NHL PREDICTIONS AND SCORES 07-08

[goalie33fan]

Ok guys. The season is almost about to start and I cant wait.


Lets here those predictions and someone should post the scores every day.

I have high hopes for the Blues as usual. I think with the big roster changes and having a good coach at the start of the season, we can make the playoffs.

The Blues have the goal tending when Manny is on his game and we have the scorers and defense. There is no reason why we wouldn't do good this year and get back on track.




Your thoughts.

[Dadabhoy_Muzzi]

Leafs win the cup. (10)

Pheonix has some really good goaltending. I think they will make a push for the playoffs if they can get some goal scoring. Go Telly!

Toronto has a chance at making the playoffs. First round exist though. They have a really good tandem in Raycroft and Toskala. Lets hope that they will be able to win big games this year.

[goalie33fan]

I'm sorry did you say really good tandem? Ok at best. Razr and Vessa are both inconsistent goalies.

[mnlax9]

my hometown wild will have another good year, but the sabres will be a dominant force again only flaw is ryan millers inconsistensy. My pick for the cup.........................................





Repeat for the ducks

[spyopticgoggles]

rangers vs. red wings with the wings coming out on top...my predictions for the cup final. wings are lookin ok this year, but they will never be the same without shanahan, yzerman and federov.

[Brandon303]

but they will never be the same without shanahan, yzerman and federov.
That's like saying Edmonton was never the same after they lost Gretzky.
Durrr!
Good players come and go. Great players are far more rare.

Senators FTW!

[riddlebox]

Senators FTW!

please please please please don't jinx it!!!!

[laxgoalieking]

They have a really good tandem in Raycroft and Toskala. Lets hope that they will be able to win big games this year.

you forgot teh sarcasim meter. the leafs tending will be the same as last year, no good. i still dont know why they kept "the lamest glove in the east" and not telly. Leafs finish 10th place and darcy tucker scores 13 goals and has his orbital bone shattered by a mats sundin pass.

[windsurfer2191]

Isles anyone? I really hope Teddy can pull it off. I think we have a gritty team but I am not sure if that can translate into wins. Especially the way the Atlantic Division is now.

[truss009]

Part of me wants to say the Sabres, since there near my hometown, byt they gave up too much power this year, and kept guys that IMO are very over rated like Afinegenov. They needed to try and keep either briere or drury. I have faith in the farm club though, bringing up some horses. My other team is the bruins, and even with the 6 foot 7 giant they won't go anywhere.

[townlax]

i have great hopes for the sharks even though their new jerseys are ugly and i wish they had their old ones. im predicting they will make the playoffs.

[zach attack 19]

No love for the Penguins??!!
We've got the greatest, most promising group of young players in the league. now that we've had some playoff experience i predict we go much deeper.

[EastCoastDeft]

No love for the Penguins??!!
We've got the greatest, most promising group of young players in the league. now that we've had some playoff experience i predict we go much deeper.

hence the word young, which often means little to none expirence.

the bruins have a good goalie this year that they stole from the wild , manny fernandez. Also anybody besides me think the bruins should trade Zdeno? hes great, but we need more solid players. And they have a new coach, so who knows what will happen.

The red wings seemed very hot last year, so they''l have yet another great season. by the way,has chris chelios retired yet?

[MainLax28]

The penguins will win the cup, or at least get to the cup finals. I have no doubt about that. Other than that, I am gonna throw it out there that the flyers are gonna be 100x better that last year. One of the best offseason's for them in recent history. I say they go deep into the playoffs. They just need a goalie who isn't butt.

[goalie33fan]

The penguins will win the cup, or at least get to the cup finals. I have no doubt about that. Other than that, I am gonna throw it out there that the flyers are gonna be 100x better that last year. One of the best offseason's for them in recent history. I say they go deep into the playoffs. They just need a goalie who isn't butt.


No way.

They have good players but they wont get to the finals. When you have a 19 year old captain that has been in the NHL for a couple years, you have a problem.

[Meade Lacrosse]

HUGE Caps fan. Ovechkin is easily the most exciting player in the league. Its too bad he doesnt get to pass it around to good players and bump up his assists like Crosby. At least him, Semin, and Backstrom are going to come along this season. The new jerseys are hot too.

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

GO LEAFS GO

My leafs are going to be good this year i think. Sundin+Blake are going to get lots of goals this year. Along with Kyle wellwood who is young and talented. O and Tomas Kaberle, he is nasty. But we need are goaltending to stay consistent, if not, we could have a similar season of the last 2 years

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

you forgot teh sarcasim meter. the leafs tending will be the same as last year, no good. i still dont know why they kept "the lamest glove in the east" and not telly. Leafs finish 10th place and darcy tucker scores 13 goals and has his orbital bone shattered by a mats sundin pass.

Let me guess??? Sens fan? :p

[zach attack 19]

No way.

They have good players but they wont get to the finals. When you have a 19 year old captain that has been in the NHL for a couple years, you have a problem.

ummmm sorry i forgot, who led the ENTIRE league in points last season???? Crosby is the next gretzky, no doubt about it. and that 19 year old captain took a franchise that was absolutely in the gutter and turned it around to a playoff franchise in only 1 season! Pens in the Finals...definetely. mark my words.

[EastCoastDeft]

ummmm sorry i forgot, who led the ENTIRE league in points last season???? Crosby is the next gretzky, no doubt about it. and that 19 year old captain took a franchise that was absolutely in the gutter and turned it around to a playoff franchise in only 1 season! Pens in the Finals...definetely. mark my words.

let me say it again "19 years old" meaning all eyes are on him beacause hes a captian and hes 19. which in translation to him means PRESSURE.

.....pens in cup..... wanna bet their not?

[MainLax28]

No, the Penguins will get into the finals unless they suffer heavy losses from injury. They have too many young, strong players that have been trained for the new NHL. They have so much depth. Every game I watched of theirs last year you had guys from every line scoring. Granted Crosby is amazing, and has most of their points, they are still a strong, and good team.

Also please note this is coming from someone who hates Crosby, and really the Penguins. C'mon they are major rivals with the Flyers. You just can't not recognize that they are going to go far this year.

And since when did the Bruins get Fernandez? I haven't been keeping up on any pro teams for a while. Can't wait for fantasy to start

[EastCoastDeft]

And since when did the Bruins get Fernandez? I haven't been keeping up on any pro teams for a while. Can't wait for fantasy to start

they got fernandez a while back. what fantasy league are you in?

[flyersrule9733]

i think the flyers have a great chance this year. they still have thier young core intact (carter, richards, umberger, nitty, etc) and they added a lot of veteran talent and leadership (timmonen, smith) and of course DANIEL BRIERE! i think we could have an amazing year if the defense can stay healthy and strong and if the goalies can be consistant.

and if anyone needs people for a fantasy league, pm me and ill join

[navylax161]

the bruins are going to dominate and win the stanley cup (10). i wish...

[EastCoastDeft]

the bruins are going to dominate and win the stanley cup (10). i wish...

i like your sense of humor:agree: . the fylers pretty much have the same players as last year, so i wouldnt except alot. the goalie nittyaki i think is really inconsistent and gets injured....semi-alot.

im surprised nobody has talked about the ducks...or marc-aundre Fluere (penguins)

without marc-aundre-fleure the penguins wouldnt have a chance at the cup. if you really think about it they wouldnt, just think of them having tim thomas they'd get murdered. discuss.

p.s. im a complete beast at this fantasy thing

[goalie33fan]

ummmm sorry i forgot, who led the ENTIRE league in points last season???? Crosby is the next gretzky, no doubt about it. and that 19 year old captain took a franchise that was absolutely in the gutter and turned it around to a playoff franchise in only 1 season! Pens in the Finals...definetely. mark my words.

It doesn't matter who lead the league in points. The only thing that means is that you you have a high point leader.

He took them out of the gutter? He played a part in it but it wasn't just him. The team also has M-A Fleury, Malkin, and Staal which are all very good young players in the public eye. Also, his rookie year they were like in second to last place so it took more than a year.

He is to young to b a captain. He may have the skill but he doesn't have the experience yet.

No body will ever touch Gretzkys numbers.

Finally, Ovechkin is better then Crosby. Lets here your argument now.

[CtLaxin]

ummmm sorry i forgot, who led the ENTIRE league in points last season???? Crosby is the next gretzky, no doubt about it. and that 19 year old captain took a franchise that was absolutely in the gutter and turned it around to a playoff franchise in only 1 season! Pens in the Finals...definetely. mark my words.


hahaha the next gretzky yea right. Gretzky played in a time when the NHL was flourishing and the talent was at a whole nother level crosby plays in an un popular (no offense to all of you but it is the least watched pro sport of the main ones) and relatively less talented league. While there may be some good players, much of them are past their prime


o yea by the way im not the biggest fan of hockey anymore so I might not be right about the talent, but it sure looks like the way I said it

[spyopticgoggles]

That's like saying Edmonton was never the same after they lost Gretzky.
Durrr!
Good players come and go. Great players are far more rare.

Senators FTW!

yzerman was a great player, and shanahan was a little better than good, and federov was good.

[CTLaxer]

I don't think anyone can disagree that the Rangers are loaded this year. They've got a great bunch of young guys (lundquist, prucha, jessiman, montoya, etc). With their offseason acquisitions along with the players they retained (jagr, shanny, drury, gomes, the list goes on), they should definately go far. The problem is this can be said about just about any ranger team in the last 15 years. It should be a good year for the blueshirts, with a deep run into the playoffs this year I think.

[goalie33fan]

If the vets stay healthy and if Jagr gets that point a game they could possibly get the cup.

[Meade Lacrosse]

Ovechkin>Crosby

[zach attack 19]

Crosby: In 160 GP in 2 seasons-- 75 G, 147 A, 222 Pts, +9, has been to the playoffs.

