Cuts in D3

[spike191]

Recently on here and from other sources i have heard that schools cut players from thier teams, even after recruiting them, on the D3 level. Because I am striving to play NCAA D3 at the moment and have been working on it recently, I was wonder if anyone has any information on this subject? How often does it occur and where? There aren't any scholarships at the D3 level so it sounds possible that this can occur.

[Garor]

Cuts happen on all levels to all players. You can have a scholarship, come to the university or college and then not make the roster. It doesn't happen that often to my knowledge, but it does happen. If you come in and don't live up to your expectations (even as a freshman there are expectations, even if they aren't as high as they are for upperclassman). I wouldn't factor this into your decision, because if you come in prepared, it shouldn't really matter.

[RIT37FO]

very possible
depends on where you go

[egrlax10]

most schools will say that you are guaranteed a spot on the team as a freshman, and then the next 3 years you have to try out like everyone else.

[spike191]

If you are recruited, do you really have to do bad to get cut? or do they just recruit extra and plan on cutting kids?

[Garor]

If you are recruited, do you really have to do bad to get cut? or do they just recruit extra and plan on cutting kids?

Usually no. No coach wants to spend their time and effort recruiting someone knowing that they will turn around and cut them come fall. It happens, but ever decent coach I have talked to wants their investments (players) to stick around for a long time. After all recruiting can take up a large portion of a coach's time, why would they turn around and waste it?

[laxin17]

listen i knows all about this..many college coaches do whats called.. "MASS RECRUITING" which basically meens that they over recruit players and then choose who they like, in a nut shell they do it for a simple reason...the more that tryout.. the more likely talent will be there. When you are getting recruited make sure you find out from the coach how many he is recruiting and also talk to some of the players on the team through facebook in hopes of finding out more info.

[ALEX WIZ]

It really depends on where you go to play. My cousin plays D3 at UTICA college(D3) and this year, his sophmore year, there will be cuts on his team. Now they arent a huge team they played RIT this past season and lost 1-9 or something or that nature. But none the less they can compete. And for the scholarship thing, usually they will give "academic" scholarships if your grades are there to help you to get you to play for them.

[JaxLaxdefender8]

listen i knows all about this..many college coaches do whats called.. "MASS RECRUITING" which basically meens that they over recruit players and then choose who they like, in a nut shell they do it for a simple reason...the more that tryout.. the more likely talent will be there. When you are getting recruited make sure you find out from the coach how many he is recruiting and also talk to some of the players on the team through facebook in hopes of finding out more info.

Sorry Ali G but as mentioned a coach wouldnt waste there time doing that.

[Garor]

listen i knows all about this..many college coaches do whats called.. "MASS RECRUITING" which basically meens that they over recruit players and then choose who they like, in a nut shell they do it for a simple reason...

Yes these people are football coaches. Lax is still so personal that you see the same coaches at tournaments all over the summer. These coaches do it all themselves and don't want to waste their time and money on people they do not want or need. Maybe a coach will add a player to the roster with the intent of keeping him "just in case" but few coaches have the resources to sign a huge class.

Edit: I actually do know of a school that mass recruits, U of Del on the women's side. But it's no secret. Signing classes of 15 people with a high turnaround rate sort of give it away. Look into how many people are usually recruited in year and see where all those people ended up.

[lilaxgurl23]

Sorry Ali G but as mentioned a coach wouldnt waste there time doing that.

Actually, I too have heard of this "mass recruiting." I'm almost positive one of the schools my sister was looking out flat out told her that if she didn't perform in try-outs they might be cut. They recruited so many players, but only a certain number would actually be on the final roster come spring time. I've also heard of the deal where you're on it freshman year, but then after that it's up to you to keep your spot. It's definitely different from program to program, something worth asking when you talk to a coach or potential teammates.

[Lax101]

Actually, I too have heard of this "mass recruiting." I'm almost positive one of the schools my sister was looking out flat out told her that if she didn't perform in try-outs they might be cut. They recruited so many players, but only a certain number would actually be on the final roster come spring time. I've also heard of the deal where you're on it freshman year, but then after that it's up to you to keep your spot. It's definitely different from program to program, something worth asking when you talk to a coach or potential teammates.

One team specifically is Fairfield. They will recruit 20+ frosh, and the vast majority will play on their JV team, squashing club opposition. Then as they progress, they get to make the jump.

[MadMike]

Now, I heard this from someone who heard it from someone so this is just hearsay but I thought I would post to add to the general flavor of the thread...

A kid I know was recruited to RIT. He is trying out with approximately 79 other players this Fall. These players include upper classmen, transfers and incoming freshmen, the whole group.

A coach said, "We have 49 jerseys" when asked how many they plan to keep.

My opinion - Schools/Coaches do not waste the money to recruit people they don't intend on keeping. They would also be stupid not to see what's out there with walk-ons, transfers, etc... so they look at as many kids as are interested and keep as many as makes sense. That's not to say everyone on the team will get to play alot but that's just the way it is.

