sucks for one of them. Since it's the last game of the season for both of them, it is basically a playoff game.

Pope loses and they are out. Regardless of laxpower standings, you have to win the actual games. It'll be a heartbreaker for one of those two teams. Walton has played people tough all year.

I'd really like to see a change to the method of the playoff next year.

Assuming that there are still 48 teams next year and a 16 team playoff, change to 6 regions of 8 teams each with 2 from each region going to playoff. That will leave 4 slots open for wildcard teams. Take the top 4 remaining teams based on their record of GA play. That would offset inequity of talent within regions. Seeding for playoffs should be based on record and not on a predetermined slots for each regions.

[dc8rlax]

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[relaxified]

I'd really like to see a change to the method of the playoff next year.

Assuming that there are still 48 teams next year and a 16 team playoff, change to 6 regions of 8 teams each with 2 from each region going to playoff. That will leave 4 slots open for wildcard teams. Take the top 4 remaining teams based on their record of GA play. That would offset inequity of talent within regions. Seeding for playoffs should be based on record and not on a predetermined slots for each regions.

Sorry, your system would probably create more inequities. Star's Mill and Lakeside - Evans would be shu -ins. Teams would be rewarded for scheduling weak teams. Granted, this year two teams will get shafted; the third place teams in Areas 3 and 8. However, as more schools join the fray the inequities inherent in this system will be minimized.

Also, two teams that should have made the playoffs won't this year. However, if they can't capture second in their Area, they have little or now chance of winning the championship.

[Sack Attack]

Pace 10
HIES 9

More info later.

[rhslax25]

Wow. I really didn't see that coming.

[rhsgoalie35]

Pace 10
HIES 9

More info later.

So does that mean that HIES is out or will they still make it over Westminster?

[Sack Attack]

So does that mean that HIES is out or will they still make it over Westminster?

As far as I understand, if Pace beats Westminster it'll be 1. Pace 2. HIES 3. Westminster (out of playoffs). If Pace loses to Westminster it'll be a three-way-tiebreaker for the two spots.

[Mr Magoo]

Hooch- 9
Kell- 7

[rhsgoalie35]

How exactly will the situation of the tie-breaker be settled?

[psychoT]

How exactly will the situation of the tie-breaker be settled?

i think it goes to point differential of region games.

then maybe record vs same opponents

[justchillaxin88]

woah, woah, woah, hold the phone!!!!!

10-9 PACE!!????:thinking:
i personally never saw that one coming....

that throws a very interesting twist into that region...

So west. lost to HIES by three i think,
HIES loses to pace by one,
and West and Pace play each other next thruday to 500 at pace...
west beat BT today 14-0, play northsprings tomorrow, so assuming that nothing crazy happens like riverwood beats Pace,

it looks like it comes down to the West vs Pace game.
If Pace wins, Pace gets the Number 1 seed and HIES gets number 2 while the defending champs sit at home.

HOWEVER
if west wins we will have a three way tie at the top, each team having one loss.
Pace beat HIES
West beats Pace
HIES beat West.

I think that 1st it comes down to how you do in region play.
Pace beat BT 11-7, but west beat them 14-0, and HIES beat them10-4
So aganist BT west has the edge by beating them by more than 10 goals

RIVERWOOD
pace wins 13-3
HIES wins 14-1
West wins 11-0
So riverwood is not a factor because all teams won by ten or more

North Springs
West plays them tomorrow
HIES is last game of season
Pace won 18-0

FYI Riverwood beat north spring 4-2
and BT won 14-2

West and HIES should both win by ten, but if they don't, this game could be bigger that winning or losing


So PAce wins, they and HIES go

Personally i think that the WEST VS PACE game will all come down to which west team shows up.

Will it be the one that gave lovett a run for their money on sat, winning on sat 4-2, or the one that let lovett get a 4-1 lead on fri night?

Will it be the team that dominated BT, i went to that game today and Wests D played like they were last year and Noonan played will, and their offence was sharp.

I think that it can go either way, but i think that the young west team is figuring things out and will actually win their region.



Thoughts?

[UDaMan]

So does that mean that HIES is out or will they still make it over Westminster?


If West wins out and HIES beats N Spgs then there would be a 3-way tie with West, HIES and Pace all having 4-1 records in the region. West will have L to HIES and W at Pace, HIES has already W at West and L at Pace, and Pace will have W at HIES and L at West - so the head to heads cancel out each other and you have to go to the next level tiebreaker, and I do not know what that is.