Ovechkin: In 163 GP in 2 Seasons-- 98 G, 100 A, 198 Pts, -17, has not been to the playoffs.

Crosby>Ovechkin

And you are right the points aren't all that matter. The playoffs are. I'm sick of hearing about Ovechkin and his stupid visor and unibrow.

[goalie33fan]

Crosby: In 160 GP in 2 seasons-- 75 G, 147 A, 222 Pts, +9, has been to the playoffs.

Ovechkin: In 163 GP in 2 Seasons-- 98 G, 100 A, 198 Pts, -17, has not been to the playoffs.

Crosby>Ovechkin

And you are right the points aren't all that matter. The playoffs are. I'm sick of hearing about Ovechkin and his stupid visor and unibrow.

You should try to find numbers on hits to.

Ovechkin is an all around player. Hits, scores, passes, and moves like none other.

Alfredsson was once asked a question. Who do you think is better? Crosby or Ovechkin?

"Ovechkin because he doesn't cry when he gets hit."


What does a visor and unibrow have to do with anything?

Also, who was there to help Ovechkin other than Zubrus? No body. Now its just Ovechkin because they traded Zubrus.


Crosby has... Staal, Whitney, Malkin, Fluery, and Gonchar.


Playoffs matter to a certain extent. You can come in there in your first year as a team and win it. Like the 1996 Avs. And you can not win a cup within 25 consecutive years of being in the playoffs. Like the Blues. There is one thing all the cup winning teams have in common. They all have experience in the game and a bunch of people who has come so close to winning that cup they can just feel it in there hands as the other team lifts it in there tears of sadness.

To sum it all up. If the Pens win the cup, you can punch me right in the balls.

[zach attack 19]

making the pens a better team, i might add...the very point i was defending in the first place. like i said, i don't really care about how many hits ovechkin has...has he ever been to the playoffs! no. end note, pens will make a run at the cup...caps won't.

[goalie33fan]

making the pens a better team, i might add...the very point i was defending in the first place. like i said, i don't really care about how many hits ovechkin has...has he ever been to the playoffs! no. end note, pens will make a run at the cup...caps won't.

Sure they might make the playoffs but a run for the cup is out of the question.


I know you don't like Ovechkin but the whole thing of not being in the playoffs isn't his fault. One man can't carry a team to the playoffs. And one playoff trip isn't something gloat about. When they hit 10. Then you can gloat.


You never answered all of my questions I had.

[zach attack 19]

If youre still on the forums in ten years, i'll be glad to gloat about the pens. and i forgot to add that i don't care about what alfredsson has to say. period. And i just think ovechkin comes off as a HUGE premadonna with the dark visor...i don't really know why i brought that up. pens fans just love trashing him i guess....what can i say?

[goalie33fan]

If youre still on the forums in ten years, i'll be glad to gloat about the pens. and i forgot to add that i don't care about what alfredsson has to say. period. And i just think ovechkin comes off as a HUGE premadonna with the dark visor...i don't really know why i brought that up. pens fans just love trashing him i guess....what can i say?

Are you telling me that you don't think the mirrored visor and thick unibrow looks sick?:naughty:

[zach attack 19]

Are you telling me that you don't think the mirrored visor and thick unibrow looks sick?:naughty:


haha you would think it looks sick. but serioulsy the uni looks S-I-C-K literally...not in a "cool" way.

[goalie33fan]

haha you would think it looks sick. but serioulsy the uni looks S-I-C-K literally...not in a "cool" way.

unibrows are grose but the visor is cool because a defense men cant see his eyes.

[spyopticgoggles]

unibrows are grose but the visor is cool because a defense men cant see his eyes.

a good defenseman doesnt need to see his eyes to know where hes going.

[MainLax28]

Yeah, if anything that helps defensemen.

If anyone wants to do a fantasy league this year, post in here for interest. Note* I was involved in a team fixing scam two years ago, but I have definately matured over that level since then. Nothing like that will happen. Anyone who interested, just post in here.

[Dadabhoy_Muzzi]

you forgot teh sarcasim meter. the leafs tending will be the same as last year, no good. i still dont know why they kept "the lamest glove in the east" and not telly. Leafs finish 10th place and darcy tucker scores 13 goals and has his orbital bone shattered by a mats sundin pass.


Goaltending might be a bit better then last year. At least we wont have to see glove shots go in a lot. Telly > Aubin in my mind.

[goalie33fan]

a good defenseman doesnt need to see his eyes to know where hes going.

Yes and know. You can always predict and watch shoulders but a good player learns how to not use those tells that would give him away. Thats how he always finds the open space to take a shot.

[mnlax9]

If youre still on the forums in ten years, i'll be glad to gloat about the pens. and i forgot to add that i don't care about what alfredsson has to say. period. And i just think ovechkin comes off as a HUGE premadonna with the dark visor...i don't really know why i brought that up. pens fans just love trashing him i guess....what can i say?



stop talking about the pens. they arent very good considering theres more than just offense in hockey.. they have good offensive power ya we all know sidney crosby, evgeni malkin, recchi, malone

. look at defense there best defensman is darryl sydor who is a 37 years old which iss way to old for a defensmean. They have marc eaton, not good at all. and then goaltending. Marc andre fleury is very very very very X10 inconsistent.

so what im saying is yes they will make a run for the playoffs, only thing stoppinfg them is what is said ^^^^

[EastCoastDeft]

37 isnt old for the NHL. chelios is what 46-47?

hey mainlax28. yo soy muy interesante about the fantasy thing. PM or IM me.

[bethesdagoalie]

RANGERS ALL THE WAY

[CoUgArLAX18]

Anyone for the Avalanche? They have pretty sturdy defense with Liles, Leopold, Sauer, and Skrastins. They can also put the puck in the net with Sakic, Hejduk, Svatos, and now they have Ryan Smyth. Their success is going to lie on goaltending. Will Theodore have a good year and can Budaj back him up when he's not going so hot?

[EastCoastDeft]

^^^ good point, but theodore, once he starts to get in a slump cant get out. ryan smyth will be one of the 08 point leaders for sure. avalanche has a very good chance at making the playoffs with that roster

[flyersrule9733]

i like your sense of humor:agree: . the fylers pretty much have the same players as last year, so i wouldnt except alot. the goalie nittyaki i think is really inconsistent and gets injured....semi-alot.

are u joking or do u just not know anything about the flyers/hockey

hmmm, so even though they added DANIEL BRIERE, kimmo timmonen, scott hartnell, joffrey Lupul, and jason smith, their team is basically the same? there are 2 all-stars (briere, timmonen) and 2 captains and an assistant from their old teams (timmonen, smith, briere).

and nittymaki does not really get injured often. he is still young as has a ton of potential. and did you forget about biron too? those 2 will split time, biron probably getting a little more.

i could talk about them for hours and know more then most people, so dont say they are gonna be the exact same if you dont know

[EastCoastDeft]

are u joking or do u just not know anything about the flyers/hockey

hmmm, so even though they added DANIEL BRIERE, kimmo timmonen, scott hartnell, joffrey Lupul, and jason smith, their team is basically the same? there are 2 all-stars (briere, timmonen) and 2 captains and an assistant from their old teams (timmonen, smith, briere).

and nittymaki does not really get injured often. he is still young as has a ton of potential. and did you forget about biron too? those 2 will split time, biron probably getting a little more.

i could talk about them for hours and know more then most people, so dont say they are gonna be the exact same if you dont know

yikes!! i knew they had dan briere, but when did they get those other guys,over the summer? and biron?? last year when i watched the flyers they didnt use nitymaki as much as they should. and a couple of the games they said he was injured. i guess i better do a little more research about the flyers. sorry bro

[flyersrule9733]

yikes!! i knew they had dan briere, but when did they get those other guys,over the summer? and biron?? last year when i watched the flyers they didnt use nitymaki as much as they should. and a couple of the games they said he was injured. i guess i better do a little more research about the flyers. sorry bro

biron was the middle of last season and the others were last spring/beginning of summer

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

The Flyers will be decent this year, briere is really good

[DanTheMan]

championship game-
redwings:1}
avalance:0}highest scoring game of the year

[RaiderLax17]

I'm hoping my Avs at least make the playoffs this year. It was really depressing to see them not even get to the post-season last year. I'm still a bit nervous with Budaj and Theodore. When they're on their game, they're both great goalies, but their inconsistency is a real problem.

[flyersrule9733]

37 isnt old for the NHL. chelios is what 46-47?


37 is pretty old. there are very few guys who can still play at that age, and those guys are usually great leaders, like chelios, and stay in the league because of it. but they are never the #1 defencemen

[MainLax28]

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id is: 35119
the password: ochs

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[EastCoastDeft]

haha flyersrule youll love this. the past week steve downie did an illegal body check by jumping off the ice to hit dean mcammond. he got a 20 game suspension (i think). heres the youtube link.http://youtube.com/watch?v=HerZdQmigLs

[Brandon303]

i think the flyers have a great chance this year. they still have thier young core intact (carter, richards, umberger, nitty, etc) and they added a lot of veteran talent and leadership (timmonen, smith) and of course DANIEL BRIERE! i think we could have an amazing year if the defense can stay healthy and strong and if the goalies can be consistant.

and if anyone needs people for a fantasy league, pm me and ill join
Really? Because I remember them finishing dead last in the entire NHL. Big whoop they got one good player (Briere). But, this is very similar to when the acquired Forsberg and remember where that got them? That's right, no where.

I say the Flyers don't make the play-offs again. And by the way, Sens unbeaten in the pre-season (yes, I know only pre-season but it's promising).

[Brandon303]

haha flyersrule youll love this. the past week steve downie did an illegal body check by jumping off the ice to hit dean mcammond. he got a 20 game suspension (i think). heres the youtube link.http://youtube.com/watch?v=HerZdQmigLs
The suspension would actually be effective if the guy had enough talent to make an NHL team. Sadly, he won't and he may have permeantly tainted a veteran NHLer's career (with the 2 concussions in a row and all, it can only lead to more).