[The Oracle]

One easy way to get a feel for this is to look at the recruiting database on Laxpower. I just did a quick count and RIT has 24 recruits and 2 transfers for 2007. You don't have to be a math major to figure out that they are not all going to make a 49 man squad. The way to deal with this is - ask the coaches at the schools you are interested what their recruiting policy is. We did this with my oldest son. Some coaches said that if they recruited you, that meant you would make the squad as a freshman and then you were on your own after that. Others said recruited means 4 years as long as you take things seriously.

BTW - I do know of another school in NY that overrecruited this year and has told the freshmen that they will not all play in the spring - I don't know if the kids asked the coach what his policy was beforehand.

[Lax101]

Now, I heard this from someone who heard it from someone so this is just hearsay but I thought I would post to add to the general flavor of the thread...

A kid I know was recruited to RIT. He is trying out with approximately 79 other players this Fall. These players include upper classmen, transfers and incoming freshmen, the whole group.

A coach said, "We have 49 jerseys" when asked how many they plan to keep.

My opinion - Schools/Coaches do not waste the money to recruit people they don't intend on keeping. They would also be stupid not to see what's out there with walk-ons, transfers, etc... so they look at as many kids as are interested and keep as many as makes sense. That's not to say everyone on the team will get to play alot but that's just the way it is.

One easy way to get a feel for this is to look at the recruiting database on Laxpower. I just did a quick count and RIT has 24 recruits and 2 transfers for 2007. You don't have to be a math major to figure out that they are not all going to make a 49 man squad. The way to deal with this is - ask the coaches at the schools you are interested what their recruiting policy is. We did this with my oldest son. Some coaches said that if they recruited you, that meant you would make the squad as a freshman and then you were on your own after that. Others said recruited means 4 years as long as you take things seriously.

BTW - I do know of another school in NY that overrecruited this year and has told the freshmen that they will not all play in the spring - I don't know if the kids asked the coach what his policy was beforehand.

Or, both of you can simply ask RITFO37, TLF mod and current RIT player...

[The Oracle]

My point was simple - if you want to know what a coach's policy on cuts is, ask him/her. I, and my sons, have asked many and they were all happy to answer. Secondary point is that the recruiting database is a useful tool for players looking to get a feel for what is going on in recruiting at a school.

[RIT37FO]

we currently have 60+ guys trying out including returning players
I have no idea who is a walk on and who is a returner
some very talented kids are coming out.

but to put all things to rest top tier d3 teams cut kids
walk on and recruits alike
If you are recruited and don't deliver you will be cut from what I have seen
If you are a walk on and do great things you wont be cut
simple as that

[spike191]

Anyone know if the cuts get less the farther you go down the totem pole, im looking at schools ranked anywhere from 30 to 50? Anyone know about that?

[RIT37FO]

best to talk to the coach of where ever you are looking

[D3Goalie9]

RIT37FO I know who you are! ;)

Your team is going to have some serious cuts this fall...considering the 75 guys going out for the team. haha.

[RIT37FO]

hey kelsey I knew you were on here just didnt know your user name

[spidermonkey]

Tactictal advantage to over recruit. A bigger pool of talent to choose from, and you keep your competition from getting them. It does and is happening everywhere.

[dta06]

Anyone know if the cuts get less the farther you go down the totem pole, im looking at schools ranked anywhere from 30 to 50? Anyone know about that?

Cuts happen on low-mid tier teams too. A kid from my school got recruited by farmingdale state, but he got cut his freshmen year since there were 3 other returning goalies trying out.

[crazylegs]

I know for a fact Salisbury has 112 trying out right now and are making cuts already after just 2 fallball practices, now granted the majority of them are walk-ons, but when you have that many to choose from you can put a pretty darn good product on the field.
The thing is when you get to the college level its a business, the coaches job is to recruit good high school talent, now if that HS talent does not perform on the field like they are supposed to, it is also the coaches job to find somebody else who will. Its all about what you do on the field, recruits get cut every year, just like there are walk-ons that make the team. Now depending on where you go, typically with most schools there is a "golden rule" that a recruit has 1 yr. to prove themselves. IMO you really have to disappoint on the field to be recruited and not make it at least your freshman yr., but I guess it depends on how much talent is coming in.
Another thing to look for is how many seniors are going to be leaving the team? If a coach has 15 coming in and they only lose 2 Sr's, then chances are all 15 of those recruits aren't going to make the team, for some kids its good to look into a team going into a rebuilding year.

[TOOLx3]

I have had D3 coaches tell me they plan for recruiting guys
that would be in the top 1/3 of their squad in talent. Then
cut from there. Vets & recruits alike. That's how they stay
competetive. One top 10 D3 school has 8 goalies in line.
4 Vets, 2 frosh, 2 verbal commits from seniors. Unless one of the
seniors is named TILLMAN they'd better look else where.
Look at their current roster for your position and see how many
seniors there are....talk to the coach.....then decide. A lot of
great players are sitting in the bleachers these days. Good luck
to you all.