HARDEST MC OUT THERE [Archive] - The Lacrosse Forums

AquinasLAX

09-11-2007, 09:28 PM

ya please define what you mean by "hardest". do you mean like got the most street cred, the biggest gangster, like someone "you wouldnt want to meet in a dark alley" lol or do you mean like someone that trys to portray themselves being hard and gangsta but rly aint. or do you just mean like a good rapper in the game today

ByrdDpole

09-11-2007, 10:07 PM

If you mean actual hard...C-Murder. I mean, cmon, kills a guy, then breaks out of prison...badass.

Although I doubt you guys have heard of him...he hasn't had much success outside of Louisiana.

http://www.myspace.com/cmurder

cali feeder

09-11-2007, 11:44 PM

I heard Hooligan can bust some pretty sick-nasty rhymes.

Seriously though...Immortal Technique is great.

AquinasLAX

09-12-2007, 05:39 AM

c-murder is pretty real. he got some sick songs. prbly his most well known song is "yall heard of me"

also, immortal technique is probably one the most underrated rapper of all time. and the man qualifies for being one of the "hardest mc's" as you wanted to know lol. but for real tho, go listen to his song called, dance with the devil, and actually listen to the lyrics. it will send chills down your spine and prbly one of the realest songs ive ever listened to

HawkletLax

09-12-2007, 07:23 AM

ya ive heard of c-murder, i forgot about him. i mean "wouldnt wan to meet in a dark alley hard" Id say fat tone (behind mac dres murder) DMX, and c-murder.
has DMX realesed anything recently? where he go? jail?

aussielax

09-12-2007, 07:43 AM

DMX is only rough cause he's a crackhead. If I were a crackhead, I'd be damn rough too. It's either gotta be Nas, Big L, or Beanie Sigel. Listen to Sigel's "What Your Life Like?" and tell me that's not the realest thing you've heard in a long long time. Big L was shot three times in the dome, three years later his identical looking brother was mercked in the same fashion on the same street. The roughest MC of them all has to be Nas. Ether anyone?

How is Nas rough? Ether? how does dissing Jay-Z on a track make him hard?

I'd say Ol' Dirty ******* from Wu-Tang would be up there he was shot on 3 different occasions.

But seriously who cares? I'm more worried about how good their music not anything else.

EricL

09-12-2007, 01:55 PM

Wu-tang, mos def and yes Jay-z

laxman359

09-12-2007, 02:04 PM

nas is pretty much the exact opposite and so is mos def as for the most gangster possibly the game, snoop, odb out of famous rappers

The_Gunslinger

09-12-2007, 02:15 PM

http://www.nickadamsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/negrofrowns.jpg

cjm3113

09-12-2007, 05:12 PM

This is by far the stupidest argument I have ever heard. I also hate it when people say "Wayne is fake, Wayne isn't hard". I don't listen to Wayne because I think he is a thug, I listen to him because his music is enjoyable. So telling me he isn't "real" means absolutely nothing to me.

spyopticgoggles

09-12-2007, 05:27 PM

Wu-tang, mos def and yes Jay-z

totally agree with you. his earlier songs are really good, and the black album was amazing.

DutchyLacrosse

09-12-2007, 06:28 PM

Lil' Wayne has got to be the biggest joke i've seen.
He should be shot and i'm not even kidding.

Anyways, i like Jay-Z, Kanye West, Obie Trice and Eminem.

rynolax

09-12-2007, 07:13 PM

Am I the only one who finds it funny that there is one white guy in the upper right corner?

He's a wigger.
And yes it was quite funny.

HawkletLax

09-12-2007, 07:38 PM

odb is too is also i forgot bout him

O'Neill

09-12-2007, 07:59 PM

Lethal Bizzle

mnlax9

09-12-2007, 08:22 PM

http://www.nickadamsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/negrofrowns.jpg

hahahahaha funniest thing ove heard all day

bringthewood

09-14-2007, 05:33 PM

MC Ren or Eazy-E or anyone from NWA

rebellax10

09-15-2007, 08:53 AM

frankstoneline

09-15-2007, 01:25 PM

isnt it like, sacrilegious that no one mentioned Dre?
I mean, that guy is epic, from his NWA days to now.

jesusmacabee

09-15-2007, 01:38 PM

Jedi Mind Tricks and Ill Bill

faceofflax15

09-15-2007, 03:46 PM

Jay-Z, no doubt about it.