By the way, check out some other Steve Downie vids on YouTube. This guy is the dirtiest player, a total nut-job.

[flyersrule9733]

Really? Because I remember them finishing dead last in the entire NHL. Big whoop they got one good player (Briere). But, this is very similar to when the acquired Forsberg and remember where that got them? That's right, no where.

I say the Flyers don't make the play-offs again. And by the way, Sens unbeaten in the pre-season (yes, I know only pre-season but it's promising).


they also have a very strong young core, specifically carter, richards, umberger, hartnell, upshall, potulny, lupol, kukkonen, coburn, and jones. these are all guys who are 26 or under and in their first couple years in the league and only getting better. their main problems last year were a lack of veteran leadership and experience, and some problems on offense.

they got tons of leadership + experience and all of those young guys are a year older and have one more year of NHL experience.

i dont see how you can say this team still sucks.



and that downie hit was crazy, but not right and he deserved the suspension

[Brandon303]

they also have a very strong young core, specifically carter, richards, umberger, hartnell, upshall, potulny, lupol, kukkonen, coburn, and jones. these are all guys who are 26 or under and in their first couple years in the league and only getting better. their main problems last year were a lack of veteran leadership and experience, and some problems on offense.

they got tons of leadership + experience and all of those young guys are a year older and have one more year of NHL experience.

i dont see how you can say this team still sucks.



and that downie hit was crazy, but not right and he deserved the suspension
Well, I suppose only time will tell.

Good luck to your Flyers. We shall hopefully see you in the play-offs, afterwards (4 games afterwards) I will thank you for allowing us to advance to the cup finals again.

:clap:

[laxgoalieking]

brandon, your not a sens fan at all are you?

If you look at all the messed up things that have happened in downioes personal life, you get a clearer picture of why he plays the way he does. He has way more talent then either of the sens "tough guys"combined. The windsor incident, that kid was had been trouble since bantam.As far as the suspension, you try and say thats as bad as the bretuzi incident, even with sens coloured glasses on you wont be able to.

anyway leafs finish 11th on the east, and pogge ends up being the best tender.

[flyersrule9733]

Well, I suppose only time will tell.

Good luck to your Flyers. We shall hopefully see you in the play-offs, afterwards (4 games afterwards) I will thank you for allowing us to advance to the cup finals again.

:clap:


we will see. i actually think im going to the first flyers/senators game in philly. either in the beginning of the season or near the end, i forget

[Brandon303]

brandon, your not a sens fan at all are you?

If you look at all the messed up things that have happened in downioes personal life, you get a clearer picture of why he plays the way he does. He has way more talent then either of the sens "tough guys"combined. The windsor incident, that kid was had been trouble since bantam.As far as the suspension, you try and say thats as bad as the bretuzi incident, even with sens coloured glasses on you wont be able to.

anyway leafs finish 11th on the east, and pogge ends up being the best tender.
You've figured out I'm a Sens fan this late? You must be part of Leafs nation then :chuckle:

I'm not saying it was the dirtiest hit of all time at all (and the Bertuzzi hit was obviously much worse). All I'm saying is that it was a shame that a guy with little talent just screwed an NHL vet who now might have concussion problems (getting them easier as he gets more, eventually ending his career). I know I'm just making assumptions but many NHLers do go down the concussion alley, never to be the same again (Eric Lindros).

And you can't say you'd trade Chris Neil for Downie.

[laxgoalieking]

You've figured out I'm a Sens fan this late? You must be part of Leafs nation then :chuckle:

I'm not saying it was the dirtiest hit of all time at all (and the Bertuzzi hit was obviously much worse). All I'm saying is that it was a shame that a guy with little talent just screwed an NHL vet who now might have concussion problems (getting them easier as he gets more, eventually ending his career). I know I'm just making assumptions but many NHLers do go down the concussion alley, never to be the same again (Eric Lindros).

And you can't say you'd trade Chris Neil for Downie.

eric lindros? isnt he that goof that never learned to skae with his head up? He used to be a genny, a good one, real prick though.

I'd trade neil for a water bottle full of spit and a bucket of warmup pucks.

[zach attack 19]

hey did anyone see who usa today picked to win the cup?? i know it probably doesnt mean anything but its still good to see my pens getting some national attention. and the flyers making the playoffs is a joke. they have some great talent on that team but those are only a few pieces of the puzzle. obviously, after their trainwreck of a season last year, the problem lies within the organization. management, coaching, player developement...it takes more than a few good players to make a team great.

PENS WIN THE CUP!

[Meade Lacrosse]

If Crosby keeps passing to players better than him, then sure, the Pens might make the playoffs. Win the Cup? The Steelers are more likely to win their 6th Superbowl.

I just saw the Downie hit. I think its becoming a trend for no talent players trying to take out actual Athletes. 20 games isn't enough. He'll have a cross hair on him the next time they play.

[EastCoastDeft]

ya steve downie is a loony tune for sure. In a ahl practice/tryout he cross checked his own teammate in the face. he lost like 4 teeth.

[Meade Lacrosse]

Someone should have kicked in in the throat with their skate while he was down. He's one of the few people in the world who deserves it.

[flyersrule9733]

hey did anyone see who usa today picked to win the cup?? i know it probably doesnt mean anything but its still good to see my pens getting some national attention. and the flyers making the playoffs is a joke. they have some great talent on that team but those are only a few pieces of the puzzle. obviously, after their trainwreck of a season last year, the problem lies within the organization. management, coaching, player developement...it takes more than a few good players to make a team great.

PENS WIN THE CUP!

the penguins have crosby, malkin, stall, and a bunch of average guys

[zach attack 19]

the penguins have crosby, malkin, stall, and a bunch of average guys

well, those guys and their average teammates killed the flyers last year. and we're the ones makin the playoffs next year, youre not.

[Meade Lacrosse]

Why WERE the Flyers terrible last year? And considering the huge improvements the Flyers have made, my money is on them, not a team with Aging Veterans making 3 kids look better than they actually are.

[flyersrule9733]

well, those guys and their average teammates killed the flyers last year. and we're the ones makin the playoffs next year, youre not.

you know nothing about hockey, besides that you are a penguins fan so you say that they penguins will automatically win. get some actually reasons

[flyersrule9733]

downie was just suspended for the first month of the AHL season for the hit

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-flyers-downiesuspended&prov=ap&type=lgns

[laxgoalieking]

What i dont understand is how people can call down unskilled, HE PLAYED FOR THE BEST JUNIOR TEAM IN THE WORLD! Espeacily since mccamond is what not even a consistnat 20 goal scorer? Apperently if you chasse a guy around the ice klober him unconcious and break his neck landing on him you'll serve less time then if you body check someone. Not saying he didnt deserve a suspension but 20! try 3, 5 at the max!

PENS? not a chance the only player with the same amount of heart as skill is staal. And heart is the only thing that wins game 7 of lord stanley's final, Which is why ottawa, montreal, and toronto wont win a cup this year or anytime soon.

[EastCoastDeft]

downie is MOST DEFINETLEY A HUGE loss for the flyers( even if hes an alternate). when play offs come guess who theyre gonna call up for their hitting line?? Steven downie for sure.

[flyersrule9733]

downie is MOST DEFINETLEY A HUGE loss for the flyers( even if hes an alternate). when play offs come guess who theyre gonna call up for their hitting line?? Steven downie for sure.

yes a loss, but not a HUGE loss. its a checking line, and they have plenty of guys like eager

and its the first month, not the playoffs

[Meade Lacrosse]

So, according to LaxGoalieKing, pathetically taking out a player doesn't warrant 20 games? It does. It very much does. Those kind of hits aren't in the least bit tolerated. How rarely do you see someone elbow someone whose in front of them? There is nothing but malicious intent when you elbow they guys in front of you. You're elbow can be accidentally used if someone is behind you, and you raise it too early. But sticking your elbow out in front of you means you're doing your best to hurt this guy.

The way Downie elbowed McCammond is on the same level as Chris Simon's hit. It was pathetic, it was absolutely blatant, it was done by a mediocre player whose never going to amount to much else in the league, and it displayed absolutely no room for accident whatsoever. To say so otherwise is foolish.

[sidewinder19]

New Jersey anyone? now that Sutter is coaching (brent, that is) they have the best coach, by far, in the league. The best goaltending in the league, without a doubt. And then after that.....uhhh..... Parise, Zajac, Elias, then a whole lot of mediocre guys....


(i swear i am missing one of the big names)

[mnlax9]

New Jersey anyone? now that Sutter is coaching (brent, that is) they have the best coach, by far, in the league. The best goaltending in the league, without a doubt. And then after that.....uhhh..... Parise, Zajac, Elias, then a whole lot of mediocre guys....


(i swear i am missing one of the big names)



i agree with you that they good goaltending, probably the best but not without a doubt.

Im just saying that Roberto Luongo is in the NHL along with Mikka Kippursoff

[jofc]

Not saying he didnt deserve a suspension but 20! try 3, 5 at the max!


Exactly. It was a body check that went a little too high. There was no intent for sirius injury, when you hit somebody you want to knock them over, injuring them is just an added bonus. Scott Stevens layed several worse hits then that and the longest suspenion he ever received was less then 10 games. What the NHL is saying by giving Downie a 20-game suspension is that his hit is just as bad as Bertuzzi's and that's just asinine.

[Meade Lacrosse]

I agree with mnlax. They definately have some of the best goaltending ever, but not the clear cut best. Luongo could certainly change that.

and i'm not sure if they even have the best coach, let alone the best coach by far.

[laxgoalieking]

new jersey? the only other team a tender weaker then their is toronto. Brouder gives up "fluock"goals all teh time, what most dont relise is that thos are fluocks their regular Brouder goals.