This goes back to an earlier post re: the 3rd place teams in Reg 3 and Reg 8 getting left out of playoffs.

[justchillaxin88]

so if west beats pace, they get the number one spot, because they had the better record aganist region opponest (assuming both West and HIES beat NOrth spring by ten)
and then HIES beat BT by 6, but pace only won by 4
so i think pace would get the two spot

[justchillaxin88]

anyone got info on how the game went???

[dc8rlax]

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[dc8rlax]

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[justchillaxin88]

West lost to lovett 6-5
HIES lost to lovett 12-7
Pace lost to lovett 12-5

ADVANTAGE-- WEST

Pace beat wesleyan 13-6
West beat wesleyan 15-2
HIES beat wesleyan 12-3

ADVANTAGE-- WEST

Those are the only two teams that all three played aganist

[Sack Attack]

Not sure it's goal differential against common opponents, justchill. I think it's record.

[justchillaxin88]

West beat BT today 14-0

[justchillaxin88]

"If three teams are
tied the criteria is, in order:
Record vs all common opponents-if still tied
Goal differential in region games. (10 goal max) if still tied
Goal differential vs all common opponents (10 goal max) if still tied
Coin flip."

Above is from dc8rlax, i was just going by what he said.

If anyone knows the actually rules that would be awesome

[dc8rlax]

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[Sack Attack]

So, now it's:

West +17 - NS and Pace
Pace +28 - West
HI +18 - NS

If Westminster beats Pace they're in. If Pace wins, they're in.

[dc8rlax]

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[LaxMom1]

i scouted the BT West. game and i was very impressed by BT. I believe that they will be state contenders as a cinderella team. They could really ruin a team on the bubble's season

[LaxN2008]

i scouted the BT West. game and i was very impressed by BT. I believe that they will be state contenders as a cinderella team. They could really ruin a team on the bubble's season

do you have any idea what you are talking about?

[UDaMan]

Upcoming games of interest:

4/19 - SPX @ Pope
4/19 - Harrison @ Lovett
4/19 - Lassiter @ Etowah
4/22 - Alpha @ Lovett
4/22 - Pope @ McIntosh


Anyone have info on Walton/Harrison tonight?

[farside]

Lax Mom please go away

[LaxMom1]

dont forget about the West. vs. North Springs game. i heard they play soon today while i was scouting the game at BT

[Beta26]

Harrison over Walton 10-9.

Harrison played very sloppy, needlessly forcing the ball and giving Walton lots of unsettled/fast-break situations. Harrison had a 3 minute EMO from a stick penalty and maybe took 2 poor shots and went scoreless. Walton had a chance at the end when their #23 switched to short stick and ISO-ed, Harrison slid almost immediately and the crease was fed...but not caught.

Walton's 23 (Ratliff) and 2 (Ross) played very well. Harrison's #5 and #14 had very good games. I would expect #5 to get all-american this year.

[laxshooter18]

lhslacrosse11,

Congrats on your 10 win season. Remember, it's against the 6th weakest schedule in the state. Getting another win against your remaining opponents this season is going to be very difficult. The only reason you won't loose by 15+ to Pius is because their coaches have some class.

lhslacrosse11,

I was at the Pius game tonight, but am interested in your impression. Sorry you took my earlier comments so harshly. You should win against Greenbriar and be happy with the success of your young team. Most of the top tier teams in this area have more mature programs - keep this in mind.

[lax_royalty]

Based on what everyone is saying, does that mean HIES gets #2 seed either way?

The game was an interesting one, as predicted. First quarter, HIES up 1-0 and then it became a game of cat and mouse. HIES would score, Pace would score until 4-3 at the half. Pace got up 8-5 after halftime, but HIES made a big comeback 9-9. Fourth quarter was the best one for HIES during the game-they played a little sloppy in the first half. Pace pulled out another goal with about a minute left, HIES got two penalties, Pace held the ball until the clock ran out.

Bennett had a great game. Lukens and Rhodes seemed pretty evenly matched. Leaf and Garber had good saves. Georgakakos played well as long stick middie and because Pace had a few penalties he had a lot of chances on EMO, and as always had some good checks. The second half was definitely a better game, but the loss for HIES is a tough one.

I guess we will see what happens with Pace and Westminster. Good luck to all teams this week!