WestSideLa X eR

09-15-2007, 10:43 PM

Lil Wayne is amazing. Guy doesn't just say and repeat dumb lyrics over and over like the song "Ay Bay bay" For example. He rhymes about real stuff and throws it together. Other than that, Dipset is real good.

No.

How is Nas rough? Ether? how does dissing Jay-Z on a track make him hard?

I'd say Ol' Dirty ******* from Wu-Tang would be up there he was shot on 3 different occasions.

But seriously who cares? I'm more worried about how good their music not anything else.

How are we defining hard? Have you listened to illmatic? Just cause nas isn't a battle rapper doesn't mean he hasn't seen nothing.

Jedi Mind Tricks and Ill Bill

Why is JMT hard? Just because they rap about blood and ripping bones and other morbid/overly violent crap?

Most of the obvious mc's have been named already but Cormega is one dude that is overlooked but...if you listen to his stuff, you know he's seen "crap" (for lack of a better word)

AquinasLAX

09-16-2007, 12:13 PM

Lil Wayne is amazing. Guy doesn't just say and repeat dumb lyrics over and over like the song "Ay Bay bay" For example. He rhymes about real stuff and throws it together. Other than that, Dipset is real good.

wayne has some insane metaphors, but when you rly listen to his songs....he says absolutely nothing.dont get me wrong im not a weezy hater or anything but his songs have no depth to their lyrics its always just him talkin bout weed, girls, diamonds, or something like that. but he does have some sick songs. but his rhymes cant compare to other guys like immortal technique, nas, jmt or others.

isnt it like, sacrilegious that no one mentioned Dre?
I mean, that guy is epic, from his NWA days to now.

dre is a legend....but not for being a rapper/mc. dre made his imprint on the game in the studio being one of the greatest producers of all time

Most of the obvious mc's have been named already but Cormega is one dude that is overlooked

ill give you props for that cause prbly 99% of the guys on here have no clue who cormega is but the man is def. something real on the mic

aussielax

09-16-2007, 08:49 PM

How are we defining hard? Have you listened to illmatic? Just cause nas isn't a battle rapper doesn't mean he hasn't seen nothing.

Yes of course i have listened to illmatic it is one of my fav albums of all time.

And i still haven't figured out what everyone on here thinks "hard" means.

All i said was that ether doesn't mean nas is "hard" because it doesn't take much to make a diss track.

zak

09-16-2007, 08:53 PM

zak

09-16-2007, 08:54 PM

jmk2910

09-16-2007, 09:01 PM

Ive said it here before and Ill say it again, ImmTech is more of a joke than 911

Hardest MC ..... RA The Rugged Man. Because not only does he make every other rapper look like a gump, he does it without caring. ImmTech just wants to be the cool kid in school.

WOW, you couldn't be more wrong. If tech wanted to be the "cool kid" don't you think he would have signed with a significant label? if you cant feel tech's lyrics, you might be retarded. What he spits is real and he flows like no other. Listen to a dance with the devil and youll understand what i mean. He tells a story while rhyming for 8 minutes straight, i dont think any other mc can do that. Also for those of you who think lil wayne is a "beast on the mic," youre dead wrong. he says insignificant stuff just for the sake of rhyming. Example: (from The Sky's the Limit)"when I was 5 my favorite movie was the gremlins, it ain't got [no profanity] to do with this I just thought that i would mention"