As far as elbowing goes, you've obviously ever seen a real canadian junior hockey game. The games physicle and the NHL has teried to kill that to make it more american family freindly(watch the movie SlapShot II)

[Meade Lacrosse]

Could you try to speak english? My spell check doesn't recognize fluck, fluocks, Brouder, teh, not to mention a whole array of grammatical errors.

And if elbowing is legal in Canada to the extent that Downie used it, than I'm glad nobody cares about Junior Hockey.

[mnlax9]

i think what he was attempting to say is that toronto is the only team with weaker goaltending??? Which i definalty disagree with. Andrew Raycroft isnt exactly what i would call weak. he is actually pretty good, and i think the whole elbowing thing doesnt really matter

[flyersrule9733]

lol, spell check is pretty cool thing laxgoalieking.

you can not say that that hit was totally legal. it didnt deserve 20 games but it was illegal without a doubt.

[mnlax9]

New Jersey anyone? now that Sutter is coaching (brent, that is) they have the best coach, by far, in the league. The best goaltending in the league, without a doubt. And then after that.....uhhh..... Parise, Zajac, Elias, then a whole lot of mediocre guys....


(i swear i am missing one of the big names)



your only missing Gionta

[laxgoalieking]

Could you try to speak english? My spell check doesn't recognize fluck, fluocks, Brouder, teh, not to mention a whole array of grammatical errors.

And if elbowing is legal in Canada to the extent that Downie used it, than I'm glad nobody cares about Junior Hockey.

I'm glad we have so many english majors on this site, you can all really help clean it up.

As far as junior hockey goes, how many guys go to the nhl without playing some form of junior? Not many, and the ones that do are usualy from US colleges and end up playing 3rd string tender,4th line, or in the AHL.Of course elbowing isnt legal, but you dont have your named draged through the mud and barred from the game for 20 days for delivering an very nice, crowd raising hit.


Toronto has very weak goaltending, I love rayzor he just has an extremely weak glove. This new guy they signed to be #1 is on the bench right now. watch 10 games Marty Brouder plays and watch every goal that gets by him 85% of the time it will be a bad goal. Its not hard to look good when you have 5 team mates standing on the blue line forcing the dump 'n chase.

[zach attack 19]

you know nothing about hockey, besides that you are a penguins fan so you say that they penguins will automatically win. get some actually reasons

dude, obviously you are the one who is clueless about hockey if you think your beloved flyers are going somewhere soon. and you dont know me, don't tell me how much i know about hockey...cause chances are i know a little more than you and feel i dont really need to prove it. i guess in response to your second point...ill give you eight reasons, every time we have the pleasure of kickin your flyers' @#$ this season. 'nuff said.

[flyersrule9733]

dude, obviously you are the one who is clueless about hockey if you think your beloved flyers are going somewhere soon. and you dont know me, don't tell me how much i know about hockey...cause chances are i know a little more than you and feel i dont really need to prove it. i guess in response to your second point...ill give you eight reasons, every time we have the pleasure of kickin your flyers' @#$ this season. 'nuff said.

at least i can explain why i think they will and there are plenty of people who agree with me. until you actually give an actual reason besides saying that the penguins beat the flyers. give me a reason of how you know more then me, until then you dont

[BoiledEggs]

at least i can explain why i think they will and there are plenty of people who agree with me. until you actually give an actual reason besides saying that the penguins beat the flyers. give me a reason of how you know more then me, until then you dont

Anytime you bring in that many new players it takes a while to gell. It could take the first 20 games and by that time it might be to late. Thats why i dont have high hopes on the islanders, nor should I.

And the whole crosby ovechkin deal. If i was building a team i'd take crosby, but ovechkin is a better goal scorer.

The cups going to be rangers/penguins vs Wild/sharks.

[goalie33fan]

stastny is doing wonders for my fantasy.:roll:

[Brandon303]

Sens over the Leafs 4-3 in OT.

VERY NICE!

[laxgoalieking]

the first 2 games never mean anything since both teams usualy start 1-1 after beating eachother.

[Meade Lacrosse]

I'm glad we have so many english majors on this site, you can all really help clean it up.

As far as junior hockey goes, how many guys go to the nhl without playing some form of junior? Not many, and the ones that do are usualy from US colleges and end up playing 3rd string tender,4th line, or in the AHL.Of course elbowing isnt legal, but you dont have your named draged through the mud and barred from the game for 20 days for delivering an very nice, crowd raising hit.


Toronto has very weak goaltending, I love rayzor he just has an extremely weak glove. This new guy they signed to be #1 is on the bench right now. watch 10 games Marty Brouder plays and watch every goal that gets by him 85% of the time it will be a bad goal. Its not hard to look good when you have 5 team mates standing on the blue line forcing the dump 'n chase.

So Downie's hit was "very nice," and "crowd raising,"?

For the anatomy challenged, the elbow is on the BACK of the arm. In order to hit someone in front of you with said body part, you would have to make an extremely conscious effort to do so. In other words, there is very little room for accident when that hit happens. Nothing but malicious intent came from that hit. He pulled out his elbow, he went high, and in short, he proved that he's just some potential-less kid trying to get everybody's attention

Its interesting, though, that this wasn't the first time Downie showed the Man in him.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aQ4RkHbMeqk&mode=related&search=

He's quite the Crowd Pleaser, that one.

dude, obviously you are the one who is clueless about hockey if you think your beloved flyers are going somewhere soon. and you dont know me, don't tell me how much i know about hockey...cause chances are i know a little more than you and feel i dont really need to prove it. i guess in response to your second point...ill give you eight reasons, every time we have the pleasure of kickin your flyers' @#$ this season. 'nuff said.

Once again, you fail to sound like anything but a mindless hooligan. Saying "Haha, we'll kick your asterisks this season because last year you guys were terrible," would make one think that you're not that educated in hockey, yet you expect us to all bow down to your superior hockey knowledge.

I'm far from a Flyers fan, but at least he makes an intelligent effort on his argument.

The reason why everybody dislikes the Pens isn't because Crosby racks up the assists by passing to more talented players, but that they have ignorant fans like yourself making extremely irrational assumptions such as their Destiny to win the Stanley Cup within the next 3 years.

[crazylegs]

ya I'll tell you what I'm actually another one that is pretty high on the Pens this year. Their biggest question mark is in goal, if Fluery can give them championship type goaltending they honestly could go to the finals this year, but he is very inconsistant and I don't know if he can pull some games out for them in the playoffs. He is very good but I don't think he is a championship type goalie.

Their three centers of crosbey, malkin and staal is retarded, I think malkin is going to be a 50+ goal scorer this year and the signing of sykora should turn out to be a good one. He's going to play RW on crosbey's line and might be the finisher crosbey has been waiting for, the Pens have never had a guy that could play with crosbey yet. With the talent they have on the roster they have the potential to be very good and if they do get that championship type of goaltending this team really could be a dynasty over the next 5-7 years. But I'm going to say they lose in the semi's this year.

[RaiderLax17]

Solid win from the Avs last night. Although I was getting worried in the third period when Dallas scored those two goals. Oh well, they won and that's what matters. Budaj looked solid too.

[mnlax9]

wild are lookin goo. solid first 2 lines and one of the bets fighters to keep maron Gaborik from gettin killed.

lets go wild

[flyersrule9733]

ya I'll tell you what I'm actually another one that is pretty high on the Pens this year. Their biggest question mark is in goal, if Fluery can give them championship type goaltending they honestly could go to the finals this year, but he is very inconsistant and I don't know if he can pull some games out for them in the playoffs. He is very good but I don't think he is a championship type goalie.


i actually like liked fluery a lot. he is a young guy who was pretty inconsistent last year. but when he was playing well he was extremely good. as he gets older he will get more and more consistent and will be a very good goalie



and i mostly agree with meade about downie. just one thing though, i dont think he was going in with the mindset that "i dont think im that good so im just gonna go hurt this guy". i think he knew he needed to show the coaches that he can play, he wanted to get one of those sportscenter top ten hits, but it just got a little out of hand. its only 20 games and he is still a young guy and could easily turn it around and get back in the NHL

[Brandon303]

the first 2 games never mean anything since both teams usualy start 1-1 after beating eachother.
Not this year.

3-2 O-town...

By the way laxgoalieking, what team are you cheering for?

[flyersrule9733]

daniel briere scores 3 minutes into the game for his first goal as a flyer!

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

Daniel Briere is going to really help out the flyers, great player

[mnlax9]

niklas backstrom niklas backstrom niklas backstrom

wild win 1-0

[zach attack 19]

So Downie's hit was "very nice," and "crowd raising,"?

For the anatomy challenged, the elbow is on the BACK of the arm. In order to hit someone in front of you with said body part, you would have to make an extremely conscious effort to do so. In other words, there is very little room for accident when that hit happens. Nothing but malicious intent came from that hit. He pulled out his elbow, he went high, and in short, he proved that he's just some potential-less kid trying to get everybody's attention

Its interesting, though, that this wasn't the first time Downie showed the Man in him.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aQ4RkHbMeqk&mode=related&search=

He's quite the Crowd Pleaser, that one.



Once again, you fail to sound like anything but a mindless hooligan. Saying "Haha, we'll kick your asterisks this season because last year you guys were terrible," would make one think that you're not that educated in hockey, yet you expect us to all bow down to your superior hockey knowledge.

I'm far from a Flyers fan, but at least he makes an intelligent effort on his argument.

The reason why everybody dislikes the Pens isn't because Crosby racks up the assists by passing to more talented players, but that they have ignorant fans like yourself making extremely irrational assumptions such as their Destiny to win the Stanley Cup within the next 3 years.

wow! mindless? hooligan? destiny? irrational? you really broke out the webster's dictionary for that post huh? is that all i need to do to prove i know hockey, is use words like 'irrational' and 'assumptions'? you go and read any paper or watch any television program and a respected hockey guru will tell you that the pens are one of the best team in the league right now. I'm just a Pens fan, and i'll argue them to the death.