Oh and Wesleyan over Darlington 14-7 today. They could end up with a winning season so congrats to them!

[etowahlaxdude]

does anyone know the score of the lassiter vs.sprayberry game tonight?

[TPRU]

A few of you are way off the mark with your playoff comments. It is about equity in the regions and it simply does not exist right now. There are some regions that are fairly weak and some with several playoff caliber teams - adjustments need to be made. Don't just look at W-L records, too many people are focused on win-loss records and that only tells you so much. Some teams seek out the best teams and play them without too much concern over wins and loses which I think builds a stronger program and others prefer to show a better W-L record against weaker teams and then usually get exposed when they face better teams (who might even have a "worse" record). Some of this is dictated by having to face your regional opponents but outside of that a lot of it is by choice. If an argument some have made is that the #3 in a region has no chance for a run in the playoffs and don't deserve to make it can you honestly tell me you think some of the #2 seeds who will most likely make it to the playoffs have a real chance at even competing in the first round? I would certainly take the #3 team in Areas 3 and 8 over many of the #2 seeds who will get in the playoffs. No disrespect to anyone, just look at the regions, it is just a reality of the current system. The system is GSHA based so there is no chance of any changes of significance in the structure so the best we can hope for equity between regions which can be evaluated and changed yearly. I would expect some changes for next year. I agree it will never be perfect but it should be much beter than it is....

[laxshooter18]

Any predictions on the E vs L game?

[LaxFanatyx]

There is a problem with that playoff change. Is it based on straight win-loss? What about strength of schedule? If so, who arbitrates the formulas? Laxpower? It would end up being a political process just like all-american voting.

I may be wrong, but I believe this system is in place for other GHSA sports. If so, it won't change.

As far as inequity of regions, I have 2 points. First, there will be inequity no matter what. It's part of life. Look at NFL, college bowls, NCAA basketball. Second, if Pope/Walton or Pace/HIES/Westm can't be 2nd best in their region, then what is the point of getting in the tourney? They can't even beat 2 teams in their region.

You'd still have to come out 1st or 2nd in your region based on straight win-loss and still have to play everyone in your own region. It would be 6 regions instead of 8.

Regions will never be equal to be sure. Since almost all lacrosse is currently played in greater Atlanta calling the regions "geographically" based is really a joke.

However, I concur..... GHSA will never change.

[dc8rlax]

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[relaxified]

Again, I agree that the present system presents some inequities, however I still think that if you can't take care of business in your own Area, then you have very little chance of playoff success.

I agree with dc8rlax that making the Areas equal would largely involve chasing last years results. Look at Area 4. A few years ago Chattahoochee was a power-house. Last year Northview played in the semi-finals.

Two years ago, how many people would have predicted the relative success of Etowah, Decatur, Alpharetta, and McIntosh? As late as last May, how many people would have predicted that Milton, West., and Lassiter would have combined for 23 losses with games left to play?

Another huge advantage of the present Area system is that there is a "loose attempt" to group teams by proximity. Travel is not a big deal for teams like West., Lass., etc that are centrally located. But think about McIntosh. How would you like to play on that team if, in the interest of equality, somebody decides that they should be in an area with Milton, Gainesville, Woodstock, and Kennesaw Mt?

Furthermore, what if lacrosse spreads to the Savannah Metro, Valdosta, Athens? I'd rather a few weaker teams from those areas make the playoffs, than spend all spring crisscrossing the state chasing last years standings.

[Lax-A-Tive]

Why can't the selections be set at or near the end of the year? If it works for the NCAA in basketball, I don't see why it can't work here. Last year's brackets were top heavy on one side and very light in the other. Also, I don't by the argument that you need to plan for field space well in advance of the games. Arrangements can be made at the participating schools to have a field available. The way it is set up now, the two best teams very often don't have the chance to meet in the final game. Also, I think it is a shame that good teams like Westminster, Pace, HIES or Walton may not make the tournament while other "second place in region" teams get in that couldn't beat any of the above 4 on their very best day. Although they have a difficult task, I think GHSA does a very, very poor job of evening out regions as well as setting playoff brackets. I really don't know why we put up with them.

[Statman]

does anyone know the score of the lassiter vs.sprayberry game tonight?
Lassiter 15-1. see below for recap
http://llbc.readyhosting.com/

[farside]

DC8 and Relaxified - Very good thoughts.

It is a shame that some quality teams will not make the play offs and is it true that if Walton beats Pope. Pope will not make the playoffs (Ouch:dummy: ).