AquinasLAX

09-16-2007, 10:14 PM

jmk i couldnt agree with you more, i was just about to reply back bout immortal technique to this fool zak until i saw yours. if immortal technique wanted to be the cool kid in school he would have signed with a major label. he says the reason he hasnt signed is because when he was young and comming up none of the labels gave him a chance and they all f'ed him over. so now when he is hot and all the labels on his d, he sayin f yall to them. he rhymes for the love of the game and nothing more, cant get any more real then that. and ya wayne sayin some dumb stuff on the mic, but some of it sure is catchy tho...but that dont mean jack when your talkin bout being a real mc

cjm3113

09-16-2007, 10:33 PM

Also for those of you who think lil wayne is a "beast on the mic," youre dead wrong. he says insignificant stuff just for the sake of rhyming. Example: (from The Sky's the Limit)"when I was 5 my favorite movie was the gremlins, it ain't got [no profanity] to do with this I just thought that i would mention"

So that makes him garbage? What makes that insignificant? Because he watched Gremlins when he was a kid? Would you prefer if he had been watching his parents get murdered? Because he doesn't rap about real crime, and real people dieing he isn't a beast on the mic? That must be the most ignorant thing I ever read in my life.

Personally, I think that is a great line. You know why? Because it is catchy/funny and it flows. That is Wayne's style. And if you ask me it is a lot more enjoyable to listen to than Immortal Technique for example, who nobody would say isn't "real" in his songs.

WestSideLa X eR

09-17-2007, 12:22 AM

WOW, you couldn't be more wrong. If tech wanted to be the "cool kid" don't you think he would have signed with a significant label? if you cant feel tech's lyrics, you might be retarded. What he spits is real and he flows like no other. Listen to a dance with the devil and youll understand what i mean. He tells a story while rhyming for 8 minutes straight, i dont think any other mc can do that. Also for those of you "who think lil wayne is a "beast on the mic," youre dead wrong. he says insignificant stuff just for the sake of rhyming. Example: (from The Sky's the Limit)"when I was 5 my favorite movie was the gremlins, it ain't got no profanity] to do with this I just thought that i would mention"

Found this review on amazon.com that pretty much sums up everything that I want to say:

"This guy is getting props from lots of pseudo-underground hip-hop fans who admire IT's vehement political stance and 'skeletal' production style. Take a step back, though. For someone whose pseudonym apparently boasts of his lyrical prowess, IT's flow is pathetic, and his rhymes sound like bad sixth form poetry. The production is certainly skeletal, but also sounds like it was made on fruity loops in about five minutes. Any idea of subtlety, nuance, or hey, musicality goes out the window to make way for IT's cheap imitation of Chuck D. When there's political hip-hop as tight as the likes of Nephlim Modulation Systems, Black Radical Mk II and Orko the Sycotik Alien, Immortal Technique is the last place you would need to look."

AttackMan18

09-17-2007, 12:32 AM

I don't know, but I do know that it's NOT Lil' Wayne.

That were you wrong. It Lil Wayne, 50 Cent, and Kanye West.

zak

09-17-2007, 12:36 PM

WOW, you couldn't be more wrong. If tech wanted to be the "cool kid" don't you think he would have signed with a significant label? if you cant feel tech's lyrics, you might be retarded. What he spits is real and he flows like no other. Listen to a dance with the devil and youll understand what i mean. He tells a story while rhyming for 8 minutes straight, i dont think any other mc can do that. Also for those of you who think lil wayne is a "beast on the mic," youre dead wrong. he says insignificant stuff just for the sake of rhyming. Example: (from The Sky's the Limit)"when I was 5 my favorite movie was the gremlins, it ain't got [no profanity] to do with this I just thought that i would mention"

Fool? ...right. Westside pretty much summed it up. Any other MC? Eminem, Rakim, KRS, Jay, Chuck D, they can all do it for a whole CD. And why do you think IT is "cool," because he DIDNT sign. Signing on has nothing to do with how genuine of an mc he is. No, he wanted to be the cool kid, so he said outrageous stuff that you dont even agree with, dropped enough n-bombs (hes not black), and trashed bush, and signed on an indie label, and a significant one at that.

Rakim is an MC. IT is just a lyricist trying to be an MC.

ATXlacrosse

09-17-2007, 05:16 PM

snoop he has killed someone jk ron jeremy gut of the week............it's on vh1 you wouldint understand

hvlax26

09-17-2007, 06:39 PM

snoop he has killed someone jk ron jeremy gut of the week............it's on vh1 you wouldint understand

So was there an point in posting that?