[Meade Lacrosse]

I'm sorry I used words that are far too large for your vocabulary.

What you're doing is the truest form of arguing- you're saying whatever comes to mind, and have no intention of actually proving it. Statistics, projections, and history are all very very very good indicators of potential success. Saying "Haha, my Pens are going to the playoffs, Flyers aren't" doesn't fit into any of those categories.

I truly don't have a problem with the Penguins, other than the friendly rivalry they share with the Caps ,which is really just Ovechkin vs. Crosby. But when people fail to actually prove anything and are hellbent on telling other people off while, once again, failing to display any actual intelligence is very frustrating.

niklas backstrom niklas backstrom niklas backstrom

wild win 1-0


So are you a Caps fan or a Wild fan? I have respect for the Wild because of Gaborik, but I hate their jersey. At least, the colored one.

[CTLaxer]

Rangers 5 - Panthers 2. Blueshirts came out strong, scoring within the first minute of play, but ended up looking flat and unmotivated for the next period and a half. Third period saw 4 goals from the Rangers after being down 1-2, 2 of which came within 12 seconds of eachother.

An exciting game, despite moments of laziness, the rangers looked good. Gomez and Drury looked like they're gonna fit in well, Lundqvist looked great. All and all, a decent start to the season for Rangers fans. 3-0 in the last three season openers I believe.

[EastCoastDeft]

bruins are on tonite against the stars. that will be tough one. any comments? i cant wait to see our new goalie play

[playwithpride14]

Tampa Bay is definetly gonig to give everyone a run for thier money. Leclavier and St. Louis jsut click. It's impossible to stop them.

i have high hopes for the devils this year. They picked up Asham so thats good. ALso got some other guys.

Unfortunatly, the Rangers. Gomez, Drury, Jagr, Shannahon.. the list goes on. They also have solid goaltending.

Not sure about Philly. They're getting better. Blues look alot better too.

[flyersrule9733]

Rangers 5 - Panthers 2. Blueshirts came out strong, scoring within the first minute of play, but ended up looking flat and unmotivated for the next period and a half. Third period saw 4 goals from the Rangers after being down 1-2, 2 of which came within 12 seconds of eachother.

An exciting game, despite moments of laziness, the rangers looked good. Gomez and Drury looked like they're gonna fit in well, Lundqvist looked great. All and all, a decent start to the season for Rangers fans. 3-0 in the last three season openers I believe.


yea im pretty scared of the rangers right now as a flyers fan. if they can work hard the whole game they have a ton of talent and can be real dangerous

[mnlax9]

I'm sorry I used words that are far too large for your vocabulary.

What you're doing is the truest form of arguing- you're saying whatever comes to mind, and have no intention of actually proving it. Statistics, projections, and history are all very very very good indicators of potential success. Saying "Haha, my Pens are going to the playoffs, Flyers aren't" doesn't fit into any of those categories.

I truly don't have a problem with the Penguins, other than the friendly rivalry they share with the Caps ,which is really just Ovechkin vs. Crosby. But when people fail to actually prove anything and are hellbent on telling other people off while, once again, failing to display any actual intelligence is very frustrating.




So are you a Caps fan or a Wild fan? I have respect for the Wild because of Gaborik, but I hate their jersey. At least, the colored one.



i am hardcore wild fan. what made you think caps?


is it cause of niklas backstrom? he his minneostas goalie.

last year

22-8-3
1.97 GAA
.934 save percentage
5 shutouts

[sidewinder19]

i agree with you that they good goaltending, probably the best but not without a doubt.

Im just saying that Roberto Luongo is in the NHL along with Mikka Kippursoff

Don't get me wrong, there are good goalies out there, none that even compare though.

Roberto Luongo though? Let's not even open that can of worms... Worst rebound control in the history of hockey.

new jersey? the only other team a tender weaker then their is toronto. Brouder gives up "fluock"goals all teh time, what most dont relise is that thos are fluocks their regular Brouder goals.

As far as elbowing goes, you've obviously ever seen a real canadian junior hockey game. The games physicle and the NHL has teried to kill that to make it more american family freindly(watch the movie SlapShot II)

There are so many things wrong with what you said about Brodeur, he is by far the best tender in the league. Those "fluke" goals, are only because the rest of his team are so bad (defense men really) that he made 3,4,5, even 6 stops before that goal went in. Seriously, saying that about Brodeur is like saying Gretzky was the worst player ever. It's such a mis statement that the only way to take it is as a joke.

I do agree with your second statement, on the other hand.

Could you try to speak english? My spell check doesn't recognize fluck, fluocks, Brouder, teh, not to mention a whole array of grammatical errors.

And if elbowing is legal in Canada to the extent that Downie used it, than I'm glad nobody cares about Junior Hockey.

I'm sorry but there was no elbow in the Downie hit. It was like shoulder/hip on shoulder/hip. And i am pretty sure people care a lot about Junior hockey. i wonder where all the good players in the NHL come from....? WHL, which is junior...durrrr...!

your only missing Gionta

Thanks You.

I'm glad we have so many english majors on this site, you can all really help clean it up.

As far as junior hockey goes, how many guys go to the nhl without playing some form of junior? Not many, and the ones that do are usualy from US colleges and end up playing 3rd string tender,4th line, or in the AHL.Of course elbowing isnt legal, but you dont have your named draged through the mud and barred from the game for 20 days for delivering an very nice, crowd raising hit.


Toronto has very weak goaltending, I love rayzor he just has an extremely weak glove. This new guy they signed to be #1 is on the bench right now. watch 10 games Marty Brouder plays and watch every goal that gets by him 85% of the time it will be a bad goal. Its not hard to look good when you have 5 team mates standing on the blue line forcing the dump 'n chase.

And how many goals will he let in in those 10 games...? somewhere between 9-11. BTW, your statements on Brodeur are just ridiculously assanine...

Brodeur WILL be the best goaltender of the modern game ever. Forget Patrick Roy, it took him way longer to get his records that it will for Brodeur, to beat them. Brodeur is on pace to beat all his records, and i'm sorry, That you have such messed up views on his career.

[mnlax9]

sidewinder- luongo will probably be one of the best ever. if his rebound control sucks then explain to me why did the follwing:

1.) he won 47 games last year
2.) 2.27 gaa last year with some of the worst defense in nhl
3.) .921 save pct. ( does that need explaing)
4.) carrer goals against 2.63
5.) two time all star at age 27

[sidewinder19]

sidewinder- luongo will probably be one of the best ever. if his rebound control sucks then explain to me why did the follwing:

1.) he won 47 games last year
2.) 2.27 gaa last year with some of the worst defense in nhl
3.) .921 save pct. ( does that need explaing)
4.) carrer goals against 2.63
5.) two time all star at age 27

47 games is great. Brodeur had 48.

2.27 is also good. Brodeur had 2.18.

.921 save pct is good. Brodeur had 9.22, it's almost exact....

Career goals against of 2.63, well thats ok, Brodeur's is 2.20.

He also holds the record for most 30+ win seasons in a row, and most 40+ win seasons.


But brodeur had 12 SO's last year... has a Calder, 4 Jennings, and 2 Vezinas. Not to mention his stanley cups.


I rest my case.

[flyersrule9733]

and luongo played on that terrible florida team forever and played great despite the rest of the team sucking. he had so many shots on him.

u cant compare careers because brodeur is older and luongo got his first chance on a real team last year and played amazing

[laxgoalieking]

i cheer for the leafs and like every leaf fan, i think they suck.

Luongo played for the florida panthers...........i rest my case.

He deserved to win mvp last year but some wimp named sydney got it. Really he has done the most with absolute crap, Unlike brouder he has never played a team that set up a defence wall in front of him. Instead he had 5 pilons in florida and some weak swedish twins in vancouver. I believe luongo has faced the most 60+ shot games. Brouder's numbers look good beacuse the most shots he has faced isnt even 40, even then 60% of those are dump ins due to teh trap. Luongo also doesnt allow weak goals, Brouder does, and often in big games( stanley cup final jersey vs. dallas, mike madano shot from well beyond 20 feet easily breezes through merty's five hole). Luongo Is the future of hockey and has been since he was drafted as an islander, no one really knew it because he played for such a craptastic team. But alas they are both Canadians and everyone knows Canada( espeacily Quebec) Produces the best tenders. With the exception of a few guys European goaltenders have a life span not unlike the fruit fly, here today, gone tommorow.

Meade- Its cool how you know where the elbow is, it would be even cooler if you knew how to use it. Leave the real hockey talk up to the real hockey people. Hockey is a working mans game, Knowing big words only counts against you. BTW, How many other potential less kids played for team canada junior team(AKA the greatest team in the world)? Compare that number that of team USA, then call steve downie potential less. Calling Downie mediocre compared to mccamond is wrong considering mccamond along with the 2nd 3rd and 4th lines of the senators are nothing but mediocre players. Speaking of elbows i'd love to talk a look at the Cheap shot given by the team US defence men on downie AFTER team canada scored.

In other news hockey was declared dead in the US at the first intermisson of red wings home opener, where the Joe sat close to 1/3rd empty. If "hockeytown, US" can't sell the game how will nashville, atlanta, both florida teams, sanjose, anihiem, LA, and carolina survive?

also a great quote here by an unknown man on the recent years of teh game. "You can tell hockey is the great sport it is, solely on the fact it has survived All the bad things done unto it by the NHL"

[Meade Lacrosse]

Meade- Its cool how you know where the elbow is, it would be even cooler if you knew how to use it. Leave the real hockey talk up to the real hockey people. Hockey is a working mans game, Knowing big words only counts against you. BTW, How many other potential less kids played for team canada junior team(AKA the greatest team in the world)? Compare that number that of team USA, then call steve downie potential less. Calling Downie mediocre compared to mccamond is wrong considering mccamond along with the 2nd 3rd and 4th lines of the senators are nothing but mediocre players. Speaking of elbows i'd love to talk a look at the Cheap shot given by the team US defence men on downie AFTER team canada scored.