Anyhow - The GHSA in their defense can only hope that this will even out as more and more youth programs develop that will feed into the local HS. Making for better lacrosse all around.

Newnan, Peachtree City, Rome, Augusta - the more the merrier. it was not long ago that there were only 6-8 HS teams playing. I would be great to see 100 schools playing in the next 5 years.


PACE vs Westminster should be a barn burner:rolling:

[Crew_Socks]

Is Lassiter improving? It seems there main problem seems to be motivation, they defeated Sprayberry pretty easily, I actually thought Sprayberry was gonna get a good amount of goals in but I was definitly wrong. So its Lassiter and Etowah going to the playoffs from whatever division they are in?

[Socrates]

Wrong way. This is from Pace's coach to other coaches a week or two ago.

"If three teams are
tied the criteria is, in order:
Record vs all common opponents-if still tied
Goal differential in region games. (10 goal max) if still tied
Goal differential vs all common opponents (10 goal max) if still tied
Coin flip."



The way I read it, if Westminster beats Pace, then the common opponents for all three are Wesleyan and Lovett. All three beat Wesleyan and lost to Lovett. Now it goes to goal differential:
Pace +25 with Westminster to go
HIES +18 with North Springs to go (+28 max)
Westm +17 North springs, Pace

If we can assume HIES and West score +10 on North Springs:
Pace +25 with Westm
HIES +28
Westm +27 with Pace.

Below speculation is based on +10 vs NSprings....

So now we are in a situation where Pace controls their destiny. Get it done and they are in and #1 seed. If they lose, they are out.

If Westm wins by 2 or more, they get the #1 seed. If they win by 1 the goal diff against Lovett/Wesleyan:
Westm +9
HIES +4

Westm should get the #1 see if they beat Pace. In other words, the winner of the Pace/Westm game is the winner of the region. HIES is #2.


Could you clear this up for me? I'm with you up to Pace loosing they are out because of the three way tie breaker. What I'm not sure about is the seeding for W and H. Wouldn't it stand to reason that with these two teams tied, we'd look at "If two teams are tied with identical area records the head
to head match up determines the team that advances"?

[justchillaxin88]

ok, if west loses to pace,
West has two area loses, they are out
Pace has none, they get the number 1 seed
HIES has 1 area loss, they get the two seed

If west beats pace, all three would have one area loss, but the head to head matches would cancel out because they all beat each other
West beat Pace
Pace beat HIES
HIES beat West

So no team would have the advantage in the head to head match ups

that is why they have to go to the other criteria.
Which would give west the one seed and HIES the two

[Laxdad1]

Lax Mom please go away

Gosh LaxMom1, if you were at the Westm./BT game, I wonder who I was with in Fla. with the last 36 hours.

You guys have answered all the playoff scenarios. All this conjecture about how the GHSA should change. You must be kidding, change, a dirty word over there.

If I were in town last night I would have happily missed the Lass game and been at the Pace/Hies or Walton/Harris game. I will be at the West/Pace game the 24th. I have not seen Pace play but as mentioned both teams have excellent coaching, along with the rivalry thing, it should be a terrific way to wind up, without a doubt, the most fantastic lacrosse season Ga Lacrosse has ever had.

Since we have to live with the present system, the key is to take care of your business within your region. I felt earlier in the season that Westm. would overcome their injury problems and move strongly to their region games, but that did not happen and they stumbled to HIES. Taking N. Springs as a given, I'm going with Westm. in the big game. If I turn out being wrong, I'm sure I'll be paying off the wager I already made with my wife and I'll be at a certain restaurant. LaxMom1, if you know the restaurant's name, maybe I was with you, or I fell into a well and was on a bad trip. I will reveal the restaurant's name to a certain person who I have exchanged messages with on this forum, only if he will honor this afront on my handle in this forum. I will give him to midnight tonight to contact me as to whether he will and, then maybe we can together end this scourge.

Congrats to Pace on their hard fought win and to Harrison. Congrats to Walton, also. You still have Pope to look out for.

[Socrates]

ok, if west loses to pace,
West has two area loses, they are out
Pace has none, they get the number 1 seed
HIES has 1 area loss, they get the two seed

If west beats pace, all three would have one area loss, but the head to head matches would cancel out because they all beat each other
West beat Pace
Pace beat HIES
HIES beat West

So no team would have the advantage in the head to head match ups

that is why they have to go to the other criteria.
Which would give west the one seed and HIES the two

If you were responding to my earlier post, I think you are missing my point. If you were, maybe you can help clear this up.

