Punishments

[reLAXlaxin]

It was brought up at my college about what to do if athletes receive tickets downtown at night or at their homes. By tickets i mean alcohol related ones, or a noise violation. I know coaches who will make their athletes do extreme conditioning until the point of collapse and then they will still have to continue. Is this ethical. I feel as though this is cruel. I am interested in anyone else's thoughts.

[teamdynasty691]

not at all. at the varsity level of wresltin in pa if you screw up and ur able to stay on the team your pushed until you collapse. we're pushed to the point of collapsing in normal practice.

[reLAXlaxin]

do you think that it would be ok to let a girl carry more than her own weight on her back up a 100-150 meter steep hill then run across and down the hill 4x.

[Garor]

As an athlete, you are under much more scrutiny than the average student your age. You accept that you are not like everyone else.

I don't think it's cruel, I think it's deserved. At the collegiate level, you are at your university to get an education and play lacrosse. You are not an average student if you play a varsity sport. Accept that premise and then accept the consequences.

Not to you personally, reLAXin.

[dta06]

Our coaches make us do either 200 yard bear crawls or backward bear crawls up a very steep hill, and normal bear crawls back down the hill 5 times before practice. Personally bear crawls are the worst. I'd rather run 50 100 yard dashes over bear crawls.

[DB6]

^dta06- Bearcrawls are the most evil excercise ever created. But it's really funny to watch someone who's really tall and skinny do them, cuz it makes them look really uncoordinated.

[WHEELAX2]

Yes, it is fair.

first off, when you violate school or team policy, you are also letting your teammates down.

you have also proven to your coach and teammates that going out and drinking are more important than the team.

it is a privelege to represent your school as part of a team.

what if the incident was in the paper or something?

you wouldn't want people thinking "all those lacrosse players do is drink and cause problems"... it doesn't reflect well on you as a person, your university, or your team.

there's a time and place for drinking and having fun...

[bigdale9]

our coach would make you roll down a hill until you threw up and then made you go and practice

[xxbenitezxx]

for wrestlign we would run downtairs basement with all windows closed with about 40 people until our coaches were sweating from all the heat they would open the windows atr the end and you could see the steam coming off our bodies

[WinnytheSully]

when we sign our athletic contracts in order to play on the team we have to agree that we are liable for anything we do on the field and off, and anything we do that hurts the image of the team can result in the loss of the privelage to be on the team

[LaxRef]

when we sign our athletic contracts in order to play on the team we have to agree that we are liable for anything we do on the field and off, and anything we do that hurts the image of the team can result in the loss of the privelage to be on the team

That I think is fine. Suspensions for a certain number of games is a good punishment. Making someone run a fixed distance or for a fixed time is probably okay as well, depending on the time or distance, but is arguable. Forcing someone to work out until they vomit or pass out seems like corporal punishment, and I question whether someone who thinks that sort of thing is okay should be coaching.

[WinnytheSully]

like an hour ago I was talking to my parents about that player bobby knight made run a bizzilion wind sprints

[coaches gal]

Forcing someone to work out until they vomit or pass out seems like corporal punishment, and I question whether someone who thinks that sort of thing is okay should be coaching.

Unfortunately, there's alot of coaches like that in Texas. Not sure where that comes from, but I personally don't like it.

[tlaing22]

ok, I'm not saying that we should be able to beat the kids we coach or make them sick or anything of that nature, but what happened to disciplining our players? I know I've had coaches say and do terrible things to me as a player and as a young adult that I feel have made me a better person. Will I ever call a kid an a-hole or say say something demeaning? probably not. Will I yell and scream and have a fit? oh yeah, I will.

We need to stop being such a hands off, make my kids feel good kinda world and prepare them for the bad things. People yell, scream and make obnoxious comments and thats the way things happen. Get over it, I believe that it was Dennis Leary who said, "Life Sux, get a helmet".

[Garor]

Assuming we're still talking about punishments related to alcohol consumption...
I want to add to my other statement.

I've been on the receiving end and spectator end of team related punishments due to alcohol issues.
Missing a game sucks, but it doesn't hit home for all the other players. In high school, and later in college, the team was physically punished for the mistakes of a few individuals. In high school, the day after the incident, we had the hardest practice I have and probably will ever experience in my life. After practice, those who had been caught were put on the line and told "If don't want to do the punishment I am about to give you, walk away and this will be over. But if you want to play for this team, get on the line and prove it."

I remember it very clearly because I had never seen my coach so angry. But it wasn't just anger, there was more than hatred.

That team hasn't messed up since.

In college a similar incident occurred. But the coach approached it in a less effective way. Said we were failures and disappointments, and couldn't believe we had done what we did. Ran us really hard. The punishment wasn't effective. We didn't want to earn our coaches respect like in high school, we just hated our coach for giving up on us.

So make punishments about earning respect, not about hating your coach.

[BurnSomeRope]

My football coach has an array of weapons he can throw at us when someone/everyone does something stupid

He usually starts the bids at 1-3 burmas (100 yard bear crawl, sprint 50, backwards crab walk 100 yards, sprint 50)

Then he steps it up to Terrible 20s (gulp)
run 100 yards, 20 push ups, run 100 yards, 20 sit ups, run 100 yards 19 push ups... all the way to 1. We got to experience this one after 2 kids left jerseys in their locker after a game last year.

Then theres the unspeakable BIG BERTHA.
Similar to a snake (running horizontally across each 5 yard line on a football field) but you do a 50yd bear crawl, sprint 5, 50yd backwards crab walk, sprint 5 the entire length of the football field.

[Coach MacLax]

If you are one of my players and commit an infraction - you miss practice time and playing time. Period. Even if you're my best player and even if it means we might loose a game. All my players know this. All my players know I'll follow through on it. We have very few infractions.