In other news hockey was declared dead in the US at the first intermisson of red wings home opener, where the Joe sat close to 1/3rd empty. If "hockeytown, US" can't sell the game how will nashville, atlanta, both florida teams, sanjose, anihiem, LA, and carolina survive?

also a great quote here by an unknown man on the recent years of teh game. "You can tell hockey is the great sport it is, solely on the fact it has survived All the bad things done unto it by the NHL"

A- I very much agree with you on the Luongo part.
B- Do not misconstrue my comment on Downie. If you want to become ignorant and make this a Canada vs. USA thread, by all means, have fun. I'll take no part in it. If using big words confuses you, ask someone to translate, because I don't feel the need to steep to your level.

I didn't see that hit that said US defenseman laid, but if it was cheap and very dirty, then I'll agree with you. If you have the Youtube link, PLEASE post it.

I said Downie was a player with no future- I didn't say the entire Canadian team was potential-less. If you'd like to pretend I said that just so you can bust out your "[no profanity] American Hockey, GO CANADA," then I hope you have fun, but make sure you realize that I never said anything like that.

If you think that Hockey in America is dead, and you have the stats to back it up, then I won't disagree with you. But once again, do not make my post out to be an Anti-Canadian post, because its far from it.

i am hardcore wild fan. what made you think caps?


is it cause of niklas backstrom? he his minneostas goalie.

last year

22-8-3
1.97 GAA
.934 save percentage
5 shutouts

My mistake, I assumed you mean the Caps Niklas Backstrom. Thats why I thought you were either a Caps and Wild fan, or just a Wild fan as well as a Backstrom fan.


I'm sorry but there was no elbow in the Downie hit. It was like shoulder/hip on shoulder/hip. And i am pretty sure people care a lot about Junior hockey. i wonder where all the good players in the NHL come from....? WHL, which is junior...durrrr...!

A- There was plenty of elbow. His shoulder when high, and his elbow popped out. There was absolutely no hip involved.

Thats wonderful that the WHL is good at producing NHL talent. That doesn't mean anybody cares about it. Last time I checked, networks don't feel the need to televise the WHL. Durrr!

[sidewinder19]

I said Downie was a player with no future- I didn't say the entire Canadian team was potential-less. If you'd like to pretend I said that just so you can bust out your "[no profanity] American Hockey, GO CANADA," then I hope you have fun, but make sure you realize that I never said anything like that.

If you think that Hockey in America is dead, and you have the stats to back it up, then I won't disagree with you. But once again, do not make my post out to be an Anti-Canadian post, because its far from it.

A- There was plenty of elbow. His shoulder when high, and his elbow popped out. There was absolutely no hip involved.

Thats wonderful that the WHL is good at producing NHL talent. That doesn't mean anybody cares about it. Last time I checked, networks don't feel the need to televise the WHL. Durrr!

Downie... no future? Hahahaha. He has a big future in the NHL, if the league would stop trying to punish every amazing hit that happens. The NHL is trying to turn hockey into an American friendly spectator sport. Basically they are wussifying the league to appeal to Americans.

Hockey in America is not dead but it is hanging onto it's only lifeline, Minnesota/North Dakota. But how come almost every American Franchise is losing money consistently every year? There are 10 too many teams in the NHL, all of which are in places in the USA where hockey is not the dominant sport. Last year, (Anaheim) they interviewed people before the Stanley Cup game, and 9/10 interviewed said they weren't going to watch the game because it didn't matter. One guy said he was going surfing instead, another said he was going to go rent a movie... uhhh.....what? Yeah hockey is dead in the USA, south of Minnesota. In fact Minnesota is so unlike the rest of America, it is really more Canadian than anything.

Plenty of Elbow on the Downie hit...? absolutely not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=322zqTkL0-c

The only elbow contact was after they were both in the air and on the way towards the ground. Albeit, Downie did jump a little and could have been sent to the box with either boarding or charging ,considering he came from center ice. Maybe even intent to injure, but 20 game suspension is an absolute outrage. Hits like that are part of the game. Nobody was all uptight about hits like that when he was doing it to the Russians or Americans at WJHC. People were even applauding it. It was an amazing hit. Period. Don't get me wrong though, Downie is an absolute [no profanity] disturber. Fighting in practice, you name it, yelling at refs, whatever... he is a jerk.

Your statement on the WHL is completely untrue. Maybe in the USA they don't televise WHL. Which goes to show you that the sport isn't very important and hockey must be dead in america if they can't support it. In Canada several stations televise it, Sportsnet does all the time. Every Oil Kings, Hitmen, Red deer, Medicine hat, Lloydminister, all the games are televised. ShawTV televise every Wheat kings game. Almost every local station shows the closest teams home games. Trust me, there is coverage.

Durrrr... there only isn't coverage where the market won't support it, so if there isn't coverage near you, apparently hockey is dead where you live.

And don't try to say "it's cause we don't have a team", Because if you don't have a team, there is a reason.... oh yeah, you can't support even a junior team? hockey must be dying in the states.

[mnlax9]

47 games is great. Brodeur had 48.

2.27 is also good. Brodeur had 2.18.

.921 save pct is good. Brodeur had 9.22, it's almost exact....

Career goals against of 2.63, well thats ok, Brodeur's is 2.20.

He also holds the record for most 30+ win seasons in a row, and most 40+ win seasons.


But brodeur had 12 SO's last year... has a Calder, 4 Jennings, and 2 Vezinas. Not to mention his stanley cups.


I rest my case.

ok i never said he was better than brodeur i just said that luongo is reall really good at hockey

[laxgoalieking]

Downie... no future? Hahahaha. He has a big future in the NHL, if the league would stop trying to punish every amazing hit that happens. The NHL is trying to turn hockey into an American friendly spectator sport. Basically they are wussifying the league to appeal to Americans.

Hockey in America is not dead but it is hanging onto it's only lifeline, Minnesota/North Dakota. But how come almost every American Franchise is losing money consistently every year? There are 10 too many teams in the NHL, all of which are in places in the USA where hockey is not the dominant sport. Last year, (Anaheim) they interviewed people before the Stanley Cup game, and 9/10 interviewed said they weren't going to watch the game because it didn't matter. One guy said he was going surfing instead, another said he was going to go rent a movie... uhhh.....what? Yeah hockey is dead in the USA, south of Minnesota. In fact Minnesota is so unlike the rest of America, it is really more Canadian than anything.

Plenty of Elbow on the Downie hit...? absolutely not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=322zqTkL0-c

The only elbow contact was after they were both in the air and on the way towards the ground. Albeit, Downie did jump a little and could have been sent to the box with either boarding or charging ,considering he came from center ice. Maybe even intent to injure, but 20 game suspension is an absolute outrage. Hits like that are part of the game. Nobody was all uptight about hits like that when he was doing it to the Russians or Americans at WJHC. People were even applauding it. It was an amazing hit. Period. Don't get me wrong though, Downie is an absolute [no profanity] disturber. Fighting in practice, you name it, yelling at refs, whatever... he is a jerk.

Your statement on the WHL is completely untrue. Maybe in the USA they don't televise WHL. Which goes to show you that the sport isn't very important and hockey must be dead in america if they can't support it. In Canada several stations televise it, Sportsnet does all the time. Every Oil Kings, Hitmen, Red deer, Medicine hat, Lloydminister, all the games are televised. ShawTV televise every Wheat kings game. Almost every local station shows the closest teams home games. Trust me, there is coverage.

Durrrr... there only isn't coverage where the market won't support it, so if there isn't coverage near you, apparently hockey is dead where you live.

And don't try to say "it's cause we don't have a team", Because if you don't have a team, there is a reason.... oh yeah, you can't support even a junior team? hockey must be dying in the states.


Scorch, Double Schorch, and POW - corner gas reference

Jack Johnson dirties Downie. Why a love tap and a "hey hows your momma".

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sf5SanphHBo

Want proof the US doesnt care about hockey out side of north dakota and mini? the joe in detroit sat 1/3 empty for HOME OPENER of teh Detroit Red Wings, this is no start up franchise the bibble belt, its an original six team(The original six are the first six teams in the NHL).


Of course junior hockey isnt televised in the US, there arent even Good leagues in the US. You will never hear a kid say"oh yah im playing the New york state junior league, yup gonna go from their to the show".

[stinisonfire]

Two things:

Quit flaming and attacking each other. We're here to discuss hockey and what the scores are, not the competency of someone based on their opinion. Otherwise this thread will be closed until you can chill out.

Wasn't it hockey a few years ago where they had on a preshow for some horse race instead of showing some playoff overtime?

[Brandon303]

I was watching the Sens/Rangers game last night and on Coaches Corner, King Don said it was a dirty hit and Downie should have received 30 games.

Now, I'm not some mindless follower but most of the nation is (especially with Don Cherry) so I'd say if 70+ year old Don Cherry (who played and coached old school hockey) thinks it's a dirty hit then it's a dirty hit.

I do however agree that hockey is dying quickly in the States. I don't understand why there still aren't any more Canadian teams?! I mean each Canadian team has had sell-outs every game since the season started. I have family/friends in Manitoba and the province would go nuts to have the Jets back.

It's a no brainer, and if there isn't another Canadian squad by next season then the NHL will be in some serious trouble.

[mnlax9]

hockey is dying in the states but not my hometown wild.

228 straight sellouts

2-0-0 in 08

1-0 over chicago

3-2 over columbus

[CTLaxer]

Rangers tickets at MSG sold out for the entire regular season in less than an hour once they became available. Doesn't seem like hockey is dying in NY...