My question is with regards to which set of tie-breaker rules applies. DC's earlier post - again (with my format and emphasis added):

"If three teams are tied the criteria is, in order:
Record vs all common opponents-if still tied
Goal differential in region games. (10 goal max) if still tiedGoal differential vs all common opponents (10 goal max) if still tied
Coin flip."

Given the previous assumptions which set up the likely scenarios, If Pace looses, they are out because they loose the tiebreakers on a three way tie.

However, I don't think you should continue to apply the three team tie breaker rules to determine the seeding for W and HI. It should be the two team tie break previously posted by DC:

As we wind down the regular season I wanted to remind coaches about the
tiebreaker rules for areas to advance to the playoffs that we agree to
every fall. If two teams are tied with identical area records the head
to head match up determines the team that advances. If three teams are
tied the criteria is, in order:

Record vs all common opponents-if still tied

Goal differential in region games. (10 goal max) if still tied

Goal differential vs all common opponents (10 goal max) if still tied

And in this case, HI would be the one seed by vurtue of thier 10-7 win over W.

[dc8rlax]

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[dc8rlax]

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[laxshooter18]

I made a mistake before.

I was going down the list without thinking about going back to the top after one gets knocked out.

You are right. Pace wins, they are #1. Westminster wins, 3 way tie with Westm/HIES having most goal diff in region, then the tie breaker between the two goes back to the top, so it would be HIES #1, Westm #2.

The only way it changes is if North Springs manages to ruin HIES' season by holding them to +5 or something lower, then the 3 way tie could end up going Pace/Westminster with the winner #1. It's not likely to happen, but HIES needs to keep it in mind and blow them out.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not interested in being right, but making sure we all understand the same thing. I'd suggest that I too have to much time on my hands to bother trying to figure this out! Lets wee what happens as the season unflolds.

[Socrates]

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not interested in being right, but making sure we all understand the same thing. I'd suggest that I too have to much time on my hands to bother trying to figure this out! Lets wee what happens as the season unflolds.

DC8rlax - That's great. That's what I wanted to know.

[jishlaxxer]

so from my understanding, HIES gets to the big dance no matter what?

[dc8rlax]

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[jishlaxxer]

that would suck for them. but no offence to NS, but i kind of dont see that happening.

[GALAX63]

Harrison 9
Lovett 7

Harrison was up most of the game by 1 or 2 goals until end of 3 quarter when Lovett tied it up 6 to 6. After that Harrison pretty much went back up by 2 goals. Overall, Harrison's d-fense did a great job as well as Gallaway in goal. Offensively they had some great cuts into the middle. Not a lot has been talked about about Harrison, but they have won 10 straight and appear to be coming together going into the playoffs. They will be a pretty tough competition for anyone in the playoff rounds.

Good luck to both teams.

[GAlax3]

pope 8 st. pius 7
the game went to 3 overtimes

[dc8rlax]

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[JDM591]

I don't know if Lassiter is improving or not, I think in the Sprayberry game it was more a matter of the reality that Sprayberry is just not a good team. Anyone who can handle the ball with a reasonable amount of stick skill will blow them away. They are still at the point where they think it is a spring football game with sticks and look for the big hit more than they look for the ball or the right position. When they get that out of their head and learn to play the game instead of headhunting, they may have a chance to be good.

[rhsgoalie35]

Are the All-State and All-American teams announced before or after the playoffs are finished? Basically what I want to know is whether or not success in the postseason is taken into consideration for such honors, not the dates that they are announced.

[dc8rlax]

Coaches meet April 27.

[Laxdad1]

If you have read some of my posts I have mentioned Harrison's play but, even so, this was unexpected. Congrats to Pope for holding on and toughing out a win.

[Sack Attack]

Predictions for Pace-Westminster?

[blahblah1234]

Predictions for Pace-Westminster?

its at pace so, pace. by a few.

[tigerlax22]

Predictions for Pace-Westminster?

pace, westminsters played better teams this season and beat them but recently pace as been pretty on.

[galax2009]

Predictions for Pace-Westminster?

what do you think are each teams strengths and weaknesses?