But I would agree that Dance with the Devil is pretty deep, but i haven't heard much else by IT.

I do know that although i like Lil Wayne a lot he really doens't sing about a whole lot, but who cares its catchy wtihout being so juvenile that its all over the radio.

losangelescrime

12-09-2007, 02:03 AM

Yes of course i have listened to illmatic it is one of my fav albums of all time.

And i still haven't figured out what everyone on here thinks "hard" means.

All i said was that ether doesn't mean nas is "hard" because it doesn't take much to make a diss track.
new user here and i just saw your old posted comment on ORKO THE SYCOTIK ALIEN, i need this mans music. i found him on myspace, added this guy and the reason for all that bieng is i started listening to him back in the late 90's and hes friggin hard to find, and ive written him messages asking him to let me know how to get his music and hes MIA, so if you have any sources on where to find his music PLEASE WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO HIP HOP AND YOU, PLEASE DROP ME A LINE. MUCHAS GRASS

losangelescrime

12-09-2007, 02:06 AM

ORKO IF YOURE OUT THERE, I NEED TO HEAR YOUR MUSIC AGAIN SO LET YOUR FANS OUT HERE IN THE FORUMS KNOW THAT YOU GOT A LISTENER HERE...

IHSLAX4

12-09-2007, 09:37 AM

So was there an point in posting that?

But I would agree that Dance with the Devil is pretty deep, but i haven't heard much else by IT.

I do know that although i like Lil Wayne a lot he really doens't sing about a whole lot, but who cares its catchy wtihout being so juvenile that its all over the radio.

then listen to Peruvian Cocaine, Harlem Streets, or Freedom of Speech. They are all very good and real songs. All of you that say IT isn't real are just ignorant, he could be making millions right now if he had signed with a major record label. But I'm glad he didn't because i think he could have sold out...But I think the greatest rapper alive right now would have to be Nas, everything he touches turns to gold. Every single song he writes is and instant classic.

D Bay

01-06-2008, 11:44 PM

Immortal tech is amazing, but you guys rave about him like he's the only underground rapper out there that's got skill. to answer the question, I'd say
Immortal Tech, Q-unique, Ill Bill, Cage, Celph Titled, Brotha Lynch Hung (INSANE cali gangster rap), and Chino XL are truly the hardest, craziest, "realest" rappers out there.

WIlax

01-07-2008, 12:17 AM

Example: (from The Sky's the Limit)"when I was 5 my favorite movie was the gremlins, it ain't got [no profanity] to do with this I just thought that i would mention"

Im also not a huge fan of Wayne..but Im just pointing something out..The majority of his songs have to do with food and being "hungry"(the hunger to succeed)..and the Gremlins were notorious for eating..Just putting that out there..like..some of the stuff he says that seems retarded does relate. But yeah he does say some stupid stuff sometimes..

And as far as the actual thread goes..IT is out of his mind..And theres a british rapper named Klashnekoff whos out of his gord..Most people here in the states dont know much about him though.

cali feeder

01-07-2008, 12:25 AM

Um, I'm gonna have to toss Tech N9ne out there as my favorite MC/Rapper/whatever. In terms of rapping/rhyming ability, he's incredibly quick and fluid, even though his delivery is often quite unique. The way he puts it together makes for really "fun" music to listen to. Like I don't get jacked up or anything listening to his music, but I'm always smiling or laughing.

Needless to say most of his lyrics aren't "hard", but man some of them are funny as hell.

tobin4

01-07-2008, 07:23 PM

Freestyler-Big L
Overall-Tupac
Overrated-Lil Wayne <--lyrics are [no profanity]
Underrated-tough one but i'd say One Be Lo
Underachieved-Jurassic 5
Best Lyrics-Mos Def/Kweli also gotta give B.E.N.E.F.I.T. credit

made that quickly

Palmettolax45

01-07-2008, 10:36 PM

Dj Khalid ftw.
Discussion over

hvlacrosse311

01-07-2008, 10:45 PM

cjm3113

01-08-2008, 02:06 AM

Lil Wayne is not the hardest MC out there, hes not even close. How are you going to say that a guy who raps about eating food and cooking is the HARDEST MC out there. Maybe if BET ever needs a cooking show he can host it but the guys a joke, hes modern rap. Hes a joke compared to Easy-E, Tupac, NAS, Dre, Notorious BIG, and even Snoop.