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

My Leafs Prevailed last night against the habs. Vesa Toskla was making robs all day

[flyersrule9733]

they need to get rid of about 10 teams, like anaheim, florida, and some of the other small market teams that no one cares about. and they need to add at least 4 teams in canada. the nhl has to realize where their market is and they have to adapt the league to that.

there are way too many teams and not enough support in most of the areas, so it has to change if they want to get some money in the league.

[sidewinder19]

they need to get rid of about 10 teams, like anaheim, florida, and some of the other small market teams that no one cares about. and they need to add at least 4 teams in canada. the nhl has to realize where their market is and they have to adapt the league to that.

there are way too many teams and not enough support in most of the areas, so it has to change if they want to get some money in the league.

Couldn't agree more.

Teams like: Nashville, Atlanta, Florida, Anaheim, Columbus, Washington, Phoenix, and others need to die for the sake of the league. Winnipeg and Halifax (maybe) need teams and so does maybe Quebec City.

[zach attack 19]

pens erase the embarassment of the 4-1 loss to the canes with a 5-4 win over the defending champs! woot woot!

[Meade Lacrosse]

Caps 3-0. Smart FA signings seem to be the key. Kolzig looks like a monster in goal.

[mnlax9]

Wild 2 oilers 0

niklas backstrom with his 2nd shutout in 3 games


I AM MAKING A STAND AND SAYING NIKLAS BACKSTROM WILL WIN THE VEZINA

[goalie33fan]

Wild 2 oilers 0

niklas backstrom with his 2nd shutout in 3 games


I AM MAKING A STAND AND SAYING NIKLAS BACKSTROM WILL WIN THE VEZINA

What about Leclaire for the Blue Jackets that also has 2 shutouts in a row?

[flyersrule9733]

the flyers are making luongo look like a terrible goalie =D

briere and gagne are amazing together, its gonna be a fun season

[goalie33fan]

the flyers are making luongo look like a terrible goalie =D

briere and gagne are amazing together, its gonna be a fun season

Yeah, I was deffenetly surprised to say the least.





Anyone watch Blues home opener.


Sick game for us. We won it 4-1.

10 different blues got a point tonight.

[mnlax9]

What about Leclaire for the Blue Jackets that also has 2 shutouts in a row?

very valid point but he is splitting time with Norena who is a stud

[laxgoalieking]

little early to predict a vezna. But a safe bet would be the winner wont be wearing blue and white and play in toronto

[Meade Lacrosse]

Whats with the Flyers and their undisciplined players? First Downie, and than Boulerice with that cheapshot. They're representing their team in the worst possible way imaginable.

[goalie33fan]

Blues beat Avs 4-1.



3-1-0:thumbsup:

[EastCoastDeft]

bruins beat LA 8-6
kessel got a hatrick. YAY!!

manny fernandez played in net

[CTLaxer]

Rangers over the Caps 3-1. Jagr had 3 assists and Gomez got his first goal as a blueshirt. Was a good game by all, ovechkin had a nasty goal. Rangers look to get another win tonight against the sens at MSG, should be interesting considering past games with the two teams.

[mnlax9]

Rangers over the Caps 3-1. Jagr had 3 assists and Gomez got his first goal as a blueshirt. Was a good game by all, ovechkin had a nasty goal. Rangers look to get another win tonight against the sens at MSG, should be interesting considering past games with the two teams.

rangers are a solid club

[flyersrule9733]

yeah, the rangers are pretty scary. they have excellent goaltending in lundqvist and they have a ton of scorers, drury, jagr, shanahan, gomez, and several others.

for us flyers fans, we just gotta hope they screw up some way or another.

[mnlax9]

wild win 3-2

[EastCoastDeft]

didnt the rangers lose to the islanders friday? 3-1?

[mnlax9]

looks like my wild dont need niklas backstrom to win.

wild win again 2-0 over ducks

josh harding gets the start and 37 save shut out


oh ya 5-0

[mnlax9]

one more thing , wild are only team without a loss

[EastCoastDeft]

guys on versus.com theres a fantasy league for free. sign up and join the "anyone who wants to join league".
the prize
2 tix to stanley cup plus $1000 and other little things

[mnlax9]

guys on versus.com theres a fantasy league for free. sign up and join the "anyone who wants to join league".
the prize
2 tix to stanley cup plus $1000 and other little things

i did that, its pretty sweet bro.

hows your squad look

[EastCoastDeft]

prettygood

afinagenov
alfredson
briere
gagne
chara
other peoples names i cant remember
martian biron

[mnlax9]

i got

alfreddson
briere
spezza
statsny
crosby
zetterberg
campbell
zubov
hamhuis
and of course niklas backstrom

[Dadabhoy_Muzzi]

Anyone see that Sabres vs Leafs gam!?!? Was that amazing to watch or what!

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

Anyone see that Sabres vs Leafs gam!?!? Was that amazing to watch or what!

McGiveway scored an ot winner for us!!!!!!

[mnlax9]

McGiveway scored an ot winner for us!!!!!!

hahaha just terrible

[EastCoastDeft]

flyers beat atlanta 4-0.biron in net. gagne got alot of shots on net if that helps anyone for their fantasy. richards got 2 goals i think.

[Meade Lacrosse]

Hartley gets fired in ATL after starting out 0-6-0.


It also doesn't help that he lost the last 4 games of last season.

[faceofflax15]

Hockey is dying..

Wings need a new stadium, Joe Lewis sucks.

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

Hockey is dying..

Wings need a new stadium, Joe Lewis sucks.

Ya it kinda does, Air Canada Centre is a beauty

[EastCoastDeft]

so as the pepsi center

anybody hear about the london premire game? ducks vs. LA and they played in london. NHl might (probably not) have an expansion there

[flyersrule9733]

there will not be an expansion team in london. it would not work. there is too long of a flight from the west coast all the way to there. there is a reason why no sport has done it ever.

there is already too many teams anyway

[mnlax9]

wild lose 4-3 last night in LA

[zach attack 19]

i must say im kinda disappointed in my pens so far. i had really high expectations (obviously) and they havent met them. fleury is giving up wayyyy too many garbage goals, sid hasnt been very effective, defense needs to toughen up a bit and be intimidating. i must say though as much as i hate the flyers i gotta give them some props. briere, gagne, and forsberg are really making that team work. eh, theres a whole season ahead i still think the pens will progress and go deep into the playoffs.

also, did anyone see that new thermablade thing? they did an article on it in USA Today. i dont know if itd be good for hockey, too electronic and all.

[sidewinder19]

Yeah i saw it, it was the hockey news. Seems like a good theory but i think after any decent slapshot from a minor midget player it would be garbage. Cause your holder on your skate is normally cracked/broken after a few good shots off it so since it cracks the electronic stuff inside is done. Electricity and Water don't mix.

[laxgoalieking]

fleury needs to work with RBK and make a pad that doesnt give up so many rebounds, or work with his goal tending coach and prevent rebounds from happening at all.

[zach attack 19]

i totally agree. the thing is that the pens d cant get the rebounds under control...i mean brodeur gives up quite a few rebounds too but it seems like his d can gain control of the puck o clear it out quickly. i dunno, i think your right though, he needs to work with someone to prevent those rebounds.

[EastCoastDeft]

broudeur owns under pressure. ive got RBK pads and they dont give out too many big rebounds. its a matter of how hard you flare out your leg and at what angle.

big bad b's beat tampa 4-1
reord- 4 and 2

tim thomas is the best goalie in the league said by NHL.com

take a look at tims new pads. ive never seen these bauers before, they're so tight!

[goalie33fan]

Thomas changes pads every other game.

[EastCoastDeft]

smith, itech, smith,tps, itech, smith, tps, rbk, bauer. ive made a chart of how many times he got new pads. hes also re-paited his mask 5 times.

[mnlax9]

rbk pads way to hard for me, i go with vaughn velocity 2's or bauer supremos

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

Nik Antropov is doing great for the Leafs!

[goalie33fan]

smith, itech, smith,tps, itech, smith, tps, rbk, bauer. ive made a chart of how many times he got new pads. hes also re-paited his mask 5 times.

He had Vaughn v3's this season and Heaton H10's and Z's if you are going way back before he was officially in the NHL.

[zach attack 19]

ooooh what a hockey night in pittsburgh! finally, a good compliment to fleury! although sabourin let in three goals he made some very clutch saves, especially the glove save on ray whitney on the last shot of the shootout.

[flyersrule9733]

i must say im kinda disappointed in my pens so far. i had really high expectations (obviously) and they havent met them. fleury is giving up wayyyy too many garbage goals, sid hasnt been very effective, defense needs to toughen up a bit and be intimidating. i must say though as much as i hate the flyers i gotta give them some props. briere, gagne, and forsberg are really making that team work. eh, theres a whole season ahead i still think the pens will progress and go deep into the playoffs.

also, did anyone see that new thermablade thing? they did an article on it in USA Today. i dont know if itd be good for hockey, too electronic and all.


lol that was last year buddy.

and its not just gagne and briere. they have been very good, but more of the reason they are doing well is because of mike richards and jeff carter. they are 2 young guys who are very talented but played very bad last year. this year they are both playing great, along with lupol, umberger, and kapanen

[mnlax9]

ooooh what a hockey night in pittsburgh! finally, a good compliment to fleury! although sabourin let in three goals he made some very clutch saves, especially the glove save on ray whitney on the last shot of the shootout.


fleury doesnt deserve a lot of compliments . very inconsistent

[EastCoastDeft]

paul statsney is beasting right now. hes one of the point leaders

[mnlax9]

wild beat the avs

3-2 last night

[goalie33fan]

paul statsney is beasting right now. hes one of the point leaders
He has been on mt fantasy team the whole time.:thumbsup:

[EastCoastDeft]

what league are you at?

mike callamari is beasting
jarome iginla is owning
henrik zetterberg is at the top

these are the point leaders in the NHL

brian rafalski
and
brian campell
for defence

tim tomas for goalie ( OOOHH YEAAH)
and then martian Biron

[goalie33fan]

what league are you at?