[blahblah1234]

what do you think are each teams strengths and weaknesses?

midfield - pace
defense - pace (if they gameplan correctly)
attack - id say pretty even
goalie - westminster

and i dont know 'bout EMO/Man-Down

[2v3lacrosseX]

i think you are going out on a limb by saying pace has a better midfield and defense. Pace's midfield is based on one player 100% of the time. Hes obviously very good, but their team's performace depends on hows hes playing. put a solid pole on him and have your slides ready and you can shut him down. with sight intact, i believe Noonan will save anythink outside of 10. as for defense, westminster seems to always base their team from the back to the front,so i think they are looking at a solid game, however i dont know much about either team's attack. i agree that it probably evens out so the game should be a good one to watch

[Statman]

Seth Erickson is supposed to be back to help Lassiter in playoffs.....maybe that lights full-time fire in the boys.....we'll see.

[Beta26]

Seth Erickson is supposed to be back to help Lassiter in playoffs.....maybe that lights full-time fire in the boys.....we'll see.

If that's true...that's HUGE.

[unclax1]

i think you are going out on a limb by saying pace has a better midfield and defense. Pace's midfield is based on one player 100% of the time. Hes obviously very good, but their team's performace depends on hows hes playing. put a solid pole on him and have your slides ready and you can shut him down. with sight intact, i believe Noonan will save anythink outside of 10. as for defense, westminster seems to always base their team from the back to the front,so i think they are looking at a solid game, however i dont know much about either team's attack. i agree that it probably evens out so the game should be a good one to watch
Have to agree with you on West Def comment. While young, Coach S does a good job of game planning and adjustments which makes his teams tough this time of year. My gut tells me we have another close one where the last adjustment, bounce or player who can lift his game at the right time will turn this one. Good week of lax with this game, Pope/Walton and Lovett/AHS.

[Laxdad1]

Games of the week:
4/22 Pope@McIn. Pope has had a great season & has played one of the hardest schedules in the state. They may get caught short in one of their last 2 games but, I'll stick with 'em.
4/22 Alpha.@Lovett Maybe a preview to 3rd round playoff game. I think Lovett can counter Alpha's strenghts. Lov in a close game.
4/24 Pope@Walton Pope
4/24 Harrison@Roswell Harrison, the most untalked about team in the state. They have quietly improved all year playing a bunch of strong teams. They may have a makable way to the finals this year. Can they keep Bender under control? We'll see. I'm going with them.
4/24 Westm.@Pace There has been much talk about this game. I admit not seeing Pace. From what I draw from what I've read and knowing West a little, I'm calling it even. There will be alot of people there from both sides,so home field advantage is negated. I give the slightest edge to Westm.
Good Luck. Let's go play some Lacrosse boys.

[Laxdad1]

I know alot of you guys could care less about intersectional games but I did notice one score. East Chapel Hill (NC) beat Cold Spring Harbour(NY). Cold Spring is usually in the top 10-15 teams in N Y. Interesting.

[ny2galax37]

I know alot of you guys could care less about intersectional games but I did notice one score. East Chapel Hill (NC) beat Cold Spring Harbour(NY). Cold Spring is usually in the top 10-15 teams in N Y. Interesting.

Cold Spring Harbor has a new coach who moved over from former state champion, South Side H.S. Having been away from the Island for so long, I haven't really kept up with CSH. Besides, my high school career ended with a loss to CHS, so I root for anybody who plays them. Way to go East Chapel Hill!

[Laxdad1]

Seth Erickson's court case is over and he is practicing, as to whether he plays who knows for sure about anything over there.

Will someone give the starting times of the Lov game tommorrow and the Westm. game Thurs.

[Sack Attack]

Pace/Westminster will be at 5 at Pace.

Edit: BTW guys, the GA lax thread is the most replied to thread in the HS forum. Keep up the good work!

[dc8rlax]

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[justchillaxin88]

"If three teams are tied the criteria is, in order:
Record vs all common opponents-if still tied
Goal differential in region games. (10 goal max) if still tiedGoal differential vs all common opponents (10 goal max) if still tied
Coin flip."

Given the previous assumptions which set up the likely scenarios, If Pace looses, they are out because they loose the tiebreakers on a three way tie.

However, I don't think you should continue to apply the three team tie breaker rules to determine the seeding for W and HI. It should be the two team tie break previously posted by DC:

As we wind down the regular season I wanted to remind coaches about the
tiebreaker rules for areas to advance to the playoffs that we agree to
every fall. If two teams are tied with identical area records the head
to head match up determines the team that advances. If three teams are
tied the criteria is, in order:

Record vs all common opponents-if still tied

Goal differential in region games. (10 goal max) if still tied

Goal differential vs all common opponents (10 goal max) if still tied

And in this case, HI would be the one seed by vurtue of thier 10-7 win over W.