Anybody who said 50 Cent knows nothing, the guy did a song with Justin Timberlake and i think that proves my point.

I hate modern Rap/Hip Hop, its just a bunch of cocky guys talking about how hard they are and how many girls they can get. Its like listening to the most arrogant kid in school for an entire CD, its not music.

Listen to Brotha Lynch, guys crazy.

What are you talking about? As far as I've seen (in this thread) not that many people called Lil Wayne the hardest? Matter of fact, I don't think Wayne tries to be hard in his music. He's clearly said in his songs "I've never killed anyone". He just tries to entertain, which he does, very successfully.

hvlacrosse311

01-08-2008, 02:12 PM

What are you talking about? As far as I've seen (in this thread) not that many people called Lil Wayne the hardest? Matter of fact, I don't think Wayne tries to be hard in his music. He's clearly said in his songs "I've never killed anyone". He just tries to entertain, which he does, very successfully.

I've seen a couple of people in this thread say Wayne is the hardest, theres even a Lil Wayne megathread. Im not saying you have to kill somebody to be hard, thats just stupid. But the guy talks about food all the time, that just doesnt make good music. Hes certainly not the hardest MC out there, some people might find him entertaining and thats their opinion, but personally i find his voice very annoying and his lyrics are just stupid IMO. But not everybody likes the same music so im not going to knock someone for liking something that i dont, i just think there is much better music out there than Lil Wayne, 50 Cent and all these new "ringtone artists" like Soulja Boy, Timbaland, and Lil Wayne.

cjm3113

01-08-2008, 02:16 PM

I've seen a couple of people in this thread say Wayne is the hardest, theres even a Lil Wayne megathread. Im not saying you have to kill somebody to be hard, thats just stupid. But the guy talks about food all the time, that just doesnt make good music. Hes certainly not the hardest MC out there, some people might find him entertaining and thats their opinion, but personally i find his voice very annoying and his lyrics are just stupid IMO. But not everybody likes the same music so im not going to knock someone for liking something that i dont, i just think there is much better music out there than Lil Wayne, 50 Cent and all these new "ringtone artists" like Soulja Boy, Timbaland, and Lil Wayne.

I think before this thread goes on (well, it probably shouldn't), a definition for "hardest" needs to be set. I think most of the people saying Lil Wayne are just saying his name because he is their favorite, not because they think he is the "hardest".

Personally, I think Wayne is on a different level than the "ringtone artists" like Soulja Boy, Timbaland and 50 Cent. Wayne's songs aren't full of repetitive choruses flaunting money, women and sex. At times does he rap about each of those? Of course, but his lyrics (whether you choose to like them or not) do mean something. His metaphorical rhyming is unmatched and the fact that he does it all freestyle can hardly be topped.

hvlacrosse311

01-08-2008, 02:18 PM

I think before this thread goes on (well, it probably shouldn't), a definition for "hardest" needs to be set. I think most of the people saying Lil Wayne are just saying his name because he is their favorite, not because they think he is the "hardest".

Personally, I think Wayne is on a different level than the "ringtone artists" like Soulja Boy, Timbaland and 50 Cent. Wayne's songs aren't full of repetitive choruses flaunting money, women and sex. At times does he rap about each of those? Of course, but his lyrics (whether you choose to like them or not) do mean something. His metaphorical rhyming is unmatched and the fact that he does it all freestyle can hardly be topped.

Yes i will admit he is good at freestyling

stinch38

01-08-2008, 04:35 PM

will smith

spyopticgoggles

01-08-2008, 04:50 PM

will smith

hahahahaha, good one. next you're gunna say vanilla ice, right?

cali feeder

01-08-2008, 05:14 PM

Jurassic 5 is also awesome.

slice n dice

01-15-2008, 06:16 PM

That were you wrong. It Lil Wayne, 50 Cent, and Kanye West.