It's a yahoo league I did with another bulletin board.

[EastCoastDeft]

bruins got rocked 1-6 vs canadiens

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

Hopefully Toskla and the leafs can beat the thrashers tonight:)

[zach attack 19]

pens blank the rangers 1-0 and make up some ground in the standings. Fleury was lookin real good tonight, although he was lucky with two ranger shots off the pipe. I think the pens are really shakin off the offseason ust and startin to click now. that's four in a row boys...

[Dadabhoy_Muzzi]

Leafs lost another one. Kovulchuck (sp?) made the goal look so easy.

[EastCoastDeft]

bruins beat chicago 3-1
kessel got 2 goals
marchotonek (sp) 1 goal
thomas in net and his save avg so far is .977

[Dadabhoy_Muzzi]

Leafs win tonight! Toskala got an assist as well.

[CTLaxer]

Rangers down the Devils 2-0. Shutout for lundqvist, dawes had both goals. This was a key game to win to stop the skid as well as gain some pride against a rival. Also funny to note a former ranger defenseman was responsible for the game winning goal...that's what you get for going to play for the enemy!

Coyotes won a squeaker too vs the Ducks. 1-0 at anneheim. both teams looked solid, ducks just couldn't finish and took some bad penalties which while not directly affecting the score, prevented them from mountain a sustained offense.

[EastCoastDeft]

yesterday in the bruins vs flyers game randy jones hit patrice bergeron behind in a cornor. he got a 5 minute major. patrice broke his nose and had a concusion. 3rd dangerous play by a flyers player so far this year. any thoughts or comments?

[mnlax9]

the flyers suck so thats the type of hockey they need to play.

as for bergeron i heard he woke up from the hit late last night

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

Leafs Beat the rangers

[flyersrule9733]

the flyers suck so thats the type of hockey they need to play.

as for bergeron i heard he woke up from the hit late last night


yea since all they do is cheap hits. jones's hit was not cheap. it was just unlucky because bergeron hit the ledge right below the glass. they were both going for the puck and jones pushed him.

and he was awake most of the time. they said he was fine and could move all of his body shortly after they took him off

once again, if u know what your talking about, then dont say anything and dont make stuff up....



i guarantee that you have not watched a single flyers game all season

[mnlax9]

yea since all they do is cheap hits. jones's hit was not cheap. it was just unlucky because bergeron hit the ledge right below the glass. they were both going for the puck and jones pushed him.

and he was awake most of the time. they said he was fine and could move all of his body shortly after they took him off

once again, if u know what your talking about, then dont say anything and dont make stuff up....



i guarantee that you have not watched a single flyers game all season

flyersfan 1 myself 0

[Dadabhoy_Muzzi]

Wow the leafs are playing horrible from the looks of it on the scoreboard. Down 4-1 already. This might be another embarassing one.

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

Lol im watching it dadaboy

[Dadabhoy_Muzzi]

How does the game look? Leafs playing sloppy and the Caps taking advantage? Or are the Caps just playing whooping us? I know its on Leafs tv here.

[BLUEJAYSFAN9]

Well, bassicly Every shot the shoot goes in, and there playing bad defensively and caps are taking advantage like u said

[flyersrule9733]

its on Leafs tv here.

which is why there should be more teams in canada. you have a channel for a hockey team. where i live, the only way to see a hockey game is the local comcast sportsnet, and the only way you have that is if you use comcast (i believe). well besides the occasional game on versus

cause way way way more canadians watch hockey then americans, most of which is because americans most americans are taught to love baseball and football when they are kids, which is not the case for hockey, while it is the opposite in canada.

[mnlax9]

backstrom bein out is killing my wild


lost last 4 all with harding in

[EastCoastDeft]

bruins beat buffalo 4-3 las night in overtime. aron ward with about a minute left chipped a shot from the point and just got it in. tomas was in net and kessel had 1 goal

[Brandon303]

So, Ottawa 10-1-0...

Can't believe they signed Spezza for $49 million over 7 seasons... He definately hasn't shown that much potential to be earning $7 mil a season yet.

Good thing is Ottawa has locked up so many good players, we're gonna be top contenders for more than a few years to come.

T-Dot, not so much.

[mnlax9]

wild finally win

and backstrom did play

[EastCoastDeft]

bruins lost to ottawa 2-3
chuck kobasew got 2 goals
tomas was in net

[Warrior_middie_]

vancouver is going all the way this year. Plus their jerseys are tied with washingtons for the best

[zach attack 19]

what? the pens did what to brodeur on monday night?
oh. they beat him like a rented mule?
but brodeur is one of the greatest goali...
oh yea forgot about crosby and malkin. sorry.
pens win it 5-0 dany sabourin gets the shutout.

[sidewinder19]

yesterday in the bruins vs flyers game randy jones hit patrice bergeron behind in a cornor. he got a 5 minute major. patrice broke his nose and had a concusion. 3rd dangerous play by a flyers player so far this year. any thoughts or comments?

3rd dangerous play? i've only seen one.....Boulerice's croscheck. the Downie hit was an absolute textbook seek and destroy, clean, killer bodycheck. Randy Jone's hit, a beauty, but Bergeron just turned.When you get to NHL you should know better than to go in the way he did.

yea since all they do is cheap hits. jones's hit was not cheap. it was just unlucky because bergeron hit the ledge right below the glass. they were both going for the puck and jones pushed him.

and he was awake most of the time. they said he was fine and could move all of his body shortly after they took him off

once again, if u know what your talking about, then dont say anything and dont make stuff up....



i guarantee that you have not watched a single flyers game all season

Thank You, i agree.

what? the pens did what to brodeur on monday night?
oh. they beat him like a rented mule?
but brodeur is one of the greatest goali...
oh yea forgot about crosby and malkin. sorry.
pens win it 5-0 dany sabourin gets the shutout.

Your right Brodeur is off to a bad start...

Can't argue with stats though he is the best there is consistantly over the time he's been around.




Man, You guys have no sense of what's a good hit.....

You scream bloody murder whenever someone gets hit. That's why American hockey isn't half of what Candain Hockey is.

[flyersrule9733]

there are cheap hits in football every 3 minutes and no one complains about that. but as soon as there is a big hit in hockey, everyone complaining.

and brodeur is just getting older and has a much worse defense then he has ever had. its just a bunch of bad things happening at once. last year was his last great season. he will be average or below from now on

[lax_kid_22]

brodeur is now the 3rd best goalie in the tri-state area...with henriik lundqvist and rick dipietro ahead of him

brodeur was an outstanding goalie...but he is old and not nearly what he used to be ..

i am a big rangers fan and hope that the win tonight against the pens....who are too young to go anywhere this season

you need a mix of savvy-vets and young talent like the rangers have

although crosby might turn out to be one of the best players in all of hockey

[mnlax9]

brodeur is now the 3rd best goalie in the tri-state area...with henriik lundqvist and rick dipietro ahead of him

brodeur was an outstanding goalie...but he is old and not nearly what he used to be ..

i am a big rangers fan and hope that the win tonight against the pens....who are too young to go anywhere this season

you need a mix of savvy-vets and young talent like the rangers have

although crosby might turn out to be one of the best players in all of hockey



i disagree. dipietro is not near the level of brodeur.. yet.

he is 2 years into a 15 YEAR contract they are obviously trying to develop him and he is not developed yet.

give him 3 years and then we will talk

[zach attack 19]

brodeur is now the 3rd best goalie in the tri-state area...with henriik lundqvist and rick dipietro ahead of him

brodeur was an outstanding goalie...but he is old and not nearly what he used to be ..

i am a big rangers fan and hope that the win tonight against the pens....who are too young to go anywhere this season

you need a mix of savvy-vets and young talent like the rangers have

although crosby might turn out to be one of the best players in all of hockey

i will give you, that the pens are probably the youngest teams in hockey. but they do have a handful of good veterans on their team. gary roberts, mark recchi, brooks orpik, even peter sykora is a seasoned player. the atlantic division seems up for grabs, but i think the pans can at least pull a wild card berth out of the season. and sidney crosby is already one of the best players (talent-wise) in the NHL.

[lax_kid_22]

i do agree sydney crosby is one of the best players in all of hockey....but when you have vets like gary roberts making penaltys like last night when he got a double minor against avery...that doesnt help very much....i do think they will make a playoff birth again but will not be in contention for the atlantic.....and for dipietro he is still developing but i still thnk he is better for this season...if i needed one big game win i would take broduer but for a season i would take dipietro no question

[laxgoalieking]

this is the 7th year of the build dipietro plan, maybe by 2021 he'll be as good as bordeur was in his 7th NHL campaign. See if NHL GM's had solid heads on their shoulders they would relise that you have to give goaltenders atleast a year to develope in the AHL, a FULL year. Not the half and half, its killed fleury (who has always been meh BTW) and dipietro. Guys like Carey Price and Justin Pogge will be solid tenders in the NHL in the next 3 years, why? Because they were alotted time to grow and get ready for the NHL. hell price even won a calder dup. Although there are guys who spend their whole careers in the AHL(telleqvist for example), Those are rarely top round draft picks.

Guys like Avery should not be allowed to play in the NHL. We arent in the clutch and grab era anymore so these guys have no point. Ti Dumbey hung up his skates because he knew his one and only job was no longer needed. now dont get me wrong there is a place in the game for guys like Bouggart, whose job it is to protect the stars and his team mates. But guys like Belak, Neal, Mcgratton, Brasheir, and Avery who have little to no stick skills and fighting talent have no place in the game.

Bergeron has himself and only himself to blame for his injury, if your protecting the puck properly there shouldnt be room for a guy to push(cause thats all it was) you into the boards hard enough to cause a serious injury. How ever i do agree