Socrates and dc8rlax....

This is incorrect. If you go from the three way tie to the two way tie criteria, it does not work with logic.

The first tie breaker in two way tie is head to head.
if you try this in the West, HIES, Pace situation, it dosent work because they all beat each other.
So if we throw out pace b/c record vs common opponets and goal differential, i with you there. But, if you then try to go to the two way tie system from there, it is head to head. you cannot do this because pace comes back in the system because they beat HIES and only have one loss.

The three way tie is set up the way it is so that teams cannot come back into the system.

Those are the rules, i know that i am not explaning them in the best way, but i'm just trying to due this quickly.

HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE!!!

if west beats pace,

1. West
2. HIES

If pace beats west,

1. Pace
2. HIES

HIES has the number two playoff spot locked up, assuming they dont screw up aganist NS, who i think west beat 18-2 or something like that.
WEst and pace are fighting for a playoff spot.

[dc8rlax]

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[Sack Attack]

dc8r - Seth Erickson is probably top 3 attack in the state.

[galax2009]

thoughts on pace/westminster?

[Mr Magoo]

GAC- 7
Hooch- 3

[GALAX63]

dc8r - Seth Erickson is probably top 3 attack in the state.


If Seth is back for playoff, definitely will improve Lassiter's attack immediately as his size and skills made it very tough for defenses to guard him.

[Socrates]

What you explain is what I thought originally.

I thought the 2 top and order would be determined by tie breaker. On further reflection, I thought maybe you knock one team out, then go back to head to head.

I'll only ask where you get the definitive answer? If you are correct, it helps my team tremendously (if we choke tomorrow).

I agree with justchillaxin88's interpretation of the 3 team tie-break. However, I think it is logical to award the top seed based on head to head after the 3rd place team is eliminated. Ultimately we are all correct in our analysis of how to apply the rules but the question is when and that's not something we can answer. We'll all know soon enough when play concludes.

[Laxdad1]

Is it common knowledge what you are talking about? What kind of court case kept him off the field and what position does he strengthen? If it's out of bounds to ask, I apologize in advance. I haven't heard of a player held out for those reasons in a long time.

Without knowing all the facts and even if I knew, it would be improper to divulge them in this forum. As far as the powers concerned, the incident has now been resolved. So let the big guy play.

Time of the Lovett game, please.

[dc8rlax]

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[Crew_Socks]

Word on the street was multiple Lassiter players were kicked off the team (a while back)... now that SE is coming back, does that mean that others will also if they were also disciplined?

[tigerlax22]

Word on the street was multiple Lassiter players were kicked off the team (a while back)... now that SE is coming back, does that mean that others will also if they were also disciplined?

are you speaking of the highlighter incident of 2005 or were other players involved in the narc shabang?

[Laxdad1]

Over the past couple of years a number of players have not been allowed to play for whatever the circumstances. Look, teenage boys, even with the most intelligent and caring parents, inherently make bad choices. That's just the way it is. It's up to the powers to be to handle the individual cases according to the rules in effect at that time, whether fair or not. Not everyone will agree with those decisions, nevertheless, they are there. Some judgements are left up to the coach who can not have a specific remedy for every situation that arises. I do have a problem with decisions that are maybe a little overboard and have no way of being reviewed but again that's the way it is. A team has a coach and he is the one who has the final say in most diciplinary situations. It's a tough call but it has to be made. Isn't that why they get paid so much.

[ny2galax37]

Over the past couple of years a number of players have not been allowed to play for whatever the circumstances. Look, teenage boys, even with the most intelligent and caring parents, inherently make bad choices. That's just the way it is. It's up to the powers to be to handle the individual cases according to the rules in effect at that time, whether fair or not. Not everyone will agree with those decisions, nevertheless, they are there. Some judgements are left up to the coach who can not have a specific remedy for every situation that arises. I do have a problem with decisions that are maybe a little overboard and have no way of being reviewed but again that's the way it is. A team has a coach and he is the one who has the final say in most diciplinary situations. It's a tough call but it has to be made. Isn't that why they get paid so much.

Ah, high school coaching - the profession that puts a pers