............. 50 Cent and Kanye.. kill yoself asap. They are 0 hard. Kanye is good but he aint hard and 50 is just.. no comment.

kleinlax-75

01-15-2008, 07:51 PM

trae, z-ro, slim thugg

stinch38

01-15-2008, 07:59 PM

hahahahaha, good one. next you're gunna say vanilla ice, right?

Yeah haha i was kidding about will smith just so everyone knows. i would have also wrote dylan, he spits hot fire but someone beat me to it. I prefer not to argue whos the hardest cause everyone has their own personal preference.

veronalax33

01-15-2008, 08:47 PM

Dr. Dre or anyone from NWA
The Game
Lil Wayne.

IHSLAX4

01-15-2008, 09:42 PM

odb is too is also i forgot bout him

correction O.D.B was hard.

IHSLAX4

01-15-2008, 09:50 PM

Freestyler-Big L

thank you so much, Big L is sooo sick. He has so many good one liners, he kills it on the mic.

KeeneAttack12

01-16-2008, 04:03 PM

Immortal Technique is by far the hardest. In his song "Dance with the Devil". He tells about him, his crew, and a kid name william. They end up raping William's mom and then killing her.

SuperDuper46

01-16-2008, 04:24 PM

............. 50 Cent and Kanye.. kill yoself asap. They are 0 hard. Kanye is good but he aint hard and 50 is just.. no comment.

yea kanye gerw up in the suburbs n 50 grew up in jamaica queens, have you ever been there is pretty ghetto and he got shot up a whole lot and id have to say swizz beat and the game and if you count whos music is out therethen you can't forget about biggie and Tupac and definately DMX and eminem coming up from being trailer trash to the greatest white rapper ever

pole15

01-16-2008, 09:34 PM

Beat Konducta
DJ Shadow
Breaksta
Captain Funkaho
Dr. Octagon
Peanut Butter Wolf
Ghostface Killah
MF Doom
MF Grimm
J Dilla
Charizma
Kool Keith
Lootpack
Madlib
Quasimoto
A Trak

pole15

01-16-2008, 09:59 PM

And...

Prefuse 73
Amon Tobin

Lurker

01-16-2008, 10:01 PM

Amon Tobin

Mmm, indeed.

adocranic

03-04-2008, 08:06 PM

Tech N9ne is crazy

southernlaxguy2

03-05-2008, 07:02 PM

juelz santana, ya diggg
oh and prolly tupac
and mayb, just maybe id say lil weezy

Lettuce

03-08-2008, 10:49 AM

50's a gorilla; Kanye's a producer. Neither really rap.

My vote goes to the GZA.

cord13

03-08-2008, 04:12 PM

eminem coming up from being trailer trash to the greatest white rapper ever

your forgeting Vanilla Ice

LaXdunwoodyLaX

03-21-2008, 06:19 PM

dead-2pac
undiscovred J-Tear
Alive- Eminem

LinkPlaysLax

03-21-2008, 11:41 PM

MC ESCHER IS MY FAVORITE DJ! HIS STUFF IS HARDDDDDDDDDD

indians8

03-22-2008, 01:50 PM

All WuTang and DMX

ramslac05

03-24-2008, 02:07 PM

Lil Wayne is amazing. Guy doesn't just say and repeat dumb lyrics over and over like the song "Ay Bay bay" For example. He rhymes about real stuff and throws it together. Other than that, Dipset is real good.

the thing is, thats how all the crap on mtv is nowadays, so thats what everyone thinks is rap

personally i despise rap because of that fact, but when i listen to actual rap, which rarely happens, like DMX or something, i recognize it as music, completely separate from the stupid repeating of 7 words to a beat for 5 minutes

Lettuce

03-24-2008, 03:24 PM

the thing is, thats how all the crap on mtv is nowadays, so thats what everyone thinks is rap

personally i despise rap because of that fact, but when i listen to actual rap, which rarely happens, like DMX or something, i recognize it as music, completely separate from the stupid repeating of 7 words to a beat for 5 minutes You despise rap because some of it is crappy? Uh.. Okay..

And I don't think repeating 7 'stupid' words for five minutes disqualifies anything as music.